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  1. Figaro

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    I`ve not sat in a Kayak for donkeys years but before I had the Moho a few years ago I was up near Loch Rannock for work and was overwhelmed with a desire to get on the Loch. It was a beautiful autumn sunny day and not a breath of wind, and as still as a mill pond, not a ripple and would love to have had a Kayak with me (no midges either)
    So i`ve been thinking of getting one for when I get that urge again on my travels. I don`t want to spend a lot in case I decide it`s not for me. I looked at @Wildmans thread on here but I think most posts were from more serious kayakers paying bigger money than I want to commit to.
    I`ve seen these two on ebay and wonder if anyone has any thoughts on them ? Both seem to sell around £100 plus life jackets etc.

    Intex Challenger K2 2 Man Inflatable Kayak
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    Sevylor Riviera 2 Man Kayak With Paddle
     
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    Not wishing to be personal but you say K2 so I assume you will go out 2 up, what weight would that be all up as this type of boat run at quite a low pressure so are not terribly rigid, we have a Gumotex Canoe and it runs twice the air pressure compared to a sevylor andca lot more rigid but more money as well. The Riviera looks a bit short and dumpy to make much headway.

    Martin
     
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    Exactly the same situation and idea in 2014 in Scotland as OP, so this year we bought a SeaEagle kayak, to take with us. Used on loch lomond and loch nader, great fun. Ideal for one person can take 2 but we would'nt.

    Bought this as it seemed compact and easy, but solid and well built. If we are still using it in a couple of years we might get something better.

    We looked at a few but this just ticked all our boxes. We found some videos on youtube that were helpful as well.
     
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  4. Figaro

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    I guess operating pressure is the difference between the cheapies and buying something better. I'll look into the seaeagle.
    just one up plus small dog for the most part I think don't expect I'd get the OH on it !
    Cheers guys
     
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    Sea eagle kayak for us too, really stable and skeg makes it really controllable, very easy to transport / inflate. We have the 2/3 man one love it but a bit more expensive than your budget. x:-)
     
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    My OH is not a canoeist and really does not like the water other than warm bath water but she thoroughly enjoyed being in the canoe while we were in the Czech republic, mind you it was 33 degrees and about the only sensible place to be.

    This Gumotex Palava paddles best with two people in as there is not enough keel for one to get it running straight on there own.

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    The Sevylor adventurer look a better Kayak BUT more money.

    Martin
     
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    Some postings here about kayaks:

    This is what I wrote on the below thread and worth thinking about what TYPE to go for:


    We have had a few inflatable canoes/kayaks and we are big fans of the Gumotex range for several reasons - the basic difference between Gumotex and most other makes/types of inflatable lies in how they are constructed.

    Non-Gumotex inflatables:
    Most other inflatable canoes/kayaks are made with internal bladders within zipped outer covers (2 in each side and 1 in the base) and the problem with this is that the water gets inside the cover (even though the zips are inside where you sit you cannot avoid it as they are not waterproof). This means that as well as the polyester/nylon type outer material absorbing some water whilst using the kayak/canoe, with it getting inside the covers it is an absolute s*d to get out again and one you have managed this, you have to wait for it to dry which can take a long, long time - I know 'cause we bought some like this and soon regretted it! Fine if you intend to only use them at the same spot you are staying at for a while but not if you've just popped there for a paddle before moving on the same day.

    Gumotex:
    Their models in contrast are much, much easier to dry as they are made in once piece so no separate bladders and cover - it is all 'moulded' together so the water cannot get 'inside' at all - they can therefore be quickly and easily dried with a cloth/towel and put away, no having to wait for them to dry or pack them away wet to dry them elsewhere such as back a your campsite (unlessyou want to). They also can be inflated to a higher psi than the bladder type so are more rigid and are very tough being made from either full Nitrilon (a material which will take a lot of knocks) or a lighter version called Hevealon to keep the weight down (called Litepak when it first came out), some models even have a mixture of the 2 types and depending on your requirements you can get whatever type you want/need, and whatever your budget allows. Quite a lot of their models can do WW3!

