If we actually want aires where do we really want them?

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  1. GJH

    GJH Funster Life Member

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    This thread is prompted by the one about Little Roodee at Chester. I was struck by the fact that few other councils have the combination of the attraction of Chester and a car park with the attributes of Little Roodee.

    It struck me the other day that whenever we see calls for aires, they are always for a network blanketing the country with little or no thought as to whether people would actually wish to visit a particular place.

    Perhaps identifying places which would be popular and concentrating on them is the way forward.

    So come one, lets have some suggestions of towns/villages, why an aire there would be popular and which car park (or maybe ex industrial site) might be suitable as a location.
     
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    In towns or city's or close to regular public transport, like in
    Manchester, in between the canal and the pomania metro stop is some derelict land, this would be ideal for a aire or campsite.

    Most towns have areas that could be used for Aires.

    Ian
     
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    My answer to the question in the title would be France. The problem with the UK is we are a crowded island. France has a similar population but much more space. I just don't see UK aires working in the popular tourist areas as space is at such a premium.
     
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    Just can't see it working in any way, ok if the council fork out a load of money to set one up, if they were to be free, and we say the town would benefit from campers shopping , but would it, the only people to benefit would be tesco and the like, no benefit to the town just stand the chance of loads of travelers stopping and no benefit to anyone but them.
    If they charge for them would anyone use them, don't think so unless they were somewhere picturesque but then you would have locals complaining, no way can you compare England with France, different laws and vastly different supply of land.
     
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    i think the ideal thing is just half a dozen larger places for m,home parking or one night staying . on the edge of various car parks . possibly a toilet dump with cover on the outside of already public toilet block. and a tap inside for water container filling . the tap is very often already there if you look hard . cleaners etc use them . might be hidden under a sink .
    forget ehu . just basic items that already there with a bit of altering .
    many of the original aires if france were just that . the bournes came abit later .
    could be close to recreational centers then a small charge you can use the showers etc .
    it was how it was in the early days in france .
     
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    A nice example was the one at Ambleside, no problem to anyone but the idiots in supposedly power shut it. There must be lots of similar corners that are suitable and to be fair no one abused Ambleside
     
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    They do not necessarily have to be Aires as such, I think any large car Park like the one in Chester and also Pitlochery are great, I would like to see one on a large car park in Liverpool, so much going on there but absolutely no where to park within miles of the City any of the Park and rides would also be good.

    To me the UK has so much beautiful countryside and Historic beautiful towns it's such a shame there potential can't be used by far more Motorhomes from the UK and Europe.

    The need is there when ever I go past the Roodee and that is usually a couple of times a week, there is often as many foreign vans as those from the UK .
     
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    You could start with a section in every large Park and Ride - they are in most cities now aren't they? We stayed in the P and R in La Rochelle, and it was brilliant, can't see why they can't do the same over here.....
     
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    There are two in Canterbury. One inside the city centre, and one just outside, in an enclosed part of the Park and Ride car park ( and a very nice pub), and very popular it is too.
    Cost for the second one is £3 a night and for that you also get free use of the Park and Ride into Canterbury.
    If Canterbury can do it with all the cuts in Council budgets, then any forward thinking council can.
    We used the Park and Ride 5 weeks ago. There were about 15 vans in the aire. Thats £45 for the council, some would have used the pub, others used the Park and Ride and spent money in the shops.

    I always feel sorry for foreigners turning up in their vans looking for somewhere to stay. We met a couple of Dutch vans in Tenterden a few months ago, they asked if there were any places to stay nearby, I was embarrassed to say there wasn't, but told them about the aires in Canterbury and a few other free parking places I know that don't mind motorhomes staying there.

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    We will never win this one in Britain one because we are not harsh enough with the travelling folk and the free loaders and two because nowhere is it truer than here when you give a man a pen and a desk you create a PRATT
     
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    Any idea who owns it Ian?
     
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    We are regular travellers to Scotland, in recent months we have stopped in both Jedburgh and Dumfries town car parks, where there is no restriction on overnight parking

    Both good locations, the former even has free wifi from the town (Borders WiFi)

    Why formalise it, just allow overnight parking, but with a time restriction, making all move on each day, even if they return

    A few will soon probably spoil this amenity and have already prejudiced the opinion of many who are in control of the decisions by selfish actions

    Shame on the few, it really could be so simple

    Complicating things by creating specific MH parking options (aires) in tourist areas I think will cause alienation and massive friction where parking is already at a premium
     
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    I'm in touch with a couple of councils regarding use of P&Rs in a similar manner to the one at Canterbury - using our own experience and photos of it plus our spending as evidence.

    It would do no harm at all if others were to write in similar vein to councils about using their P&Rs in a similar way, always assuming the place was suitable. I may be wrong but, somehow, places like Basingstoke and Coventry don't have all that much attraction as tourism venues :)
     
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    Why not? It doesn't have to be something formal. Similar schemes work in Powys and St Annes. Once again, though, it probably wouldn't work for somewhere like Slough or Accrington.
     
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    My own town, a small market town in an ex mining area of Derbyshire, has a castle, a decent Italian, nice shops

    There are 2 car parks that have no obvious signs restricting parking overnight, I have never seen a MH in overnight though

    Most towns have some appeal, even Slough :D people would stop because they are in the area, as in France I guess

    The key to it might simply be imposing maybe an 18 hour limit, to ensure people move, with clearly signed penalties, can easily be camera monitored these days
     
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    The official position throughout Bolsover District (stated last September) is "All our car parks have been designed for, and are set out for, cars only - i.e. parking bays of 4.8 metres by 2.4 metres and therefore generally not suitable for parking of motorhomes due to their size. However, I appreciate that some smaller versions like the older 'VW Caravette' and similar models may be able to park in these bays."

    If there are car parks that are underused, though, it might be worth contacting the council (possibly through your local ward members) to point out that there may well be a chance to gain extra revenue by allowing the use of multiple bays overnight.
     
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    it really is so simple .
    railway stations etc many have carparks with toilets all ready and waiting .
    as it is i dont find aone night stopover hard to find .
     
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    I agree Alan. As has been shown by some of our full timing colleagues, there are thousands of places for a one night stopover. What I was trying to ascertain, though, was whether there are particular places which would be viable for a more formal arrangement (be it like Canterbury or, as David has suggested, simply allowing usage of existing car parks overnight).

    We are never going to get anywhere demanding (or even asking politely) that all councils set up aires but it may be possible to achieve some success by concentrating on viable places.
     
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    Lyme Regis seems like a no-brainer - either the car park down by the harbour, the one half-way up the steep Hill Road a few minutes walk from the center, or even better the long stay one coming in on the A3052 from the west. A good selection of shops. You could wake up in your motorhome in the morning, go for a lovely walk along the beach, buy some freshly caught fish from the Old Watch House and be on your way before lunchtime (y)

    Bath seems like a good location too, particularly if the local campsites continue switching from touring pitches to statics.
     
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    there was one at lyme regis a few years ago. might have been one of the first attempts in the uk.
    graham yes your right i also agree with you .
    think most car parks could accomodate say three m,home parkings .
     
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