Alcohol and sleeping in your motorhome

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A common question on our forums is “Can I legally have a drink in my motorhome when I’m in a public place. Hardly surprising that this question is asked a lot because more than ever, motorhomers are parking in places other than campsites. We have schemes like Britstops which offer a lot of pub stopovers, and there are plenty of other directories and maps, such as Funster Keith’s map which he lists over 900 pubs that allow night-stops and diligently keeps it updated.

If you drink more than the drive limit in your motorhome in a “public Place”, then you run a real risk of being found to be “Drunk In Charge” This is an offence on a par with “Drink Driving” and carries similar fines, endorsements and disqualifications.

The offence of being Drunk in Charge is committed if:

“a person is in charge of any motor vehicle on a road or other public place after consuming so much alcohol that the proportion of it in his breath, blood or urine exceeds the prescribed limit he is guilty of an offence”

Questioning the Association of Chief Police Officers and asking if there is any dispensation at all for motorhomers and you’ll get no advice other than the definition above being repeated. So that’s it. Go over the limit in your motorhome in a public place and whether you intend to drive or not you are committing the offence of Drunk in Charge. 

Let’s deal with the public place aspect first. If you are pitched in pub car park while the pub is open, then you are very likely in a public place. When the pub closes, this becomes a grey area as to whether it’s public and might depend upon legal interpretation. However, you should assume that most places that invite us to pitch are more “public” than we might imagine.

Now let’s take the person in charge aspect. Essentially there is no legal definition for the term “in charge” so each case will depend on the exact circumstances you find yourself in. The Police National Legal Database describes ‘In Charge’ like this:-

“There is no hard and fast rule or strict test for what constitutes ‘in charge’ for the purposes of being in charge of a vehicle whilst under the influence of drink or drugs under section 4 and being in charge of a vehicle whilst over the prescribed limit under section 5 of the 1988 Act. However, a close connection between the defendant and control of the vehicle is required. That connection may be evidenced by the defendants position in relation to the car, his actions, possession of a key which fits the ignition, his intentions as regards control of the vehicle and the position of anyone else in, at or near the vehicle.”

You have a legal defence. if you can show that there was no likelihood of you driving your vehicle whilst you remained in excess of the prescribed limit or unfit. However, this is for you to prove rather than the Police to disprove.

If you are drunk and sat in the driving seat with the motorhome keys on your person or in the ignition. You are very likely to be charged.  If you are charged your defence will be based upon the balance of probabilities that you were not intending to drive. 

Plenty of things that you do might indicate that you had no intention of driving. If you have booked/paid for a night, you are in your pyjamas, your silver screens are in place, you are on levelling blocks, your bedroom slide is extended, your steadies wound down, your driving seat swivelled inward ect. All these things indicate that your intention was to sleep and not drive.

However even then, if you are off-your-face at 1 am and admit that you are going to hit the road at 7 am, the police officer might calculate that even though you are in your pyjamas, you will still be over at 7 am and might arrest you. Remember your defence is that you do not intend to drive, and there is no likelihood of you driving until you are sober to do so.

Best practice

When you are parked in a public place wherever there is a chance you might be moved on. Such places include lay-bys, deserted car parks, etc. You should never be over the limit. The risk of suddenly becoming Drunk In Charge or Driving Under the Influence are high.

If you are parking in a place like a pub car-park, assume it is public and build your defence before you have had a drink. If after you have been drinking you decide that you are parked in the wrong place or facing the wrong way, you only have to be seen in that seat, and you risk arrest. Similarly, if you sit in the drivers seat to spin the seat around, or start the engine to charge batteries, etc. If you get the wrong copper no matter what your protestations you might rightly be charged, your statutory defence comes long afterwards with you having to prove your defence to a magistrate.

Things you can do to ensure you are not arrested.

