Full timing in Europe post brexit (1 Viewer)

[Northernraider]

Anyone know if jades Spanish passport will allow me to emigrate to spain post brexit

 

[Lot lover]

Depends your facial similarities.

 

[Hilewaychile]

Mr Porky, you wrote "will we be required to go back to Blighty and wait for 90 days for re entry into the mainland European zone that have the Schengen Agreement."

At the moment you do not have to "go back to Blighty and wait for 90 days". Leaving a country for one day resets the clock. So people in Spain for example, could and do, nip into Portugal or France and return to Spain after a day of two. You could fly back to Blighty to let the cat out ...

You must collect evidence that you were in another country. The onus is on YOU to prove you were NOT in Spain, not on them to prove you were. So, a till receipt from a supermarket or filling station, a receipt from an ATM or restaurant - anything.

The way things are shaping a.t.mo, this will probably still be the case. See my quote from the F.O. above.

As for Northernraider, it depends on the nationalities of the parties. One can have a passport of a country but not be a citizen thereof. Lots of Brits have Oz or NZ passports, for example. It gives them certain rights in OZ or NZ but does not make them Ozzies or Kiwis. An American friend of mine used to use her US passport entering the USA and her UK passport coming into UK. She was not British but held a Brit passport having qualified for permanent residency.

If your better half is Spanish and you are Brit, it will probably be very much easier than if you, for example are American. Being married also has advantages. A Brit friend with an Oz passport found it cut out yards of 'docamenti' if he and his squeeze, who only had a UK passport, were actually married.

Again, if the rules stay much as they are now - which Michel Barnier has indicated they will - you will be able to apply for citizenship after 5 years as a signed-up resident of Spain and having lived in Spain, without being subject to the 90 day rule of another country by having gone elsewhere for 90+ days.

But beware! F.O. point 3 above: UK nationals and their family members covered by the agreement will be able to leave their Member State of residence for up to 5 years without losing their right to return.

My US friend mentioned earlier deliberately stayed out of UK for more than 5 years in order to lose the right to return as a UK citizen. She did this for psycho-strategic reasons. She could never decide which side of the pond to live, was always dodging back and forth. So she decided to eliminate the UK option by voiding her right to return by staying in the US for 5 years and a bit. Yes: she is nuts.

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[Mr porky]

Thanks for that.
We would like to travel around Europe for at least 6 to 9 months next year but don’t want to become resident in any one country.if I could afford it I would buy a property in Portugal and work towards residency after 6 years as at least they allow dual passports unlike Spain.

 

[Hilewaychile]

Northernraider. As a Funster, you most likely own a MH or summat like. That will be a different kettle of fish, re 'emigrating', by which I take it you mean living full-time in Spain.

The rules here are that as soon as you arrive in Spain, having the intention to settle here, you must re-reg your vehicle to Spanish plates. Now, it always seemed daft to me, this business of the point at which you formed the intention to settle here. Lots of people come and go for years, owning property and a vehicle, and never decide to settle permanently. Or, after may years visiting their property, they retire and do.

Setting aside the various clocks which start ticking re the requirements, timewise, to re-reg and the tax which you can avoid by doing it sooner rather than later, there is the dratted business of re-reg RHD vehicles.

Re-reg'ing a standard car is straightforward. Headlamp aim, speedo to kph, homologation form etc ... There are people her called gestors or gestorias who can deal with this for you, on the inside track. My gestora is a petrol-head who specialises in vehicle docs.

But as for a RHD MH - I dunno. My gestora did, at great expense, get a RHD Transit replated. The guy loved his Transit - a plain-vanilla builder's van - so much that he insisted on getting it re-reg. She told me that in order to get my Vauxhall Movano [aka Renault Master] DIY PVC replated I would have to completely strip out the van back to a box on wheels - every year!

The F.O. advice page on importing vehicles to Spain says, in that non-commital F.O. way, "It is most unlikely that you will be able to inport a RHD commercial vehicle." Whether a MH is classed as a 'commercial vehicle' I don't know. What I do know is that the reason they won't do a RHD van is 'the blind spot' [and possibly a side door opening onto the traffic]

You could trawl the threads or ask a question on . Every topic under the sun has been covered. I'm sure you'll find some solid info.

 

[Northernraider]

Northernraider. As a Funster, you most likely own a MH or summat like. That will be a different kettle of fish, re 'emigrating', by which I take it you mean living full-time in Spain.

