2015 X290 BOXER / DUCATO REAR SHOCK ABSORBERS QUERY (1 Viewer)

[tonyidle]

Thanks Tony, I'll try & do that, what would I be looking for regarding the leaf springs ?

Differences - perhaps an extra or thicker leaf or a spacer missing between spring and axle on yours.

 

[gerry mcg]

A rear shock on my Ducato PVC failed at 7800miles
https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/does-this-look-like-a-blown-rear-shock.163540/
The pair were replaced FOC by fiat under warranty.
FWIW, my PVC sits on the spring assistors when unladen and brand new

 

[MC 55 FUN]

A rear shock on my Ducato PVC failed at 7800miles
https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/does-this-look-like-a-blown-rear-shock.163540/
The pair were replaced FOC by fiat under warranty.
FWIW, my PVC sits on the spring assistors when unladen and brand new

Thank you for that info', the pic of your spring assister in that thread is also valuable info', it does seem that I'll be able to replace the non o.e.m. dampers with o.e. spec' subject to consultation with my trusted Peugeot dealer.

 

[gerry mcg]

There was a thread a while back about the spring assistors and an MOT tester failing a van as they classed them as bump stops.
I took a photo of them when my van was unladen and only had 800 miles on the clock
To confirm how the van left the factory

Rear rear suspension MOT failure


https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/foru...ension-mot-failure.146532/page-8#post-2211251

 

[tonyidle]

There was a thread a while back about the spring assistors and an MOT tester failing a van as they classed them as bump stops.
I took a photo of them when my van was unladen and only had 800 miles on the clock
To confirm how the van left the factory

Rear rear suspension MOT failure


https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/foru...ension-mot-failure.146532/page-8#post-2211251

Which begs the question again - why are the OPs sitting 4" clear? Before contemplating shorter dampers the ride height needs to be addressed.

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[The Dotties]

Is the previous owner identified on the v5.
If so would be worth you’re while contacting him?

 

[MC 55 FUN]

Is the previous owner identified on the v5.
If so would be worth you’re while contacting him?

Yes, they are, fairly local too in Neath, I did approach our local dealer where they part-ex'd & we purchased the Moho from, & they did say they'd look at their records for a telephone number & contact the previous owner, I'm awaiting a response.

It would be useful & interesting to know the exact reason why the dampers were changed for non-o.e.m. spec' & theories range from the fitting of a tow bar, changes made due to a since reversed g.v.w. uprate, or simply personal choice on ride height / comfort, without a reason from them I guess I'll never know.

Given that there must be thousands of similar models safely running around on o.e.m. spec' dampers & subject to professional advice, I'm fairly confident that reverting will be o.k.

 

[Lenny HB]

Which begs the question again - why are the OPs sitting 4" clear? Before contemplating shorter dampers the ride height needs to be addressed.

Makes you wonder if the wrong shockers have been fitted and they are supporting the weight of the van instead of the springs. Could explain the early failure.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

Which begs the question again - why are the OPs sitting 4" clear? Before contemplating shorter dampers the ride height needs to be addressed.

This is indeed a conundrum Tony - especially as @gerry mcg's P.V.C. was unladen showing the spring assister in the position it was & our Moho being almost unladen when I took that pic' of our spring assister posted previously.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

Makes you wonder if the wrong shockers have been fitted and they are supporting the weight of the van instead of the springs. Could explain the early failure.

This is a possibility Lenny - maybe Sevel did exactly that during manufacture, unlikely but possible I guess.

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[tonyidle]

This is a possibility Lenny - maybe Sevel did exactly that during manufacture, unlikely but possible I guess.

It is possible but the OP would have no teeth left by now and the damper would be badly deformed when it failed - even if the mountings survived. Witness marks on the shroud should give some info about how far it has compressed in use. Presumably until it's recent failure there have been no concerns over comfort & handling? The garage have removed one for examination the replaced. They would have noticed if it was fully compressed or close to that position. I think the first step has to be to determine why the van is riding so high at the back. 4" with the van on the ground is one heck of a lift and can only be caused by the springs.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

It is possible but the OP would have no teeth left by now and the damper would be badly deformed when it failed - even if the mountings survived. Witness marks on the shroud should give some info about how far it has compressed in use. Presumably until it's recent failure there have been no concerns over comfort & handling? The garage have removed one for examination the replaced. They would have noticed if it was fully compressed or close to that position. I think the first step has to be to determine why the van is riding so high at the back. 4" with the van on the ground is one heck of a lift and can only be caused by the springs.

Agree with your thoughts Tony, not knowing whether the ground clearances from the lowest points of bodywork I posted previously are '' normal '' or high or not.

The Moho drives as I expect it to & i do consider the ride comfort / handling very reasonable given the t.p.m.s. tyre pressures & not dissimilar to our previous 60 plate 145.

Here's a pic' of the leaf springs, I would be grateful for your interpretation of them.

 

[tonyidle]

Agree with your thoughts Tony, not knowing whether the ground clearances from the lowest points of bodywork I posted previously are '' normal '' or high or not.

The Moho drives as I expect it to & i do consider the ride comfort / handling very reasonable given the t.p.m.s. tyre pressures & not dissimilar to our previous 60 plate 145.

