Are These Things Legal?

Discussion in 'Motorhome Accessories' started by Tootles, Aug 5, 2014.

  1. Tootles

    Tootles Funster

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2013
    Messages:
    8,981
    Likes Received:
    30,868
    Location:
    Lancaster
  2. DuxDeluxe

    DuxDeluxe Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2008
    Messages:
    9,358
    Likes Received:
    25,069
    Location:
    Planet Zog
    No
     
  3. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    28,934
    Likes Received:
    25,574
    Location:
    .
    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 2
  4. Forestboy

    Forestboy Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2007
    Messages:
    4,939
    Likes Received:
    7,678
    Location:
    Forest of Dean
    Been around a long time not sure if legal but bloody dangerous I think. No way to measure the 80% fill limit. Not sure many people spend enough on gas to take the risk.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  5. Tootles

    Tootles Funster

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2013
    Messages:
    8,981
    Likes Received:
    30,868
    Location:
    Lancaster
    Not fishing Jim, just saw this whilst looking for a two-way bottle valve, so thought to ask.
     
  6. GJH

    GJH Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2007
    Messages:
    27,233
    Likes Received:
    34,428
    Location:
    Acklam, Teesside, originally Glossop
    Also banned at most Autogas/LPG outlets so the claims they make are false.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  7. Tootles

    Tootles Funster

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2013
    Messages:
    8,981
    Likes Received:
    30,868
    Location:
    Lancaster
    Thanks for that Graham (y)




    20,001.......:):)
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    28,934
    Likes Received:
    25,574
    Location:
    .
    No probs.. I thought you were on a fishing trip, been argued about on here so often..

    My take..

    Not Illegal ... safe if you know EXACTLY what you are doing.. I've used.

    If you have to ask how to use.. dangerous...

    Most forecourt operators will stop you if they see you using.. the reason why bottles are filled in the back of pick-up trucks .. and car boots

    Calor say they will prosecute if they catch anyone trying to refill one of their bottles..
     
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2014
    • Like Like x 2
  9. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    28,934
    Likes Received:
    25,574
    Location:
    .
    Found the Calor waring

    Calor warns about unlawful filling of LPG cylinders at Autogas refuelling sites
    Posted on: Monday, August 19, 2013

    Calor Gas Limited has issued a safety warning following reports of unlawful and dangerous filling of its portable LPG cylinders at self-service Autogas refuelling sites.
    Highly dangerous

    Calor has become aware of increasing numbers of people using adaptors to fill LPG cylinders from Autogas dispensers. This practice is not only unlawful but also highly dangerous as there is a strong probability of leaks occurring and cylinders being overfilled.

    The filling of LPG cylinders is potentially an extremely hazardous activity, and safe filling requires appropriate expertise and training of operators, use of certified equipment, safe working procedures and a safe environment. Automotive LPG filling stations incorporate safety measures to ensure the safe refuelling of vehicles but they do not include all of the necessary safety elements required for filling LPG cylinders. Furthermore, commercial LPG is supplied in two forms – propane and butane – and filling a cylinder with the wrong type of LPG can lead to serious appliance malfunction and can cause safety devices to fail.

    Members of the public who refill LPG cylinders using Autogas refuelling equipment not only create a serious risk to their own safety and the safety of others, but are also contravening UK Health and Safety Regulations, Weights and Measures Regulations and Consumer Safety legislation. These Regulations impose important legal duties on the site operator to ensure the safety of both their employees and members of the public. In the event of an accident as a result of this type of activity, the site operator could be liable to prosecution. Calor is therefore urging Autogas refuelling site operators to be vigilant and take appropriate action to prevent the unlawful and potentially dangerous re-filling cylinders in this manner.

    Dr Terry Ritter, Calor’s Head of Health and Safety said “The public might think it is an easy and convenient way to top up a cylinder, but they are actually putting themselves and others at risk of serious injury or even death. Calor has taken successful court action against individuals for unauthorised filling and will continue to do so.”
     
    • Like Like x 1
  10. Tootles

    Tootles Funster

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2013
    Messages:
    8,981
    Likes Received:
    30,868
    Location:
    Lancaster
    With LPG at the pumps at around 70p per ltr, and a bottle of gas now having risen to about £28.00, (13 kg), then the same would cost around 18 quid from a garage pump. Strange, when you consider full VAT is charged on LPG for vehicles, but at only 8%(?) when used for cooking, ie, bottled gas. Someone is making a hefty buck, Calor for instance.......
     
    • Like Like x 3
  11. GJH

    GJH Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2007
    Messages:
    27,233
    Likes Received:
    34,428
    Location:
    Acklam, Teesside, originally Glossop
    Calor is exploiting what is, in practice, a monopoly in most areas. Other bottled gas suppliers have far smaller supply networks.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Tootles

    Tootles Funster

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2013
    Messages:
    8,981
    Likes Received:
    30,868
    Location:
    Lancaster
    May just go for a couple of Gasflow bottles then.
     
  13. GJH

    GJH Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2007
    Messages:
    27,233
    Likes Received:
    34,428
    Location:
    Acklam, Teesside, originally Glossop
    Alugas are lighter than Gaslow. Not sure on price but I think comparable. Well pleased with ours.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. Snowbird

    Snowbird Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2009
    Messages:
    10,140
    Likes Received:
    16,389
    Location:
    Liverpool.
    Legal....Definitely not. Desirable....If you know what you are doing and are confident in what you are doing...Definitely... As with most things in life, its entirely up to the individual. Calor thankfully do not have a monopoly on my bottles as they don't belong to them, they are German.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  15. Tootles

    Tootles Funster

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2013
    Messages:
    8,981
    Likes Received:
    30,868
    Location:
    Lancaster
    Thanks Dave. Nice to have your expert, (and much appreciated), opinion. :inlove::inlove:
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. jockaneezer

    jockaneezer Funster

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2010
    Messages:
    1,592
    Likes Received:
    3,067
    Location:
    Cumbria
    Why do they sell LPG by the litre, but cylinders go by weight ? Anyone know what volume 1kg of LPG equates to ?
     
  17. Munchie

    Munchie Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2007
    Messages:
    8,529
    Likes Received:
    11,669
    Location:
    Champagnac-La-Riviere
    Approx 2ltrs
     
  18. Reallyretired

    Reallyretired Funster

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2008
    Messages:
    5,706
    Likes Received:
    3,211
    Location:
    Eastbourne East Sussex
    Only 65p a litre at my nearest garage, so filled up, took 20L so must have saved around a £ :emo:. Not really a worthwhile saving but was going to top up anyway.
    smiley irrelevant but I like that one.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  19. hilldweller

    hilldweller Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2008
    Messages:
    26,428
    Likes Received:
    25,085
    Location:
    Macclesfield
    You probably only need one, you just refill when passing a convenient station.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. busby

    busby Funster

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2011
    Messages:
    3,315
    Likes Received:
    3,139
    Location:
    derbys
    Been using one for a couple of years. I only ever fill an empty bottle and put in just less than they show on the included conversion chart...BUSBY:cautious:
     
    • Like Like x 1

Share This Page