    We currently have a couple of Gumotex Helios 1 kayaks which are very good and if I want I can put on a skeg and also a rudder on for longer trips. I can quite happily go for a paddle for a couple of hours or more without any problem at all.
    Since I wrote the above we've bought a couple of Gumotex Twist 1 kayaks and they are very good too.

     
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    I was in the market for a Kayak recently and did quite a bit of research.

    The Intex challenger is the kind of inflatable you'd find at beach resorts - it can be bought VERY cheaply on Amazon.

    The Sevylor Riviera is a bit better but still a basic single skin design - Gooutdoors often have one out on display, again lots of deals online.

    We needed something quite heavy duty, suitable for a family (two adults, two smallish kids).
    We eventually bought a double skinned Sevylor Hudson from http://www.decathlon.co.uk/
    It is very study and paddles nicely when calm, it can be hard work if the wind picks up ( all inflatables?)
    We also bought a backpack to store/carry it in which is very handy.
    Downsides - it's quite heavy and difficult to thoroughly dry out. Water gets trapped between the skins, it takes time and effort to dry it properly.
    We've used it more than we thought and it's still in great condition. Would've used it even more if drying out wasn't such an issue.

    If it's just you and the dog and if you can stretch to the cost, I'd recommend a Gumotex too.
    They're more rigid (and better constructed) than any of the Sevylor range and being single skinned, they're lightweight, very easy to transport and care for.
    The cost of a large Gumotex is north of £500, I can't justify the expense but as the kids get a bit older and we buy a couple of smaller kayaks, I'm certainly going Gumotex next time !
     
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    We used to be much more serious about kayaking than we are now :)

    We sold our big touring kayaks and have bought smaller "fishing" rigid sit-ons but due to circumstances haven't managed to get our with them yet.

    If you go for an inflatable make sure you try it before you buy - especially important for females with larger (ahem) hips. ;)

    A few of us are planning on posting on the group where we will be with our kayaks in future so if anyone is local to you or you fancy a trip out then it would be worth coming along for a blether and a paddle :)
     
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    Inflatables are a PITA to paddle straight and really present a lot of windage I prefer a sit on top and carry it across the rear of my motorhome
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    Looks like gumotex is the way to go, I like the idea of quick drying, a lot of comments on how long the others take to dry is off putting.
    I might also look at rigids and make use of the rear ladder and roof bars, suppose I'd just need the cross sections. Somehow packed away out of sight just seems preferable.
    I'll keep a look out for the "funsters go kayaking" meet.
    Chris
     
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    Love the rack :)

    We've ordered a roof rack for the new van so will carry ours on the top. Loading will be with a roller and pulley system :)
     
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    How will you secure it ?
     
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    Ratchet straps as we do when we carry the boats on the top of the car. Also at bow and stern with the straps used as part of the pulley system :)

    I like the karitek kit and may see what they can do for us :) Lifting boats is getting more difficult as we get older, another reason for changing the big touring kayaks for small dayboats.
     
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    Just one thing to consider when transporting/storing a kayak/canoe externally - make sure you can secure it so it can't be nicked!
     
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    It would be good to speak to Karitek whilst your van is preproduction as the siting of things like aerials and strengthening can be built in to the van to accommodate the rack. And don't forget if you go down the pulley route you have to climb up to put the straps on.
     
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    No aerial on the van as we don't have a tv in it :) The solar panel siting has already been discussed as has the roof supports. There will be a ladder in the back for roof access and the roof is strong enough for people to walk and lie on it :)
     
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    Thanks, no chance on the roof of ours as it is covered with solar panels. The yak is prevented from sliding to the left at the bottom by a shoe fitted to the towbar and the top sits behind the bar as can be seen. All connections were to existing fittings with no additional holes in the van. I had to move the reversing camera and that still works fine just need a suitable light cluster to replace the trailer board and jobs a good one. The yak is secured with a ratchet strap plus a couple of bike locks that fit through the scupper holes. everything else goes in the various lockers. We trialled it all around Wales in October. If anybody wants a similar rack I'd be happy to make one assuming somewhere to secure it. By all means bring your own Aluminium tubing. I can source other bits locally.
     
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