Here's a pic' of the leaf springs, I would be grateful for your interpretation of them.

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As far as l am aware standard Ducato springs are single leaf. Yours are heavy duty springs and would explain the increased ride height and more than likely the longer dampers. You need confirmation from someone more familiar with the various spring fitments. Perhaps one of the dealers who post on here could confirm?

 

[Lenny HB]

The spring looks normal but have they been replaced or re-tensioned, easy enough to do we have a local company Sperry Springs that will make whatever you want.

 

[Lenny HB]

s far as l am aware standard Ducato springs are single leaf.

Friends & neighour's Boxer PVC 3500kg has dual springs, I was under it last week.
He did have an air bag that had failed on air assist and before it was replace it was crushed right down with about 2-3" between the spring and the chassis.

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[MC 55 FUN]

The spring looks normal but have they been replaced or re-tensioned,

I've no idea if they are original or not, fettled or not, highly likely to be o.e.m. but agree there's always a % of doubt.

 

[tonyidle]

Friends & neighour's Boxer PVC 3500kg has dual springs, I was under it last week.
He did have an air bag that had failed on air assist and before it was replace it was crushed right down with about 2-3" between the spring and the chassis.

Good job l said "as far as I'm aware" then isn't it? I think a visit to someone who is actually familiar with the various suspension arrangements is in order. However I'm convinced the springs are the problem.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

I think a visit to someone who is actually familiar with the various suspension arrangements is in order.

The Moho is to be inspected by our trusted Peugeot l.g.v. dealer on Monday

 

[gus-lopez]

On my c class built on a standard ducato chassis, albeit 29 years old, when you ho online for shocks underneath the standard ones is usually " not for use on camping car/auto caravan " An uprated part is then shown.I changed mine a couple of week s back.
Additionally mine has spacers from new fitted between the axle & leaves totalling 48mm otherwise it would be impossible to remove wheels without taking off the side panels.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

On my c class built on a standard ducato chassis, albeit 29 years old, when you ho online for shocks underneath the standard ones is usually " not for use on camping car/auto caravan " An uprated part is then shown.I changed mine a couple of week s back.
Additionally mine has spacers from new fitted between the axle & leaves totalling 48mm otherwise it would be impossible to remove wheels without taking off the side panels.

Thanks, is that Spanish motor factor or a U.K. / E.U. one ?

No motor factor that I've found or indeed Peugeot themselves list anything other than one type of damper for my Moho - that's not to say another type doesn't exist.

O.E.M. Fiat / Magneti Marelli part no : 1362556080 - listed as heavy duty.

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[gus-lopez]

Spanish.I got the part numbers off of the oscaro.es site then ordered from a motor factor in Devon.
If you post up the make,model.engine size,year ,etc I will put it in and see what it comes up with.
Mind you I am travelling st the moment if there is a delay.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

Spanish.I got the part numbers off of the oscaro.es site then ordered from a motor factor in Devon.
If you post up the make,model.engine size,year ,etc I will put it in and see what it comes up with.
Mind you I am travelling st the moment if there is a delay.

Thanks Gus, I just checked that website, they don't appear to list my 2015 model - only Boxers chassis up to 02 / 2014

X290 series 3.5t g.v.w. 2015 Peugeot Boxer 150 p.s. / 148 b.h.p. m.w.b.

 

[chesterfield hooligan]

I know it might seem silly but have a look on ebay with your reg and see if different ones are listed.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

I know it might seem silly but have a look on ebay with your reg and see if different ones are listed.

I did . . & there are no alternatives that I found, thanks for the idea.

 

[gus-lopez]

Thanks Gus, I just checked that website, they don't appear to list my 2015 model - only Boxers chassis up to 02 / 2014

X290 series 3.5t g.v.w. 2015 Peugeot Boxer 150 p.s. / 148 b.h.p. m.w.b.

No you need to look at the 03, 2014- some say "hoy" after the dash .it means March 2014 up until today.
I can tie upyour OEM number but the different lengths of shocks vary . Longest open measurement I can see is 476mm.
If you look click on " ver mas" which gives lengths etc then click on " detalles" which gives more info

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[MC 55 FUN]

No you need to look at the 03, 2014- some say "hoy" after the dash .it means March 2014 up until today.
I can tie upyour OEM number but the different lengths of shocks vary . Longest open measurement I can see is 476mm.
If you look click on " ver mas" which gives lengths etc then click on " detalles" which gives more info

I'll get back to you tomorrow Gus, my Spanish translation is grim !

Thank you

 

[MC 55 FUN]

No you need to look at the 03, 2014- some say "hoy" after the dash .it means March 2014 up until today.
I can tie upyour OEM number but the different lengths of shocks vary . Longest open measurement I can see is 476mm.
If you look click on " ver mas" which gives lengths etc then click on " detalles" which gives more info

476mm is too short Gus, # 13632556080 o.e.m. is 489mm / 19.25'' & I can source those easily, these fitted non o.e.m.dampers are at least 3'' / 75mm longer than o.e.m.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

@gus-lopez , did you find dampers longer than 19.25'' / 489mm ?