Big bus man
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What has happened to the unwritten rule of flashing your lights to let large vehicles know it is clear to pull back in after overtaking, is it now illegal and know one has bothered to tell me because it is rare these days.
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It has been replaced by accelerating to match the speed of the said passing large vehicle when the rear axle is adjacent to their front wing and then holding that speed until the large vehicle has to slow down and slot back in behind the bellend! The aforementioned bellend will then slow down to the speed they were doing when the big vehicle commenced the overtake!What has happened to the unwritten rule of flashing your lights to let large vehicles know it is clear to pull back in after overtaking, is it now illegal and know one has bothered to tell me because it is rare these days.
I've never noticed any difference.What has happened to the unwritten rule of flashing your lights to let large vehicles know it is clear to pull back in after overtaking, is it now illegal and know one has bothered to tell me because it is rare these days.
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I've never noticed any difference
I have certainly noticed the difference, and experienced the same whether driving the MH, a coach, or an Artic.What has happened to the unwritten rule of flashing your lights to let large vehicles know it is clear to pull back in after overtaking, is it now illegal and know one has bothered to tell me because it is rare these days.
Not those in very recently registered trucks, as they are legal up to 50 MPH on single carriageways, and 60 MPH, on dual carriageways and motorways now.They all despise me in my MH doing 55 mph because I am going too slow. So I have to go faster or slower than the natural speed my Transit likes.
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They all despise me in my MH doing 55 mph because I am going too slow. So I have to go faster or slower than the natural speed my Transit likes.
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Have to disagree with jocks post
All lorries ( with very few exceptions) are limited to 56mph.
You may then wonder how the 60mph applies. This is because all vehicles are subject to the laws of gravity.
As it is not feasible to link the speed limiter to the vehicle brakes they can overrun the speed limiter going down hills.
In simplistic terms - The issue with the 0.5mph endless overtake is that Lorry drivers are frequently under pressure to get places. a lighty laden lorry may be following a heavily laden lorry on the flat at the same speed but when it gets to a hill it may drop a few mph therefore giving the lighter lorry the opportunity to overtake, if this move is not completed by the top of the hill the heavy lorry then has the advantage on the downhill.
There is also some variance on speed limiter settings, these are affected by tyre wear or just the way they ve been set, and means that some lorries are just a bit faster than others. A considerate driver will ease off the throttle to let them by. But if he's lazy or on a hill he won't.
And sometimes it is just bloody mindedness.
But please bear in mind next time your in the Motorhome that driving a lorry on englands crowded roads is not as easy as driving a Motorhome. These guys have got places they have to be and a lot more constraints to operate under - tacho, wtd etc.
If you drive at 55mph you are always going to be tangled in this.Can I suggest you do 60mph or do 50mph and stay out of the way.
Jon
btw Ive been wondering about starting a thread about why they dont move over to let you on Motorways.
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Hi jonegood,Have to disagree with jocks post
All lorries ( with very few exceptions) are limited to 56mph.
You may then wonder how the 60mph applies. This is because all vehicles are subject to the laws of gravity.
As it is not feasible to link the speed limiter to the vehicle brakes they can overrun the speed limiter going down hills.
In simplistic terms - The issue with the 0.5mph endless overtake is that Lorry drivers are frequently under pressure to get places. a lighty laden lorry may be following a heavily laden lorry on the flat at the same speed but when it gets to a hill it may drop a few mph therefore giving the lighter lorry the opportunity to overtake, if this move is not completed by the top of the hill the heavy lorry then has the advantage on the downhill.
There is also some variance on speed limiter settings, these are affected by tyre wear or just the way they ve been set, and means that some lorries are just a bit faster than others. A considerate driver will ease off the throttle to let them by. But if he's lazy or on a hill he won't.
And sometimes it is just bloody mindedness.
But please bear in mind next time your in the Motorhome that driving a lorry on englands crowded roads is not as easy as driving a Motorhome. These guys have got places they have to be and a lot more constraints to operate under - tacho, wtd etc.
If you drive at 55mph you are always going to be tangled in this.Can I suggest you do 60mph or do 50mph and stay out of the way.
Jon
btw Ive been wondering about starting a thread about why they dont move over to let you on Motorways.
Found it.......... "European speed limiter requirements also remain unchanged and must be set at 56mph or lower."Hi jonegood,
Are you saying that although the law regarding HGV speed limits here in the UK changed on April 6th, hence the higher limits), that newer trucks registered from that date won't have their limiters calibrated to 60MPH (96KPH), and will remain at 56MPH (90KPH) as per previous EU Regulations?