The rules here are that as soon as you arrive in Spain, having the intention to settle here, you must re-reg your vehicle to Spanish plates. Now, it always seemed daft to me, this business of the point at which you formed the intention to settle here. Lots of people come and go for years, owning property and a vehicle, and never decide to settle permanently. Or, after may years visiting their property, they retire and do.

Setting aside the various clocks which start ticking re the requirements, timewise, to re-reg and the tax which you can avoid by doing it sooner rather than later, there is the dratted business of re-reg RHD vehicles.

Re-reg'ing a standard car is straightforward. Headlamp aim, speedo to kph, homologation form etc ... There are people her called gestors or gestorias who can deal with this for you, on the inside track. My gestora is a petrol-head who specialises in vehicle docs.

But as for a RHD MH - I dunno. My gestora did, at great expense, get a RHD Transit replated. The guy loved his Transit - a plain-vanilla builder's van - so much that he insisted on getting it re-reg. She told me that in order to get my Vauxhall Movano [aka Renault Master] DIY PVC replated I would have to completely strip out the van back to a box on wheels - every year!

The F.O. advice page on importing vehicles to Spain says, in that non-commital F.O. way, "It is most unlikely that you will be able to inport a RHD commercial vehicle." Whether a MH is classed as a 'commercial vehicle' I don't know. What I do know is that the reason they won't do a RHD van is 'the blind spot' [and possibly a side door opening onto the traffic]

You could trawl the threads or ask a question on . Every topic under the sun has been covered. I'm sure you'll find some solid info.

Sorry my post was just a bit of humour

This is jade

She has a Spanish passport

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[Hilewaychile]

Nae bother. As they say in the Army, "Time spent in reconnaisence is never wasted"

 

[Lot lover]

@Northernraider - easier than I thought, just change to a blue collar.

 

[gus-lopez]

Apologies if I’m not quite getting it.
As a few travel into Europe for more than 3 months but this may not be in one country disregarding the 90 day registration rule. Will we be allowed into another country for 90 days that is part of the Schengen zone or will we be required to go back to Blighty and wait for 90 days for re entry into the mainland European zone that have the Schengen Agreement.

If there is no agreement then a visa will quite likely be required for UK citizens allowing only 6 months travel usually, & then no rturn to any EU state for a further 6 months. Can't see it happening but that would be the case if it did.

property in Portugal and work towards residency after 6 years as at least they allow dual passports unlike Spain.

doesn't matter what Spain says they don't Recognise dual nationality, as opposed to not allowing it. What happens is that if you take up spanish nationality you are then assumed , by the spanish , to have relinquished your British nationality. Even if you were required to surrender your British passport when it is returned to the UK they then send it back to you.
You could only be deprived of your British nationality & right to a passport, by having obtained another nationality & showing to the agreement of the UK that you have done so, then surrendering your British nationality yourself.

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[Langtoftlad]

Edit - too slow (again)

 

[romany]

If there is no agreement then a visa will quite likely be required for UK citizens allowing only 6 months travel usually, & then no rturn to any EU state for a further 6 months. Can't see it happening but that would be the case if it did.

doesn't matter what Spain says they don't Recognise dual nationality, as opposed to not allowing it. What happens is that if you take up spanish nationality you are then assumed , by the spanish , to have relinquished your British nationality. Even if you were required to surrender your British passport when it is returned to the UK they then send it back to you.
You could only be deprived of your British nationality & right to a passport, by having obtained another nationality & showing to the agreement of the UK that you have done so, then surrendering your British nationality yourself.

My son has dual Spanish and British nationality he has this because his mum is Spanish and he is married to a Spanish lady. I could also have dual nationality but don't want it as I am not willing to open myself up to Spanish tax laws and their bureaucracy, been bad enough trying to sort out a small inheritance my wife was supposed to get

 

[gus-lopez]

een bad enough trying to sort out a small inheritance my wife was supposed to get

I don't doubt it.

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[soreeyes]

When I looked at travelling to Europe after March and on leaving if you have overstayed the 90 days then you will be detained and fined and upto 3 year ban imposed .

 

[Tykatem]

When I looked at travelling to Europe after March and on leaving if you have overstayed the 90 days then you will be detained and fined and upto 3 year ban imposed .

Interesting, could you provide a link or any further information on this?

Pete

 

[soreeyes]

Interesting, could you provide a link or any further information on this?

Pete

At the present it looks like we will crash out in March which will make us third country nationals .

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[nicholsong]

Interesting, could you provide a link or any further information on this?

