Cam Belt Paranoia...

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  1. PP Bear

    PP Bear Funster Life Member

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    I wonder how many millions of pounds have been spent on the paranoia of cam belts. I'm a mechanical engineer so I know that they need to be changed, the service interval, the cost, whether we should also change the water pumps at the same time etc etc etc, but I do wonder if we ever get it right :Doh:

    I've a 2006 Autotrail 2.8 JTD and have covered only 13000 miles from new :thumb: and she's now booked in for an MOT, Habitation Check and her cam belt change. I would/should complete it myself as I'm more than qualified and capable, but seeings as I live in the officers mess at Army HQ, have no tools, no garage and especially no special tools, I'll let the dealers do it for me.

    I'm curious and will ask for the old one back, just to see the state that it's in, if it's cracked and worn etc, just for curiosity and then feedback here to share with the other Funsters kind enough to read my posts.

    I'm also at that age whereby I don't want to be under the bonnet of my baby, scraping knuckles, swearing with the crack of my butt on display to the world and waking up the next day all stiff in the joints from excessive mechanical exertion.......nope better to pay and let the other experts do the task for me :BigGrin:.

    So i shall let the lovely Laura at Tilshead Caravans Ltd, Salisbury, do the work for me and I can be busy marching up and down the parade square, just like a good soldier should.

    Quoted Costs:

    MOT £54.85 inc VAT.
    Cam-belt £319 inc VAT (need to confirm the water pump yet).
    Habitation Check (including bits and bobs) £175 inc VAT.

    More to follow once I'm back from my Canadian adventures this weekend, oh and I know what your thinking and fully agree, spending a few hundred now is FAR better than thousands if it breaks:BigGrin:

    www.tilshead-caravans.com
     
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    duane0001 Read Only Funster

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    Cambelt, Yes
    Water pump at 13,000 miles, No :thumb:
     
  3. PP Bear

    PP Bear Funster Life Member

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    Depends on price of the water pump and if false economy to miss it this time and wait another 5 years or 50,000 miles.

    Good advice though and I'm on the case :thumb:

    :thanks2:
     
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    Never should be that you have to spend hundreds of pounds on something that might break on a motor that's only done 18000 miles, very poor design when you could have chain or gears.
     
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    Couldnt agree more :thumb:

    chains were around from the beginning and did ok.

    chains and gear wheels are expensive to produce

    belts and pulley's are cheaper to produce.

    my Ford 6.8ltr V10 RV engine has chain driven cams....American origin

    my Chrysler 3ltr V6 car engine has chain driven cams....German origin

    both very expensive engines when they were new
     
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  6. Geo

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    John for a Sparky i have to grant you mechanical knowlege and skills beyond the norm
    And also point out
    My 6.8 Ltr V10 has a chain ---------- American Ford
    My Chryler 3ltr V6 also has a chain -------------- German Mercedes
    Do you think the uninitiated might learn something from these two posts:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:
    Geo
     
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    pappajohn Funster Life Member

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    Yep !!!! buy a Ford or Merc based van :thumb: :Laughing:

    you still in love with the 300C then Geo ?
     
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  8. Geo

    Geo Trader - Funster

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    Yes a superb motor for the money,John
    Slightly disappointed with the clonks, :Doh: after telling you I'd sorted them they soon returned :Eek!: now like every other garage it seems I cant pin point them
    apart from that, and to be fair its only on really rough roads not ready to swop yet:thumb:
    G
     
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    Why would you change a cambelt after only 13000 miles?:Eeek:
    The motor is hardly run in at that milage.
    We change cambelts at 100000 klms here.
     
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    We do here too:thumb:
    Probably for the fifth time at those figures:Rofl1:

    Seriously
    Fiat as do others recommend a time limit as well as mileage figure
    on our little roads here the average motor home does about 3000 miles a year so at 15000 mile the 5 year time limit is up some are only 4 years between changes
    weather and usage conditions here are far worse for the belts than a nice dry climat and 20000 mile annual runs
    Now as you say 100 thou is the norm for say a delivery van over here about every two or three years:Eeek:
    Geo
     
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    I was told my 07 Boxer has a chain, or am I suffering from a false sense of security? :Confused:
     
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    cam belt at 13000

    wat drivvel really mate mechanic come on get a grip but its your money:Doh:
     
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    Had my water pump done at the same time as the Cambelt and lucky I did as the water pump was weeping slightly when they took it off. So you can never say No... 2007 Fiat x250 at 38000 kms
     
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    Running a garage I’ve seen cambelts fail at 10k and others go to 100k on similar vehicles, the belts themselves are pretty much indestructible, its all the add ons and driving style which can cause premature failure.
    By add ons i mean tensioner/ guide pulleys,water pump and whatever the manufactures add on which are the weakest links. We get most belt failures from pulleys breaking up.
    Although the belts and pulleys are enclosed they can still suffer from oil/dust ingress. Stop start driving such as taxis puts a heavy burden on these components so my advice is to look at all aspects including of course time and mileage
     
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    Had my belt done last year ,there was no record if, or when it had been changed before i bought it.
    Good job they did change it because although the cam belt looked ok, the alternator belt was shredded.
    Worth having it done just for that alone, as it is very difficult to see unless stripping it out.:thumb:
     
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    Merc Sprinter here no belts:Smile:
     
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    Ummmm.. Might I remind the honourable gentlemen of the Avenger and its death rattle ? :Wink:
     
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    I fully agree and wish the manual quoted that too, but it's on a time or mileage schedule. It's meant to be changed after 5 years which was 2 years ago in my case and hence the paranoia quote in the first place. The belt would probably run on for thousands more miles, but I'm just not going to chance it as it an expensive gamble if I got it wrong.

    Just have to buy the Frau one less handbag me thinks :BigGrin:
     
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    Just found this on the Fiat Ducato Motorhome site


    When do I have to replace the timing belt/chain?

    The "for life" timing chain of 100 MultiJet, 160 MultiJet Power and 180 MultiJet Power engines does not need to be replaced.
    120 MultiJet, 130 MultiJet and 150 MultiJet engines have a timing belt which must be checked every 90,000 km and replaced every 180,000 km on Euro 4 engines,
    and checked every 96,000 km and replaced every 192,000 km on Euro 5 engines.
    On 115 MultiJet engines on the other hand, the belt must be checked every 48,000 km and replaced every 144,000 km.In all cases, the belt must be replaced every 5 years.
     
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    It depends Rolf but worth checking out.

    From memory the 2.2 and the 3-0l derivetives are on chains. The 2.3 is on a belt. I of course know this because mine is a 2.3 and has a belt. But whilst researching I saw many that were on chains and got excited..

    Ring your main dealer and check. Don't say haggers said.:thumb:
     
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