Ooops! I Could Have Lost Out Big Time On A Tag.

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  1. GWAYGWAY

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    Whilst I am considering buying another motorhome, I did not consider WHAT I could drive on my licence.
    I have a licence with A,B C1, D1, B+E,C1E D1E , FKL N and P. This I understood would cover me for all motorhomes that I am ever likely to own. However when I look closer I find that I cannot drive a TAG AXLE over 3500kg. This is because the class with three axles OVER 3500kg becomes a class , C,which I do not have.
    C, covers Lorries over 3500kgs with any number of axles that can tow a single trailer up to 5000kgs???? and any other trailer up to 750kgs. Lorries refers to the tax class ie. PRIVATE HGV.
    This seems a bit strange as I have never seen or heard about a trailer that can carry 5000kg on a single axle as most trailers are multi axle over 750kg.
    But it is the tag axle on the vehicle that worries me as most Tags are 3860, 4000 ,or more. It may be that this was a printing mistake but as I have had it since 1976 when the Green paper licence came out as a renewal for the pink one. I do not have nor want a plastic card one.
    Has everybody else looked closely at their licence because they might also find that tags are excluded over 3500kg on their licence too.
    It would take a particular type of Bureaucrat to come up with a restriction like that for trailers.
     
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    I thought you would be covered under your C or C1E

    Category C1

    You can drive vehicles weighing between 3,500 and 7,500kg (with a trailer up to 750kg).

    Category C1+E
    You can drive C1 category vehicles with a trailer over 750kg, but the trailer - when fully loaded - can’t weigh more than the vehicle.

    The combined weight of both can’t exceed 12,000kg.
     
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    Under grandfather rights you can drive up to 7-1/2 tons until you hit 70 years old.
    Your C1 + C1e covers all you need.

    Cheers. Nige
     
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    I see on there I can but my actual licence states the classification with little diagrams and there is definitely a multi axle restriction. that is the class C not the C1 +E which shows two axles plus trailer. They must have changed the definitions but does that change my paperwork.
     
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    Well no, but the Cats on your paper licence will be interpreted as the corresponding Cats on the new licences.

    So, is there a similarly restrictive Licence Category now? I think not. In which case, can that restriction apply now?

    Probably not. I'm sure if they'd wanted a way of stopping people driving whatever - they'd soon have created a category !!
     
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    The class C on mine shows a little picture of an artic. C1 shows a little Luton van. C1E shows a Luton van with a trailer, C+E shows an artic with two more axles in the wrong place!
    There are no new classes, just poor illustrations!
    It would be impossible to show every vehicle with every axle configuration on the photo license.
     
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    looking back to information dated back in 1991 it could be seen that gwaygway is almost correct. but i will also say i think it really is just a misleading picture on the info. old groupA also covered 3.5 -7.5 ton vehicles regardless of how many axles .
    it really was a cockup at the time .
    as for trailers single axle trailers are much higher rated in many cases than 750kgs .
    its like b+e if before 2013 as a higher train weight than a c1+e with the restriction 107 .
    b+e its only the trainweight of towing unit.
    the whole transport system law system is confusing .
     
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    bit small but heres the pic i found . and the cover of the 91 leaflet.
    luckily i kept lots of this sort of thing . never know when it will come in handy.
    this was at the time they took coach driving licence off many for private use.
     

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    You have C1E on your licence (as I have)

    From the https://www.gov.uk/old-driving-licence-categories website:

    C1+E Category C1 vehicles with trailers over 750kg; the fully-loaded trailer can’t weigh more than the vehicle and combined weight of vehicle and trailer can’t be over 12,000kg C1E

    The C1+E is the same as C1E (old and new money so to speak).

    The icon on my pink bit of plastic clearly shows a trailer with two axles behind the towing vehicle beside the C1E.

    Sorry @NickNic you already posted that :getmecoat: I'll just be off then.
     
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    you may have restriction 107 that limits combined weight to 8250kg .
    you may be lucky .
    you should have d1+e as well that doesnt have the restriction 107 .
    its a daft thing .
     
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    There is no relationship between the driving licence regulations and the taxation class of a vehicle.

    the driving licence regulations do not take account of the number of wheels other than for motorcycles and tricycles

    in terms of vans and trucks a Category c1 licence allows the holder to drive a goods vehicle with any number of axles not exceeding a Maximum Authorised Mass of 7,500 kgs

    a Category c1 + E licence allows the holder to drive a goods vehicle in Category C1 with any number of axles plus a trailer not exceeding a Maximum Authorised Mass of 12,000kgs (vehicle and trailer) (some people may have the restriction code 107 limiting them to a Maximum Authorised Mass of 8,250 kgs

    A Category C licence allows the holder to drive any rigid good vehicle exceeding 3,500 kgs (effectively this is up to 32,000 kgs because that is the maximum permitted weight of a 4-axle rigid

    A Category C +E licence enables the holder to drive any goods vehicle exceeding 3,500 kgs towing a trailer or any articulated vehicle.

    many, many years ago of course the ordinary car licence entitled the holder to drive a goods vehicle up to 7,500 kgs (the current Category C1)

    The old "Class 3" HGV licence allowed the holder to drive any 2-axled goods vehicle over 7,500 kgs any goods vehicle and
    The old "Class 2" HGV licence allowed the holder to drive any "multi-axled" rigid goods vehicle anf
    The Old "Class 1! HGV licence allowed the holed to drive any rigid goods vehicle over 7.500 kgs towing any trailer or any articulated goods vehicle
     
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    I have attached a copy of my licence, it is C class alone that shows what I mean by the three axle lorry over 3500kgs, I do have a C1 +E along with most of the others. My HGV licence was a different thing as it was a brown book that allowed Commercial operations of all classes of lorry, Has the C class disappeared from the system now as C1+e allows two axles plus trailer. The trailer weight is especially confusing It must be a printing mistake as it would then be 500kgs for a single axle and 750 kg for multi axle trailer.
     

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    Just send away for a plastic licence! :)
     
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    Next month your paper licence will be no good anyway and everyone will have a plastic one. Think it's about 7th June if you have any points etc they will all be online. If you send off for new licence photo copy your old one and make sure you get the new one back with all your entitlements on. They have been none to miss things off.
     
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    The plastic licence is ONLY losing it's second part paper bit , the part with additional details like endorsements. The older paper ones are NOT affected and still fully valid. I have no intention of paying them more money for something I already have until my 70th birthday, which is not that far away. There are too many cases of losing what entitlements you do have when changing to the plastic ones, ie no Motorcycle, losing C1E etc. they never give them back even when given proof.
     
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    Sorted! I found a site on GOV that allows me to see my present entitlements. Seems that the C has gone and the allowance for C1E has gone up to 12 tonne with trailer and no mention of axles at all. but the paper licence written entitlements were quite clear.
     
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    be careful though the c1e might have a restriction 107 be amazed if it hasnt.
    also if you are thinking of getting something for long term . remember medicals are required at 70 yr old for over 3,500kh gvw.
    if you have diabetes or heart trouble think about it.
    hope you havent and are fit and well .
     
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    C1 covers you for any rigid body vehihicle up to 7500kg regardless of number of axles.
    C1E covers addition trailers up to a maximum train weight of 8250kg if it has restricyion 107 on your licence.
    if theres no 107 then the max train weigh it 12000kg.
     
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