St Annes Aire (sluice facility being abused) (1 Viewer)

[Dogeared]

Last night we were on the Aire along with eight other vans, so we are obviously using the facility. Why are some motorhomers ruining this opportunity to show how we can be of benefit to towns. The other day some tight fisted !!!!! Instead of spending a pound and using the sluice decided to use the general toilets costing 20p, and ended up spreading the waste all over the place. This Is happening about once a month and whilst the staff recognise most of us appreciate the facility, must be fed up with cleaning our mess, sorry but we all get tarred with the same brush.

Please don't let progressive councils like Fylde change their minds about this Aire.

 

[chaser]

Last night we were on the Aire along with eight other vans, so we are obviously using the facility. Why are some motorhomers ruining this opportunity to show how we can be of benefit to towns. The other day some tight fisted !!!!! Instead of spending a pound and using the sluice decided to use the general toilets costing 20p, and ended up spreading the waste all over the place. This Is happening about once a month and whilst the staff recognise most of us appreciate the facility, must be fed up with cleaning our mess, sorry but we all get tarred with the same brush.

Please don't let progressive councils like Fylde change their minds about this Aire.

Why do you have to pay to empty , I thought there was an upfront charge to stay there.

 

[2657]

Why do you have to pay to empty , I thought there was an upfront charge to stay there.

Does it matter?

If that's the way it is then pay or don't use the facilities!

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[Puddleduck]

I thought the rule was leave facilities AT LEAST as clean as when you arrived.

Sorry but this type of action by thoughtless idiots makes me so cross, the whole facility will be closed if this behaviour continues and other councils will be even more reluctant to provide similar - or worse, ban motorhomes completely.

 

[chaser]

Does it matter?

If that's the way it is then pay or don't use the facilities!

I wasn't suggesting this as an excuse but I don't think I ave ever been anywhere where you have to pay to empty, fill water or leccy , yeah but emptying no.

 

[jessthedog]

This Aire is a pilot scheme to see how it goes.
It is £5 to stop overnight. Or you can have 20 mins free parking any time of day to empty your cassette for a charge of a £1.
So motorhomers are emptying there cassettes in the toilets to save 80p!!!!!
It dosent surprise me one bit.

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[2657]

I wasn't suggesting this as an excuse but I don't think I ave ever been anywhere where you have to pay to empty, fill water or leccy , yeah but emptying no.

I have only started using aires over the last couple of years and mainly in France and Spain and in the last 6 months I have come across 2 out of 4 stops that had facilities that required payment or a token to access the bourne for water or black waste disposal, grey water was free to dispose of though.

 

[chaser]

I have only started using aires over the last couple of years and mainly in France and Spain and in the last 6 months I have come across 2 out of 4 stops that had facilities that required payment or a token to access the bourne for water or black waste disposal, grey water was free to dispose of though.

Not arguing, but think you will find you only need to pay for the water side, whether for fill up or flushing , but the black lid will still lift up.

 

[Lenny HB]

Found the odd Aire in France and loads of Stelaplatz in Germany where you have to pay to empty even grey water.

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[Reallyretired]

Moulins aire requires payment to empty black waste though grey is free. The aire itself is very inexpensive at 10c an hour, though free the last time we were there due to barrier out of order.

 

[John & Joan]

The camper stop at Calnegre (by the beach) charges to empty waste. If you pay to stop it is included but you have to pay for water even if you pay to stay.

Last time we were there he was refusing to allow waste dumping and water collection unless you paid to stay the night although the sign was still displayed showing disposal only charge.

When he wasn't there he had vans on the fist line watching and taking the fee.

 

[chaser]

The camper stop at Calnegre (by the beach) charges to empty waste. If you pay to stop it is included but you have to pay for water even if you pay to stay.

That's fair enough , but apparently you have to pay again at lythem to empty even though you paid to be there.
Please don't think I am knocking the aire , just making a point about the op.

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[chaser]

Unless I may be way off, perhaps it was someone who hadn't paid to be there.

 

[Deleted member 29692]

I wasn't suggesting this as an excuse but I don't think I ave ever been anywhere where you have to pay to empty, fill water or leccy , yeah but emptying no.

Plenty of stellplatzes in Germany.

 

[jezport]

Although I will happily pay if I need the service I do feel that if you are already paying to stay £1.00 is a little high and is obviously putting some people off using it.

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[chaser]

Plenty of stellplatzes in Germany.

Maybe I ought to get out more, but I have honestly never seen one in years of touring France on Aires, is there a lock on or what, most of the ones I have seen are water things with a lid at the bottom now in theory you pay to get water to rise your cassette but the lid comes up without paying, others are little more than holes in the ground.