  • Make sure the landlord knows your intention to sleep in the car park.
  • Ensure the motorhome is parked in the right place and not causing any obstructions before you have a drink.
  • Put your silver-screens in the windscreen (internally will do)
  • If you use a third party steering lock, pop it on.
  • If you have a slide-out, put it out
  • Put jacks or steadies down
  • Never have the keys in or anywhere near the ignition
  • If you have a safe, put the keys in it
  • Never sit in the driving seat unless it is spun around

Remember, if you are over the limit, and deemed to be in charge then you may well be technically guilty. However if you make it really obvious that you have no intention of driving then, a reasonable police officer will not be interested in you and even if they have occasion to speak to you will readily accept you are no danger to yourself or anyone else and have no intention of driving.

Jim Brown

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73 Comments

  1. I've sought to answer a common question, if anyone has any comments or if any of our Funster police or ex police would like to comment on the article, add to it or put me right.  Feel free.

  2. Very informative Jim ,  I'm just glad i don't drink ^^  , unless you can get done for getting blocked on Coffee 🙂

  3. Truck drivers have always had this problem when overnighting in the cab. Of course they have the tachograph as backup, if there hours are up its obvious they have no intention of driving.

  4. This question was asked of me the other day, and it was good to read this article

    Any place to which the public have access is, well, public. Technically even an ungated  private road is publicly accessible. I spoke with one of my colleagues about it, and he told me of a chap who was sitting behind the steering wheel of a car on a security  monitoring exercise (legal) but was not insured to drive that specific  car. He didn't have the keys, but as he "had control of the handbrake", he was deemed to be uninsured in control of a motor vehicle in a public place ("it could roll down a hill") , and prosecuted. Absolute madness on the part of the magistrate (who are pretty bloody suspect in many cases).

    I suspect a gated site would be considered publicly inaccessible, and in my limited experience to date (all overseas) there have been "silent time" (no movement allowed between certain hours, and gate locked)

    Interesting to hear if anyone has any experience with this

  5. If  there are two people in the vehicle,who is the driver?, they are quite big and there could be six in there, who is the driver? If a Police officer asked who was the driver and nobody said they were, then he is scuppered on that front. However there are not that many who would push the stupid button over this.

  6. Surely if wild camping you would want the option of being able to drive away should some idiots turn up and cause you problems?

    That's why I only ever have a few when on a site and stick to a half with my meal when wild

  7. Surely if wild camping you would want the option of being able to drive away should some idiots turn up and cause you problems?

    That's why I only ever have a few when on a site and stick to a half with my meal when wild

    Good practise (y)

  8. If  there are two people in the vehicle,who is the driver?, they are quite big and there could be six in there, who is the driver? If a Police officer asked who was the driver and nobody said they were, then he is scuppered on that front. However there are not that many who would push the stupid button over this.

    Good point. But the registered keeper is legally required to identify the person in control of the vehicle. Issues such as who was sitting in the driver's seat and who had possession of the ignition key, as well as who was insured to drive/licenced  would presumably come into play.

    Haven't had enough time in my own M/H to think about getting hammered. Not actually much of a drinker, I leave that to the copilot

  9. If  there are two people in the vehicle,who is the driver?, they are quite big and there could be six in there, who is the driver? If a Police officer asked who was the driver and nobody said they were, then he is scuppered on that front. However there are not that many who would push the stupid button over this.

    Rather than all stay quiet, the correct thing to do would be for every on to say it was themselves, or alternately all point to the person next to them !

  10. I like a drink as much as anyone, but if we are parked anywhere where there is an outside chance of being moved on, I stick to coke, just not worth the risk, that's the difference between dedicated Aires and public car parks.

  11. I just had a thought. Another thing to think about as proof that there is no intention to drive could be the antenna on the roof. If you have the TV aerial up, or a satellite dish in the raised position this could be indicators that you don't intend to move the van? Not conclusive, but just a thought like I said.

  12. I like a drink as much as anyone, but if we are parked anywhere where there is an outside chance of being moved on, I stick to coke, just not worth the risk, that's the difference between dedicated Aires and public car parks.

    ……..but surely that is just as illegal….:whistle2:

  13. I just had a thought. Another thing to think about as proof that there is no intention to drive could be the antenna on the roof. If you have the TV aerial up, or a satellite dish in the raised position this could be indicators that you don't intend to move the van? Not conclusive, but just a thought like I said.

