Motorhome load capacities need to improve

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  1. philk

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    Afternoon all,

    As we are coming around to changing our motorhome, I decided to bounce a few thoughts off you lot to see if i am thinking straight.
    A couple of years ago, Swansea came into line with much of Europe on driver medications rather than illnesses and this put more of us in the 3500kg load limit. Whereas for example a driver had been 10 years fit free, they could have their full licence back but not its 10 years medication free. Hymer, Hobby and particularly Carthago have models with 700-800kg load capacity at 3500 kg. But Pilote for example seem to have gone to sleep and are still at around 350kg load margin, like my 2011 unit.

    Any views on this?

    Phil
     
  2. Puddleduck

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    350 kg makes the MH almost unfit for purpose. 500kg would be the minimum payload I'd consider.
     
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    Yes, & thats for a couple.
    A local company hiring out motorhomes has a 6 berth which they have downplated from 3650kg to 3500kg & are hiring out to innocent families who have no knowledge of weights etc. I was shocked to find yesterday. They recon it still has a payload of 400kg which is nowhere near enough for a family of six.
     
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    I have to agree, I will never ever buy another van without taking it to a weigh bridge first. This Rapido 791ff came registered at 3500 Kg and it has a huge garage, the first time I weighed it we could put just 40 Kg in the garage to keep within the 2000 Kg rear axle limit.

    We do not carry anything only the bare essentials for just two of us, bearing in mind it has 5 seat belts, even though I have up rated it to 3850 Kg the last time I went to the weigh bridge I had just 10 Kg spare.

    We love the van but as it came from the dealers registered as 3500 Kg it was totally unfit for purpose as are so many more
     
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    We've just come back from a wonderful trip to the Outer Hebrides.
    Whilst there a Motorhome with a large rear garage parked near to us. The elderly drivers had motorised push bikes on a rack on the back . In the garage was a large motorbike. The type with the big side boxes and arm chair like seat. His garage looked like a garden shed , with various tools shovels ramps etc fixes to the door and walls. Plus 2 sets of full leathers and boots. Along with table chairs ,awning ,cadac and that's all we could see in the garage. It was so organised you couldn't help but look ;)
    The occupants were , how can I say , on the large size especially the lady. Infact her fiamma type chair looked like it should have been for two.:X3:
    Now they were Dutch and very nice , I should say. Otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it on here incase they were members. :censored: They weren't btw.
    BUT how on earth they were within their weight limits I don't know. They were over here for a month too. So I'm sure they'd brought plenty clothes etc. Too.
     
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    Anyone here ever been stopped and weighed in the UK??

    Just interest, not being contentious.....(for once.....:whistle:)
     
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    We bought a Carioca 656 which was a 6 berth plated at 3500kg and in my mind it was not fit for the purpose even when we uprated to to 3700kg it still was only usable by the two of us. We went to a 4200kg Laika and even that only had 360kg payload once the two of us and some water were on board so we were near the limit when we took our daughter and son in law and granddaughter to France.
    You would think we would have learned our lesson? Not likely, we fell in love with the Sunseeker 25 and have had to fit air assist and uprate from 3000kg to 3300kg just to be able to put stuff in the backbox and lockers. This was marketed as a 4 berth so would have been useless. The rear axle was rated at 1650kg and came in at 1640kg with our usual complement of water on board (1/2 tank) Now rated at 1750kg and 3300kg total its much better and gives us nigh on 300kg overall payload in holiday mode.
     
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    Well Phil
    I have just uprated the tyres to the 112 load rating, plus I fitted my Dunlop rear assistors to the rear and made up a new support position on the second crossmember to accommodate the spare wheel... no its not been replated!! due to go down the weight bridge
     
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    I must admit we never have and we do not know anyone that has been stopped but I am sure some have. Seeing some that are way down on there rear springs with scooters hanging off the back I will be surprised if some have got past Stafford on the M6 without being pulled. Would love to know how prevalent it is for vans to get pulled and weighed both here and in France, Spain and Portugal
     
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    Surprises me how little payload a lot of new vans have. Probably because so many people are obsessed with being under 3500 kgs but still want all the comforts and fittings of a bigger van.
    We recently looked at some newish Hymers and they were IMO not fit for use as they would be over weight with two people before you even put anything else in. How they get away with it is beyond me. Until there's a major fatality and subsequent investigation I suppose they'll just keep doing it, profit rules eh!!
    Especially as people keep buying the things :doh:
     
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    Same story here - read my review of the Pilote I just purchased. Now at 3850 and ok but will still weigh up. Dawn did suggest the driver lost a bit of weight but I did point out it was the rear axle
     
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    I suppose it's down to the dealer u purchase from, I was not fully clued up on payloads when we bought our first van last year but fortunately we dealt with a dealer (E S Hartley) who clearly are aware of this problem as our hobby only had a 300kg payload for a 4 berth on a standard 3500 kg model but nearly all there vans are on a fiat maxi chassis rated at 4250kg because as a reputable dealer they know that is what's required to carry 4 people
    So credit to E S Hartley who have put the customer first and I have had a lucky escape judging by the above comments
     
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    You surely did nice to hear about a good dealer as well (y)

    When we were into Rvs we went to a very well known RV dealer to look at a new diesel B+ that had just come onto the market as most have petrol engines. We were really excited as it had triple slides plus all the other fixtures and fittings you expect on a RV. After taking it for a drive we were talking to the salesman who was being evasive about payload and just kept saying "it'll be more than adequate for your needs". Eventually we took it to a weighbridge and lo and behold it only had 250kgs payload :eek: imagine parting with over £50k and then finding out you couldn't use it.:doh:
     
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    I suppose that if you deal in anvils for a hobby, or collect tank turrets, (as an instance), that you would wish to transport, then a trailer might be the answer?? Much better then say parting with a much loved and totally suitable van. (y)
     
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    yes, I have. they weighed the van looked at the plate and my licence. all in lost me an hour on my journey, but worthwhile

    also seen loads of motorhomes being pulled in for checks and weighing on the M27 at Rownhams and near Ringwood on the junction of the A338 and A31. a friend of mine who works for DVSA (was VOSA) has told me the campaign of stopping overloaded leisure vehicles is catching plenty overweight.
     
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    True, but a trailer is the last resort for me, restricted to 2nd lane on motorway/restricted speed/extra cost of tolls,ferries etc.etc.
     
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    However, say you were going to Sunny Siberia for winter, OK, the ferry costs, BUT, once you get to your chosen Gulag, you just unhitch, and run around weight legal??
     
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    Pray tell me how you could possibly put a tow my bar on my Rapido as it was with just 40 kg spare the flipping tow bar must weigh well over 70 kg so that leaves me with a huge empty garage and still about 40 Kg overweight. As I say soooo many are just not fit for purpose
     
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    Do as I do, ditch the wife in the trailer. Result? You just saved 250KG of van weight. (y);)
     
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    Now you are on thin ice , she is less than eight stone when soaking wet
     
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