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Puddleduck

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Our van is rated at 3650 kg so the lower speed limits apply. In England and Wales I believe these are 50, 60, 60 but in Scotland and NI the 40,50,60 still applies. Please correct me if I am wrong :)

Does anyone have stickers on the back of their van similar to those seen on HGVs? and what do you do about the different limits?
 
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If you're registered as a motor caravan then in the UK the speed limit is dependant on your unladen weight and not your rated weight (unless you use it to carry goods, as a workshop, or storage in which case even if registered as a motor caravan the goods vehicles limits will apply).

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

so you'll either be 60, 70, 70 or 50, 60, 70 if you're registered as a motor caravan and only use as such.
 
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The definitive answer here - motorhomes are now specified!!! :) and it's now to do with UNladen weight

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

Ooh - snap! :LOL:

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It says in the information that came with the van that it should not be driven at speeds more than 60mph.

We also carry things for my business when we are away so I can post to customers. By the strict letter of the law I am guessing that is goods for sale - even though they take less room than a small child's shoe box and weigh about the same. The insurance company do know.

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It says in the information that came with the van that it should not be driven at speeds more than 60mph.
Isn't that very unusual?
We also carry things for my business when we are away so I can post to customers. By the strict letter of the law I am guessing that is goods for sale - even though they take less room than a small child's shoe box and weigh about the same.
I guess technically you're right, & if you've informed your insurance then I suppose you've conceded the point so should apply ALL rules as a goods vehicle. [Unless you give the stuff to somebody else to post???]
Does anyone have stickers on the back of their van similar to those seen on HGVs?
No, but often thought it might be helpful when I don't want to irritate other drivers.
what do you do about the different limits?
Stick to 'em? - I'm guessing this isn't what you meant though.....
 
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Our van is rated at 3650 kg so the lower speed limits apply. In England and Wales I believe these are 50, 60, 60 but in Scotland and NI the 40,50,60 still applies. Please correct me if I am wrong :)

Does anyone have stickers on the back of their van similar to those seen on HGVs? and what do you do about the different limits?
I have one on the back of mine, say's this vehicle is limited to 150mph :)

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Isn't that very unusual?

I guess technically you're right, & if you've informed your insurance then I suppose you've conceded the point so should apply ALL rules as a goods vehicle. [Unless you give the stuff to somebody else to post???]

No, but often thought it might be helpful when I don't want to irritate other drivers.

Stick to 'em? - I'm guessing this isn't what you meant though.....
If by the fact the fact that you are going to irritate other road users by sticking to the speed limit of your vehicle, a little (or even a flashing sign) will not make them less irritable
 
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Our van is rated at 3650 kg so the lower speed limits apply. In England and Wales I believe these are 50, 60, 60 but in Scotland and NI the 40,50,60 still applies. Please correct me if I am wrong :)

Does anyone have stickers on the back of their van similar to those seen on HGVs? and what do you do about the different limits?

You say 50, 60, 60. But assuming your unladen weight is in excess of 3.05t, then I think it's 50, 60 and 70 on motorways, ie, you can still do 70 on Motorways.
 
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You say 50, 60, 60. But assuming your unladen weight is in excess of 3.05t, then I think it's 50, 60 and 70 on motorways, ie, you can still do 70 on Motorways.

50, 60, 70 in England but different in Scotland and NI.

I do wonder why the book says a maximum of 60 mph, and how many people would actually read the book! It is a Fiat.

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You say 50, 60, 60. But assuming your unladen weight is in excess of 3.05t, then I think it's 50, 60 and 70 on motorways, ie, you can still do 70 on Motorways.

Nigel,

The OP has already said that his Unladen Mass is 2939Kgs.
Therefore, he has the same limits as a car doesn't he.?
 

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but remember thats only the max speed . its not compulsary to do it .
you can drive slower and enjoy the scenery.
its not how long does it take to get there .
its how long can we take to get there.
might never get there . hee hee

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Isn't that very unusual?

I guess technically you're right, & if you've informed your insurance then I suppose you've conceded the point so should apply ALL rules as a goods vehicle. [Unless you give the stuff to somebody else to post???]

No, but often thought it might be helpful when I don't want to irritate other drivers.

Stick to 'em? - I'm guessing this isn't what you meant though.....

My understanding is that the vehicle in a motor home and the relevant speed limits apply. It is quite normal to add to the insurance "use in connection with your business" ( with some exceptions like commercial travelling etc). This is something I have done in the past when carrying tools and or equipment I used for my job

Cheers

Trevor
 

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What confuses me here is that I've never heard of any difference in speed limits for Scotland or Norther Ireland? There is a difference in drink driving limits, but as far as I know speed limits are "National".
 
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What confuses me here is that I've never heard of any difference in speed limits for Scotland or Norther Ireland? There is a difference in drink driving limits, but as far as I know speed limits are "National".

I think it's only applicable for goods vehicles over 7.5 tonnes looking at the https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits guidance which gives different limits for England and Wales and then Scotland. NI isn't mentioned so not sure what the deal is there. It would seem that when England and Wales increased the speed limit for HGVs Scotland didn't. Good job I only drive up to 7.5 tonnes - I thought it had changed everywhere.

