Filling up fresh water tank with a Whale connection

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  1. Melvin

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    On my Bailey 765 filling the tank is via a Whale connector to a mains tap ,when on site is there anyway that filling can be done from a container .Ive seen Bailey caravans doing this but when I tried doing it nothing happened . Do I need a different piece of kit ?
     
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    It might depend on the type of entry fitting you have.

    image.jpeg This one has the electrical connector that you can see on the plug and that will drive the pump that fits in a barrel to pump to the onboard tank But you need the entry fitting with e connectors.

    Martin
     
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    Our Approach 625 came with a submersible pump and I use that to fill from a bucket.
    But first you have to curse and swear at both the Whale system (the invention of the devil) and Bailey stupid logic.
    To get power to the water connection you have to go to the control panel and select "fill internal tank".
    It will then say no can do unless you switch on the internal pump.
    Switch on the pump and start again.
    Now the submersible pump says its self priming, it isn't so put the pump in the bucket first and then connect to the MH.
    When the bucket in empty there is no way to switch off the pump other than disconnecting it.
    Your now ready to get another bucketful, but what do you do with the pump as you are left holding it.
    I open the gas locker door and hang it on that, alternatively hang it over the door mirror.
    When full the pump stops, you have part of a bucket of water left, so you think I run some water for washing up and it will take some more into the internal tank.
    Wrong again! Even though it made you switch on the internal pump it doesn't work while using the filling system.

    Dumb or what!
    We had the Whale system on our Elddis and when we say it on the Bailey it was almost a deal breaker.
    Apparently Elddis have seen the light and stopped using it, maybe Bailey will wakeup one day.

    Edited to correct bad copy and paste.
     
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    Original quote abbreviated

    I think it is a brilliant system, just plug it in and drop it into an aquaroll, the switch is above the entry point fitting which is in a services locker, we have looked at vans with nothing more that a connection for a hose now that is "dumb" in my book.

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    We have this system on ours - we simply dip the pump into anything containing water & plug the other end into the socket on the side of the MH & it automatically pumps the water aboard.
     
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    Yes the Elddis implementation is better and more logical, but it does have a couple of downsides.
    Elddis have a solenoid valve in the input line so if you have a private tap in your pitch you can connect the water supply and it will keep the tank 100% full. Letting in more water as you use it. The downside is that its a normally closed valve and therefore if the tank is anything but 100% full the valve is powered. This takes around a tenth of an Amp, and will drain the battery over time. So you get used to switch off the 12V system completely when parked and unused. However despite draining the water system as best I could, there was clearly a bit of water still in the valve. Over winter frosts then destroyed the valve. Had to replace it at over fifty quid before I could get any water in the tank.
    I hate the system with a passion.
     
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    Fair comment - we never have a permanent external water supply attached, we simply top it up now & again, so no battery flattening issues, as for winter freezing issues - thanks for the tip (y)
     
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    Well I've tried all the above and I do have the plug with the electrical connections but there isn't a pump on the end , just an open end of hose.I e mailed Whale and they asked wether the socket had an adjuster screw and wether the socket had an internal yellow box ,neither of which I have .So I've sent them pics ,hoping for some clarification .
     
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    What is easier and more foolproof than a watering can and a tank you can fill by just removing the cap,,,simples nothing to go wrong,,,BUSBY.
     
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    Haven't Bailey or Eldis heard of a motorhome service point where you just use a hose to fill it up?
     
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    mines the same ,no issues..
     
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    Got that as well and it works OK I can even put a hose pipe in the hole if there is a tap handy, but that the point in my experience there is nor always a tap, I can pull a 40 litre aqua roll across a field or tow it behind my bike is needs be.

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    Possibly BUT they are not always available when you need one, or not for me they are not.

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    Unfortunately i don't have the room for an aquaroll in my small van,,,BUSBY.
     
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    I have NEVER understood why MH manufacturers use this stupid system, sorry but if you really WANT to pump water into your MH from a bucket, Aquaroll etc you can easily do it with a basic pump and piping into a standard water tank inlet (ie no daft connectors needed, just a hole to put water in!). To have the Whale type system as the ONLY means to fill a water tank is just plain daft! When we were first considering change to a PVC back in 2010 we looked at one with this system and the first question I asked was ... can it be changed to a normal fill point! I certainly would NOT buy a MH or PVC with one of these system fitted unless it could be changed!
     
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    An alternative is to have a collapsible 20L water carrier and fill that then pour it into the bucket and let the pump do it's work whilst you go and get another water carrier full - quicker and easier and no worrying about where to hang your 'dangler'!
     
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    What a strange way to fill a motorhome? .how do they get on in France when you pay for 100 ltrs a time, surely they don't use an aqu roll??????
     
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    But! as I said the pump ain't much good at self priming, so unless you can get to the tap, fill the uncollapsed bucket and return to the bucket before its empty then its not very good.
    After having the fixed gas tank installed I use the old gas locker to store the bucket and pump so its door is open. Dangling over the door works for me.
    My point was that I believe the Whale system is crap to start with and Bailey have installed it in a stupid way. Especially when the KISS method of a plain water inlet and a watering can does the job perfectly.
     
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    Me too, I carry an old aquaroll and two trips more or less fills the tank, that's only when I haven't stopped off at the service point and filled vi the hose using the plug in connector. Watering can? :eek: I'd be all b****y day!
     
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