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  1. lady jann

    lady jann Read Only Funster

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    is it right to ban free speech in our country as our leaders are now doing ???

    the dutch M P is another example !!
     
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    I can't comment on that Ray....:Sad:

    Do they still stand on their soapboxes at Speaker's corner in London?

    Seems there's so many laws governing this nowadays...:Angry:
     
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    Freeedom of speech is one thing that this country is famous for, however would it be right to allow extremist to preach sedition and incite riots, bombing etc. Just where do we draw the line. To my mind it is quite simple we don't. Let them say what they like treason is still punishable by the death penalty, that should take care of that. Certain crimes cannot be ignored under the freedom of speech banner. I think the government it crap but will vote to change them not blow the buggers up. What say you?
     
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    As I understand it he is being denied entry for his racist and anti Muslim views designed to inspire hatred and stir up trouble..

    Ask yourself this question, if Hitler was alive and arrived at Heathrow spouting anti Semitism would we let him in, do we not learn from history ?

    Freedom of speech .. yes, freedom to incite riots .. no. Freedom to break the law. NO
     
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    If the UK authorities can bar this Dutch MP from gaining entry to Britain under European Union Law (Public Security).

    Then why on earth can they not stop the "hundreds" of criminals wanted for serious crimes throughout Europe from entering the UK as well under the same Public Security heading.

    Even when they get here they are allowed to stay until their appeal is heard and that can take years. In the meantime they are allowed "out on bail" to surrender under their own recognisance when required to do so at a later date.

    Only in Britain...............I despair!
     
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    No it's very wrong..... unless your a extremist islamist, in that case we will let you preach your twisted ideoligy in our streets, meeting houses, mosks, because we the modern world have moved on into the 21st century and we have a democracy and free speech for some.

    His movie only shows up the obvious threat we all face from these nutters, the gov' should be rightly worried that it would stir up racial tension, so will the gov, be doing anything to tighten up immigration control , border control, islamists spouting their anti semetic hatred and threats NO. not untill something god awful happens.

    Protect Our Freedom, springs to mind.
     
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    It was another beautiful, sunny day here in Portugal. What a lovely, happy life we can have in our motorhomes if we don't let ourselves get all wound up about things we don't like but that we aren't actually going to do anything about...
     
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    yeah silly me, so if i stick me head in the sand will it go away.:RollEyes: er no cause one day you'll have to face up to it.
     
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    Anyone spouting crap to insite violence should not be allowed in to the country.. Equally his own country should disallow him as an MP

    But whatever made you think you have freedom of speach in the UK ?
    There has NEVER been freedom of speach in this country ( unless what your saying either falls in line with the Brown stains thinking ( as in the PM's throughout the ages ! ) or is considered so daft that no one would listen anyway !!

    A few short years ago an editor of one of the more umm.. lets say aggressively micky taking journals got three years ( he did two ) for allowing anti govt articles to be published !
    CPS said the articles were subversive.. Yer right !!
     
  11. michaelc

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    The mans got a point, just walk around bradford, its not the England I knew.
    michael
     
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    I agree. With every Right comes a Responsibility. If there is a right to free expression then that right must be used within the law.

    Where politicians have got it wrong over the years is not to be even-handed. They need to bar entry to all who would spread racial/religious intolerence regardless of who they are, where they come from or the root of their views.

    Graham
     
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    The Derbyshire village in which I grew up is "not the England I knew" either. The undeveloped fields where we played and the country way of life were changed forever back in the 1960s.

    Reason for the change? Overspill estates to replace some of the slums of Manchester and provide somewhere decent to live for thousands of people.

    Change can have its downside as well as its advantages. It is up to all of us who are reponsible members of society to do everything we can to minimise the former and promote the latter.

    Graham
     
  14. michaelc

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    The slums of manchester have returned, along with the slums of Bristol and other large cities, In fact I don,t think they ever went away.
    I still believe this man had a point and it should of been OUR right to say yes or no he was right or wrong in his views.
    michael
     
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    The problem I have with the MPs is that they think that we elect them to lead us but I thought that we elect them to represent us. Unfortunatly they are to busy doing what they want to do either for this country. And if Mr Wilders is talking rubbish then I would have thought it better to allow him into Britain and defeat him in open debate than to take the cowards way out and simply ban him.
     
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    I have watched the film and listened to the interviews and I admit that I can not vouch for translations of the Ko'ran but I do not doubt that they are mainly correct. Therefore I agree with the principle of what the Dutch is saying.

    I am convinced as soon as one of these extremist countrys/groups get there hands on a nuke they will use it.

    Doug...
     
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    I agree with that ..

    Since I first posted I have now had a chance to watch the video and several interviews, read his web site, watched Question Time and heard quite a few commentators on the radio .. .. what he has to say makes a lot of sense and a debate about it is needed in this country.
    I now think it was wrong to ban him.. but the ban may have served his purpose better. It's certainly got a lot of people talking about the issues.
     
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    This Dutch MP (Mr Wilders) is elected lawfully in the Netherlands. As far as I now, he is not a racist nor a nazi. The only thing he did was a warning that fundamentalist moslims
    missuse the coran to destabilize our governments and christian culture. In his film he only quotes verses from the coran and links them to moslim-inspired terrorism. Islamic lobby in the UK brought the government that far to deny him entry in the UK. Is that democracy, or is the UK government that afraid moslim riots ? :Eeek:
     
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    Give the man a pat on the back..:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:
     
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