2023 model Flair (1 Viewer)

[funflair]

Anybody fancy the new Flair, it's different I will say that https://www.niesmann-bischoff.com/en/flair/

 

[TCG]

Nah...looks a bit boxy..But I ain't got 250k anyway

 

[funflair]

Nah...looks a bit boxy..But I ain't got 250k anyway

I didn't get around to looking at the price list

 

[funflair]

The style is very modern and along the lines of the iSmove, it will certainly divide opinion but we didn’t like the iSmove so not holding my breath, jongood what do you think?

 

[Rob Turner]

iSmove on steroids.

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[funflair]

iSmove on steroids.

Basically yes, I think there are a few good and innovative ideas though. I like the induction hob for instance and the swivel lounge seat is clever.

 

[Whizzer]

Looks great, I just done one on the configurator and it came to £285k

 

[A S R]

What an absolute hideous website!
Nice looking vans though.

 

[Southdowners]

I like it.

That said, when they advertise having a separate sink in the bathroom as being a ‘highlight’ I find it slightly worrying!

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

One of my favourite vans and for 3 years when looking number 1 on the list.
Unfortunately when trying to negotiate with the German stealer he didn’t seem to want the sale that much so I walked away

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[Southdowners]

Basically yes, I think there are a few good and innovative ideas though. I like the induction hob for instance and the swivel lounge seat

Do induction hobs use a lot of power Martin?

 

[jongood]

The style is very modern and along the lines of the iSmove, it will certainly divide opinion but we didn’t like the iSmove so not holding my breath, jongood what do you think?

I couldnt look at much detail, that website is really annoying.

My biggest criticsm of recent flairs has been the small angled kitchen, that looks to be an improvement, and the brief glimpse of the bath/dressing area looks interesting.is there much difference on the outside? I dont think so although the outside didnt really need changing.

I actually like the outside of the Smoves its the Ikea/crypton factor and general flimsiness of the interior that lets it down.

 

[andyman]

What an absolute hideous website!
Nice looking vans though.

I gave up looking, never saw the van.

 

[TheAleMan]

Joke of a website The interior is too contemporary for my taste. Exterior I like though.

 

[bobnick]

Well i would do a straight swop for my Bailey and chance being bitten.
And yes a truly orrible website.

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[funflair]

Do induction hobs use a lot of power Martin?

Not a huge amount I would say, I imagine a lot of people would still use it on hook up only although with enough LiFePO4 and solar you would be OK on the inverter, I use ours outside quite a bit and it's ideal in that the heat doesn't get blown away like gas, on the German Liner forum that I am on people have a lot more battery and solar than is typical in the UK so some are going all electric for cooking.

 

[funflair]

I couldnt look at much detail, that website is really annoying.

My biggest criticsm of recent flairs has been the small angled kitchen, that looks to be an improvement, and the brief glimpse of the bath/dressing area looks interesting.is there much difference on the outside? I dont think so although the outside didnt really need changing.

I actually like the outside of the Smoves its the Ikea/crypton factor and general flimsiness of the interior that lets it down.

Yes Jon the website is just slightly annoying after about the third or fourth viewing you start to get the hang of it though the kitchen does look a decent size with a "pop up" extract hob at the back of the cooker, the compressor option for the fridge seems to be the same wide drawer affair that they have in the iSmove. The biggy is going to be storage I think as again like the iSmove it has no wall cupboards other than the two at the front and two over the kitchen block, if you have an oven or dishwasher or even both then you have no storage under the sink/hob either.

The outside as you say looks pretty much untouched.

OOPs Edit, wall cupboards in the lounge on one side, just shown Jen and she said "yuk"

 

[Jamesh]

Nah...looks a bit boxy..But I ain't got 250k anyway

Yeap that wall board shouts pvc conversion to me!!

 

[funflair]

Looks great, I just done one on the configurator and it came to £285k

That price is about "par for the course" against the competition

 

[mitzimad]

Its better than the house im trying to buy not much difference in the price either can you do a loft conversion?

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[funflair]

I gave up looking, never saw the van.

There is a "proper" catalogue that you can view as a PDF. https://www.niesmann-bischoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/EN_Flair_Katalog_2022.pdf

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

Joke of a website The interior is too contemporary for my taste. Exterior I like though.

Easily trashed by some I would think

 

[funflair]

Looks like only 2 models 880 and 920 at the moment so nothing particularly short, and is there a “bar version” in the options?

 

[TheAleMan]

Easily trashed by some I would think

 

[nicholsong]

With sale features like Induction Hob, Coffee maker, Extraction Hood etc. it seems to be aimed more at campsite more than off-grid users.

Seating looks a bit like a waiting room.

I agree website was poor.

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[funflair]

With sale features like Induction Hob, Coffee maker, Extraction Hood etc. it seems to be aimed more at campsite more than off-grid users.

Seating looks a bit like a waiting room.

I agree website was poor.

When you get used to the web thing it’s actually not that bad Geoff as it moves and shows more detail, the brochure I posted is more user friendly though.

I think 600ah of lithium is an option so no problem with power, I see quite a few on the German liner forum that have 800 or 1000ah and 1000watts of solar as a minimum.

 

[funflair]

If anybody wants a walk around/through video with N+B CEO you might have to be on Facebook though? and in German of course.

 

[DSL2]

Any ideas if it's possible to buy as a UK purchaser from a German dealer to obtain a better price & earlier delivery at all? If so is there much to do to complete the UK paperwork?

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

Any ideas if it's possible to buy as a UK purchaser from a German dealer to obtain a better price & earlier delivery at all? If so is there much to do to complete the UK paperwork?

I did this in October 2020, flew out to view a new van then flew back a week later to collect and drive home.
You can obtain insurance from thr dealer but it’s only third party so you have to drive extra careful
Took around 6 weeks for my V5 to come through after sending off all the paperwork.

I saved around 12-15% so the way I look at it for the last couple of years and the next couple we are having our trips away for free
As we go to Germany twice a year the van gets serviced and any warranty work done while away.

Look on Mobile-De for new vans.

 

[jongood]

If anybody wants a walk around/through video with N+B CEO you might have to be on Facebook though? and in German of course.

I missed this first time round. Why you would want a glass door between the living and the bedroom and bedroom and toilet is beyond me. It also going to take a lot of cleaning. Accessible black tank is a good idea. and like the storage boxes but I bet its an expensive option.

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