Regards,
Jock.
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The 'snail over taking' makes no difference to the arrival time, why ..........
Because of the constant poor driving skills demonstrated by these snail over takers, makes cars bunch up and not let them out, result compromised braking distances, result pile ups
Now that causes delays and then the lorries are late to the destinations
I try to anticipate the vehicles ahead of me and blend in to the situation , not trapping people ahead and not obstructing behind
HGV , they are in to win it, indicator on and pull out regardless
yeah, keep out my way 'I have priority' I need to be some where ASAP
well I have news for lorry drivers , difficult as it may be, we all need to be somewhere, SAFELY
edited to remove comment that I misunderstood from jon
I 'think' he is thinking outloud, not making a statement
Doesn't work when there are only two lanesComplaints about lorrys overtaking are pretty much the same as complaining about someone who stays in the middle lane to me, if you want to overtake them , what's wrong with the outside lane
So why do lorries pull out from lane 1 when traffic is already almost alongside in lane 2 with the clear intention of overtaking and unable to move safely into lane 3 as they are already being overtaken by other vehicles?If a lorry slows down on a hill while he waits for you to make your intentions clear, it may take many minutes and a lot of gearchanges to regain it.
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Probably because the truck driver has been sat there indicating his intention, but no one has been forward thinking enough to either anticipate his needs, or courteous enough to afford him the access to move out. I've been in that situation numerous times. It doesn't take long to get fed up with indicating your intentions and waiting for a gap, especially when no one seems to give a monkee's....................so out they come at the earliest opportunity. Those using the same roads, but at varying speed limits, have to be tolerant of each other, but when that tolerance doesn't appear to be reciprocated, etiquette soon disappears unfortunately.So why do lorries pull out from lane 1 when traffic is already almost alongside in lane 2 with the clear intention of overtaking and unable to move safely into lane 3 as they are already being overtaken by other vehicles?
I've never noticed any difference.
Hi jonegood,
Are you saying that although the law regarding HGV speed limits here in the UK changed on April 6th, hence the higher limits), that newer trucks registered from that date won't have their limiters calibrated to 60MPH (96KPH), and will remain at 56MPH (90KPH) as per previous EU Regulations?
Regards,
Jock.
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I was thinking about the common instances where the truck driver has not been indicating his intention Jock If a driver (any driver) indicates and then waits it is one thing but if a driver (any driver) indicates and moves almost immediately, despite a vehicle being almost alongside, that is anotherProbably because the truck driver has been sat there indicating his intention, but no one has been forward thinking enough to either anticipate his needs, or courteous enough to afford him the access to move out. I've been in that situation numerous times. It doesn't take long to get fed up with indicating your intentions and waiting for a gap, especially when no one seems to give a monkee's....................so out they come at the earliest opportunity. Those using the same roads, but at varying speed limits, have to be tolerant of each other, but when that tolerance doesn't appear to be reciprocated, etiquette soon disappears unfortunately.
Regards,
Jock.
Totally agree Graham.I was thinking about the common instances where the truck driver has not been indicating his intention Jock If a driver (any driver) indicates and then waits it is one thing but if a driver (any driver) indicates and moves almost immediately, despite a vehicle being almost alongside, that is another
Or that there is a guy dressed in blue around the corner with a speed camera. Happened to me last week in Conwy. I know it's verboten but I would quite happily have bought them all a drink.......... the only thing you know for certain when somebody flashes their lights is that their lights work.
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Probably because the truck driver has been sat there indicating his intention, but no one has been forward thinking enough to either anticipate his needs, or courteous enough to afford him the access to move out. I've been in that situation numerous times. It doesn't take long to get fed up with indicating your intentions and waiting for a gap, especially when no one seems to give a monkee's....................so out they come at the earliest opportunity. Those using the same roads, but at varying speed limits, have to be tolerant of each other, but when that tolerance doesn't appear to be reciprocated, etiquette soon disappears unfortunately.
Regards,
Jock.
Spot on!! the result is we all pull out safely well in advance and will not return until we have passed the slowest vehicle. I stick with what I said earlier that lorry drivers are some of the best on our roads but by lorry drivers I mean ones tugging trailers, the tippers on the other hand are a law to themselves, they too have limiters but do not slow down for corners or even roundabouts so whenever I see one coming when driving the MH I slow and give then a wide birth. The reason for their poor road manners being the drivers are told they must do X number of runs in a shift and struggle to achieve it.It doesn't take long to get fed up with indicating your intentions and waiting for a gap,
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