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I think it's only applicable for goods vehicles over 7.5 tonnes looking at the https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits guidance which gives different limits for England and Wales and then Scotland. NI isn't mentioned so not sure what the deal is there. It would seem that when England and Wales increased the speed limit for HGVs Scotland didn't. Good job I only drive up to 7.5 tonnes - I thought it had changed everywhere.

Ah many thanks for that. It would never affect me which might explain my ignorance, even in my working days in ambulance service, ambulances were governed by a completely different set of rules.
 

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It says in the information that came with the van that it should not be driven at speeds more than 60mph.

We also carry things for my business when we are away so I can post to customers. By the strict letter of the law I am guessing that is goods for sale - even though they take less room than a small child's shoe box and weigh about the same. The insurance company do know.

Mass in Service on the V5 is 2939
I hope you realise by carrying goods you are classed as a goods vehicle and require plating at the end of the first year and subsequnet years a class 4 MOT is only for private vehicles, it will also have implications on your insurance.
 

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many motor homes with a garage area are really wrong mot etc .
vosa know about it but they have said till they get lots of body bags it just gets ignored .
but could change at any time . m,bikes push bikes ,blow up boats . things like that etc all change the use really . then there is the need for tacho,s and speed limiters etc . could get exciting soon.

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but remember thats only the max speed . its not compulsary to do it .

Just back from Germany on the bike, which means I actually got to see how fast the MHs were there - 80 mph normal, some above this. I was amazed.
 
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I hope you realise by carrying goods you are classed as a goods vehicle and require plating at the end of the first year and subsequnet years a class 4 MOT is only for private vehicles, it will also have implications on your insurance.

Think I already said the insurance company are aware and it already has been plated.

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My ML is empty weight( nothing at all in it no fuel no water etc) is2970kgs therefore it is under the 3050 or 3 old tons and the car limit should apply, BUT it is maxed at 3860kgs so therefore a lorry? so what limit do I actually worry about 50mph on ordinary roads or 60 as the cars do. I go for the 60 although I do not actually drive that fast on A roads that are single carriageway, normally. I can see an argument should I ever be stopped by the Police for doing 60. Most of them do not know about the 3050kg bit.
 

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My ML is empty weight( nothing at all in it no fuel no water etc) is2970kgs therefore it is under the 3050 or 3 old tons and the car limit should apply, BUT it is maxed at 3860kgs so therefore a lorry? so what limit do I actually worry about 50mph on ordinary roads or 60 as the cars do. I go for the 60 although I do not actually drive that fast on A roads that are single carriageway, normally. I can see an argument should I ever be stopped by the Police for doing 60. Most of them do not know about the 3050kg bit.
Of course most regular officers may not be aware of this but they would easily be able to confirm it either online or via a traffic colleague.
If we're going somewhere we tend to head for the motorways / autoroute and drive as fast as possible to get there (obviously whilst staying legal)
 

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its not how long does it take to get there .
its how long can we take to get there.
might never get there . hee hee


Love that bit, and has just given me a different outlook.
Thank you

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no best use no toll roads , no motor ways , no dual carriageways . use small roads and visit lots of villages . enjoy the ride . you might change your mind where your going along the way.
 

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The drawback to using "B" and "C" roads, is increased fuel consumption, because you are lifting off braking and accelerating more you will inevitably see reduced MPG. Making use of the cruise control where fitted actually improves MPG.

Witnessed this proved once when a Volvo Demonstrator gave us all a chance to drive his truck with a calibrated MPG device fitted. Using the Cruise gave a 1MPG difference on the same road/speed. 1 MPG is not a lot?, it is when the thing only does 10MPG at best!.

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dont press the brake learn to drive smoothly .
light throttle and smile .
even many of the cheaper fuel stations are smaller roads .
plus its much nicer seeing the locals ,wave smile look happy they smile and wave back.
seems to me most on the fast roads are angry ,miserable and never smile .

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What the hells that all about, my speed limit is as fast as the vehicle in front until he pulls over.:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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The drawback to using "B" and "C" roads, is increased fuel consumption, because you are lifting off braking and accelerating more you will inevitably see reduced MPG. Making use of the cruise control where fitted actually improves MPG.

Witnessed this proved once when a Volvo Demonstrator gave us all a chance to drive his truck with a calibrated MPG device fitted. Using the Cruise gave a 1MPG difference on the same road/speed. 1 MPG is not a lot?, it is when the thing only does 10MPG at best!.

Pete

Doesn't always follow with a MH that is as aerodynamic as a brick. Mine is brilliant with the cruise control at 55mph (90kph) on dual/motorway, but at 70 on the same road is very thirsty. The N and D roads might use a bit more fuel but the fuel costs can be 20-25% cheaper than the motorways so probably still quids in. In the UK it seems rare that cruise control can be used for any decent time.
 

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The N and D roads might use a bit more fuel but the fuel costs can be 20-25% cheaper than the motorways so probably still quids in. In the UK it seems rare that cruise control can be used for any decent time.
Couldn't agree more. We've yet to get our MH but I've done a lot of touring by car in Europe and have always maintained that the journey is part of the holiday. Motorways (with the exception of those in the UK) are great for burning up the miles if you need to but you miss so much of the country you're charging through in the process. And yes, cruise control is (largely) useless here - far too many bloody motors on this little island of ours.

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