Quality built V Age related

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  1. Snowbird

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    Having owned a few very old quality built motorhomes in my time am wondering if I am alone in the thinking that older quality built motorhomes are a better buy than an expensive lesser quality but newer motorhome.

    Have noticed out here in Morocco that there are many of the older Merc based Hymer S class, Arnolds, Bimobile, Niesmen etc, Not to mention a few Tabberts:RollEyes:.

    I suppose the older mechanics are easier to repair than modern vehicles but that cant be the only reason.

    Have noticed a few on the site we are on constantly repairing and bodging the interiors of modern vans whilst the older van owners sit in the sun with amusement watching the antics and shaking there heads.

    What are your views on older quality built V a newer number plate.
     
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    Much prefer the older vans with no black boxes to go wrong.. so pre 1996 .. or there abouts ?

    The coachwork on older motorhomes is also sturdier and made to last .. modern vans are built to cost .. and to weight.

    Downside is generally lower MPG due to weight and less efficent engines, but a cost I would rather pay..

    Hopefully my next camper will be a panel van conversion on an old merc .. 207 or 307D .. but they are getting scarce and hard to find in reasonable nick :Sad:
     
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    Quality is definitely much higher in older vehicles than the new ones! If you look at something 10 years old, and compare with a new equivilent, it is glaringly obvious - That said, there are those that just want the plate and will put up with the lower quality and comfort.
     
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    I repair bodywork on caravans and motorhomes most days.
    I have noticed that you are correct ie:
    The latest Bailey series 6 caravans ,the doors on the loo and wardrobe tend to bend the walls so much that the lock binds with the door because the angles change so much.:Blush:
    I am repairing a side damaged Fiat Geist touring 65 at the moment,it seems very airey, fairly robust and the doors work ok. -- I don`t like the flimsy front side and windscreen sliding blinds they use,a nice lined curtain is better!

    My own is a 1997 Autotrail scout and seems to be built very well.
    I think modern techniques and materials and the need for less wieght and better fuel consumption all steer towards a flimsy end product.

    It may be very nice to have 40mpg + on a later machine with electric everything but i do like to relax in surroundings that are more Rolls Royce than Ford Escort! :thumb:
     
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    D not agree with you on this one JIM

    I do not agree with you on this one Jim... my first motorhome ..way back 25 years was a Glendale on a Merc chassis .. the back was a wooden frame with plastic ripple cover.. and board on the inside.. insulation was stuffed in between.

    My 5 year old B class RV .. Winnebago aspect has a aluminium interlocking frame (cage) this is covered on the outside with fibreglass panels.. fibreglass end cap and front panel plus the roof is also fibre glass. The inside has panels over more insulation.. OK the cabinets are veneer covered .. but as you know if you had say a safari trek that has solid wood cabinets and often corrigon worktops... these days there are some much better made motorhomes about.. mainly it is the price and the make that dictates the end product.. not always expensive means good. I changed over to RV;s after owning just one european motorhome and would never go back.. but as the product for the price is good.... now if I had £150k to spend I might look at some of the German vehicles... but at the £28k I paid I feel that was good for the low mileage RV I got.... look at the red link below if you want to see what i am talking about.. let it load.. o it is not for sale now..

    Bob:Blush:
     
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    I suppose it is all about bragging rights :BigGrin: ie mine is newer than yours, I have 3,000 w solar pans on,a Honda genny not kipour :BigGrin:(that never gets used)etc etc,:BigGrin:Some need the newest while others are happy with what they have :thumb:
    I would not mind a newer van simply because I would make the inside that would suit us and last a long time :BigGrin: My mate does not like our upholstery colour (red check type) but he has changed his light upholstery twice in five yrs,showing signs of ware :Rofl1: ours is still like new and unmarked :Wink: because I got better quality material :Smile:
    There are loads of old hymers around that a bit of wire wool and a lick of varnish would do wonders for but people see an old van and as such they are condemned to beginners who do not realise how good there old van is until they get a new one :BigGrin:
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    To answer you question....I would buy BOTH:BigGrin:....both have advantages:BigGrin: and disadvantages !!:Sad
    If the right van with the right layout came available at the right price, well maintained and looked after:Wink:

    I would say the older motorhomes the interior was made of material that you could screw into and repair (wood) this would allow any extras to be fitted:thumb:......Not this thin 2mm(1/32") veneer they glue to the sandwich foam insulation on modern M/Hs of today:Doh:......
    I would think the modern M/H will be better insulated:thumb:,....
    I would think older M/H with a lot of mileage on, the chassis and suspension would be getting worn and a bit tired compared with a newer M/H:Sad:.....
    The modern M/H the engines do seem to have a better economy:thumb:,
    A better engine and more reliable:thumb:....
    On the older van the seals on the exterior panels may not be has good because of the flexing of the body panels on route on the M/Hs that have done a fair bit of mileage, or those sat in the garden in the sun square wheeled:Eeek: and not being used

    Some of the older M/Hs & RVs in the UK seem to have very little mileage on them:thumb: ...some not even run the engine in:Eek!:....
     
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  9. Terry

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    I converted ours almost 5 yrs ago and have not touched it since (inside) :thumb: that's the way to go :BigGrin:
    edit only just realised nearly 6 yrs ago
    terry
     
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    We chose a 5 year old 2.8JTD over a newer 3.0 X250 because we trust the 2.8 engine and gearbox configuration as Fiat had solved the 5th gear issue and the engine has a solid flywheel. We thought the older gearbox was a better bet than a juddering gearbox, there is no CANbus to flatten the battery, no catalytic converter to steal etc.

    We went for the older Frankia as we could not afford and did not want a new one, but chose it for quality of build. No wood frame to rot, real metal handles, door latches, quality worktops and all round good build quality.

    Would I swap it for a new budget van of the same layout and spec. Definatly not. Well I would then I would sell the new one and buy another older Frankia :Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:

    There are an odd exception though, our last van was a budget van although not quite new, and the quality was good. It was built in France not the UK.
     
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    I might buy a different van if my needs changed i.e. bigger/smaller more/less berths but not to get a newer one. Motorhomes usually do so little mileage that not much wears out, so a 20year old can be pretty perfect if its been well looked after. Our current van is quite new and cost more than I would really liked to have spent, but it was there and the right layout. I would have liked it even better if it was 5 years older and less expensive.:Smile:
     
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    I am about to take my beloved 1987 Hymer 660 on a round trip of about 2000 kms... I will tell you how reliable she is when I get back... :Wink:

    JJ :Cool:
     

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    Very nice JJ but whats that on the roof? New type of satellite dish, rain collector perhaps
     
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    I have every confidence in the old bus JJ :thumb: just as you have or you would go in the wagon :Wink:
    terry
     
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    Hey! Remember the days when you went on holiday with a set of points, a condenser and a set of spark plugs?
    When we had screw and locknut tappets?
    Anyone with common sense could fix an electrical fault?

    Nostagia, it's not what it used to be.
     
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    you forgot WD 40 :BigGrin:
    terry
     
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    ITS THE HYMERS OUTSIDE LIGHT.....:Doh:....shame its not got a LED bulb in it because it whaps his battery power down :thumb: that's why he has that large wind genny... have you not seen JJs wind generator WOW is it big:
     
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