 

[John & Joan]

I have stayed on Aires in France where there were no facilities, but you still paid a parking charge, collected from those who parked in the designated overnight bays. The borne was at a different location and needed tokens which cost 2 euro.
You are paying to park at Lytham and pay to use the services at another location, so no difference. At least Lytham have provided some facilities.

 

[Puddleduck]

This Aire is a pilot scheme to see how it goes.
It is £5 to stop overnight. Or you can have 20 mins free parking any time of day to empty your cassette for a charge of a £1.
So motorhomers are emptying there cassettes in the toilets to save 80p!!!!!
It dosent surprise me one bit.

Well I think that is good value. Carparks in "prime" locations* are often more expensive than that just for parking so an extra £1 for waste is not a rip-off.

*It was £5 a day for parking when I was at work and hardly a prime location - just a bit of rough ground beside the ambulance station.

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[2657]

Maybe I ought to get out more, but I have honestly never seen one in years of touring France on Aires, is there a lock on or what, most of the ones I have seen are water things with a lid at the bottom now in theory you pay to get water to rise your cassette but the lid comes up without paying, others are little more than holes in the ground.

The last 2 that i have used in Spain had the lid locked internally somehow, definitely wouldn't move without paying.

The one in Ayamonte by the marina needed lots of information, possibly passport number, credit card to raise the barrier (€12+) and credit card again to obtain water and dump. Very expensive for an aire but a convenient location, unfortunately also for the local youths in the evening/night.

 

[Dogeared]

Sorry, I think the argument is irrelevant, there is no excuse for leaving any toilets or sluice in a mess, this reflects on us all.

 

[simsy56]

It's not up for question, if it's a pound to empty waste, it's a pound. If it is 20p to use the toilet, and they have used their cassette toilet 5 times, then the price is the same. If it was a penny, some would scoff at that and chuck it in a hedge! Some people are filthy, and have to beat the system at whatever cost.
Like the intelligence deficient dog owners that can just manage to put the dog into a bag, then hang it on a tree branch!!! The mind struggles to understand these people.

Craig

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[jezport]

I will visit the St Anne's Car park tomorrow and will make a report back on my findings. What I do for you lot eh!

 

[dotsontour]

We have not been to the St Anne's AIRE yet . However I thought the waste dump was not on the aire but just along the road . So can be used
by anyone . A great service to someone touring . I agree with all that's said £1 is a good deal and needs to be respected .

 

[chaser]

We have not been to the St Anne's AIRE yet . However I thought the waste dump was not on the aire but just along the road . So can be used
by anyone . A great service to someone touring . I agree with all that's said £1 is a good deal and needs to be respected .

If this is the case then I take back what said, I havnt been so don't know but the op sounded as if it was part of the aire.

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[Lenny HB]

Sorry, I think the argument is irrelevant, there is no excuse for leaving any toilets or sluice in a mess, this reflects on us all.

Very true we often empty in toilets and if it splashes you clean it up it's not hard.

 

[Allanm]

Why are some motorhomers ruining this opportunity to show how we can be of benefit to towns.

Whilst I agree that people abusing any sort of publicly provided facilities is wrong, I don't understand why people think we should benefit these towns we stay in.
If a town provides car parks or public toilets and we use them, does it mean we have to spend money in the town to show our appreciation.
By all means spend your money where you stay if you are minded to, but it should never be a condition of visiting somewhere.

 

[jessthedog]

Very true we often empty in toilets and if it splashes you clean it up it's not hard.

Would you use the toilet, if the authorities have provided a perfectly functioning Elsan point, but it would cost you 80p more?
Im assuming you empty in the toilets because there arent any suitable facilities when you are free parking.

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[Deleted member 29692]

Whilst I agree that people abusing any sort of publicly provided facilities is wrong, I don't understand why people think we should benefit these towns we stay in.
If a town provides car parks or public toilets and we use them, does it mean we have to spend money in the town to show our appreciation.
By all means spend your money where you stay if you are minded to, but it should never be a condition of visiting somewhere.

If there isn't going to be a benefit to the local economy why the hell would any LA bother spending money on providing facilities for a pretty tiny minority of people?

That benefit could be in parking charges or it could be in generating revenue for local businesses but there has to be one demonstrated or there's not a chance in hell of more sites like this one being developed. That's exactly how it should be as well.

I just hope nobody from an LA planning department sees your post or you could set all the hard work that many people have put in lobbying the various LAs about the potential benefits back by years.

 

[The Wino]

They ought to put the emptying point in the aire and charge a pound more for the aire and 20p for the bog and the emptying point theres no point argueing with the people saving 80p using the bog for the cassette they won't listen

 

[Dogeared]

Putting in these points cost money. The council have logically used toilets just up the road, where you can easily pull in and park. Also means that the staff who clean the toilets can do the sluice at the same time. We argue the toss about 20p vs £1.00. How many of us would clean the toilets for the wages they are on.

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