Pete

The rules already exist for Non-EU Nationals, here

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-nationals/index_en.htm

Geoff

 

[romany]

We still have the two year change over period which everyone seems determined to ignore and although rules and regulations will be changing during that period it will only happen with EU and UK agreeing to implement them early

 

[Glandwr]

As I understand it if there is no withdrawal aggreement there is no changeover period. We are totally out without transition next March

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[Lot lover]

Oh Please! stop worrying. There may or may not be a deal, you will officially leave the EU on 29/3/19 and there may or may not be a transition period up to 31/12/20 or longer or less. No none KNOWS what will happen to those of you in mainland Europe when you leave or who wish to visit me after that date.

None of you can influence anything so concentrate on how much money you can squander at this time of year.

If anyone cares though I doubt it, we are far more at risk than you are.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Meanwhile, in the real world

France - it appears - is quietly taking an independent of the EU pragmatic approach:

"France's government unveiled draft legislation on Wednesday to prepare for a possible no-deal Brexit with the country's Europe minister saying:"We must make sure that in the absence of a deal Britons living in France do not find themselves suddenly with irregular status."
https://www.thelocal.fr/20181003/france-unveils-draft-law-to-help-secure-status-of-britons-in-france

and

"...The contingency measures are understood to circumvent any EU failures to achieve a negotiated withdrawal and to ensure continued trade between Britain and France immediately post Brexit."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...news-France-EU-trade-transport-rights-no-deal

 

[Lot lover]

Thanks for that @Langtoftlad, I have always said that I trust Macron more than May but I could not throw either very far.

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[nicholsong]

Oh Please! stop worrying. There may or may not be a deal, you will officially leave the EU on 29/3/19 and there may or may not be a transition period up to 31/12/20 or longer or less. No none KNOWS what will happen to those of you in mainland Europe when you leave or who wish to visit me after that date.

None of you can influence anything so concentrate on how much money you can squander at this time of year.

If anyone cares though I doubt it, we are far more at risk than you are.

There is another situation; for those EU Citizens who might want to become UK Residents.

Mrs. May has announced that even in a no-deal situation EU Citzens already in the UK before March 29th can stay.

My Polish OH cannot leave Poland now because of elderly(97) Mother, so we have to find a 'work around' now in case of no-deal.

We cannot just wait and see.

Geoff

 

[Lot lover]

Sorry @nicholsong but fornowyou don't seem to have much choice. If you really feel that you must DO something move to Poland.

 

[nicholsong]

Sorry @nicholsong but fornowyou don't seem to have much choice. If you really feel that you must DO something move to Poland.

I think you need to re-read my post.

I was dealing with the ability of EU Citizens wishing to become UK Resident, at some point.

My situation in Poland is entirely different and I am handling that separately, with a window of at least 3 months after March 2019, but an entirely different subject, with a longer timescale.

Geoff

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[Ivory55]

Life would be a lot simpler if they had stuck to one passport one country. Not having 2 passports , if you wanted to live in another country you had a visa or apply for a passport and give up the one they already held. Simples.

 

[gus-lopez]

Life would be a lot simpler if they had stuck to one passport one country. Not having 2 passports , if you wanted to live in another country you had a visa or apply for a passport and give up the one they already held. Simples.

Sorry ,I'm a bit lost with that ?

We still have the two year change over period which everyone seems determined to ignore and although rules and regulations will be changing during that period it will only happen with EU and UK agreeing to implement them early

As @Glandwr said if there is no deal there is no 2 year transition. Out that's it.

 

[Ivory55]

Sorry ,I'm a bit lost with that ?



As @Glandwr said if there is no deal there is no 2 year transition. Out that's it.

Which bit ?

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[Nicepix]

Meanwhile, in the real world

France - it appears - is quietly taking an independent of the EU pragmatic approach:

"France's government unveiled draft legislation on Wednesday to prepare for a possible no-deal Brexit with the country's Europe minister saying:"We must make sure that in the absence of a deal Britons living in France do not find themselves suddenly with irregular status."
https://www.thelocal.fr/20181003/france-unveils-draft-law-to-help-secure-status-of-britons-in-france

and

"...The contingency measures are understood to circumvent any EU failures to achieve a negotiated withdrawal and to ensure continued trade between Britain and France immediately post Brexit."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...news-France-EU-trade-transport-rights-no-deal

Cyprus did exactly this months ago. Basically they have guaranteed the rights of British citizens living on Cyprus so they will get the same rights as Cypriots.

 

[Louis]

Who’s going to the Midlands Resort ?

 

[Glandwr]

Cyprus did exactly this months ago. Basically they have guaranteed the rights of British citizens living on Cyprus so they will get the same rights as Cypriots.

I think they have an open invitation for Russians as well if they can pay for it

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