    Yes good idea.  When you appreciate that if over the limit you are "guilty" and could rightly be arrested. The only thing stopping your arrest is convincing a police officer that your legal defence is rock solid. The more obvious that defence the less likely the police officer will be concerned.

  14. All this stuff about showing ways that you are not intending to move goes out of the window if you are in fact told to move by the police or anyone else in authority.

  15. All this stuff about showing ways that you are not intending to move goes out of the window if you are in fact told to move by the police or anyone else in authority.

    Of course the article makes that plain.

    When you are parked in a public place wherever there is a chance you might be moved on. Such places include lay-bys, deserted car parks, etc. You should never be over the limit. The risk of suddenly becoming Drunk In Charge or Driving Under the Influence are high.

  16. When you are parked in a public place wherever there is a chance you might be moved on. Such places include lay-bys, deserted car parks, etc. You should never be over the limit. The risk of suddenly becoming Drunk In Charge or Driving Under the Influence are high.

    I suggest the the obvious answer to that, assuming you are daft enough to do it in the first place. Would be to decline to move, and take any fine for the lesser (Parking) "offence"?.

    Pete

  17. How about? Locking the Motor-home keys in the toad?. The Toad keys would not start the vehicle being occupied?. Could be a valid "defence".?

    Who Knows?

    Pete

  18. Simple answer don't drink whilst wilding or moving on next day wait until you are somewhere that you are legal and staying a few days. Don't drink and drive next day(y)(y)(y)

  19. Quite ironically we were at a BritStop last weekend, bloody nice one it was too, however, I believe we had the perfect defence. When we woke up in the morning, I cooked us breakfast, I then took the dog for a walk, and left wife and daughter to square away the van ready for travel.

    When I returned, I put the dog in her seat belt and sat in the drivers seat, rolled us back off the blocks, put them away under the back seats. Now ready to leave, I turn to the wife "erm, where are the keys?", which prompted the inevitable "how would I know, you had them last!" response!

    30 minutes later keys were located and we were on our way. So had a policeman have popped by in the night and asked "so where are the keys" my honest reply would have been "I do not have a clue officer!"

  20. flying rat76 on

    Thanks for the info on drinking registration, tips, I take my door key off put my driving keys in the gas chamber, then give my brother the door key so I dont have any keys on me.hope thats a good tip for you

  21. All very well. But.. thousands camp every night can anyone say they have been arrested and convicted? Why would the police want to do this? Surely they have plenty to do with the usual nonsense they face from the dregs. Also even if it went to court you are allowed to defend yourself and I think someone arrested in their pjs wasn't really planning to drive that night.

  22. I like a drink as much as anyone, but if we are parked anywhere where there is an outside chance of being moved on, I stick to coke, just not worth the risk, that's the difference between dedicated Aires and public car parks.

    coke is worse . they can do swipes on your skin if you have been taking coke they know .

    never realised you were a drug addict . hee hee

  23. coke is worse . they can do swipes on your skin if you have been taking coke they know .

    never realised you were a drug addict . hee hee

    Thats worrying,,bet i drink 6 cans a day,,,Diet though does that count?  BUSBY.

  24. With all that gas inside of you, I would have thought it would be a brave policeman who stepped inside to ask you anything 🙂

  25. Thats worrying,,bet i drink 6 cans a day,,,Diet though does that count?  BUSBY.

    i think that depends on if the copper thinks your sweet enough.

    but if your a fat bast–d you might lose out .

    its hard to be perfect i know. ha ha .

  26. Why would the police want to do this?

    if you have been drinking and asked to, or have to move on, are you happy driving over the limit ?

    why would you want to do it ?

  27. if you have been drinking and asked to, or have to move on, are you happy driving over the limit ?

    why would you want to risk it ?

    I'd rather get arrested for refusing to move, and get done for obstruction. It's got to be better than a ban, a hefty fine, and all that hassle with insurance a year later, plus the stigma of being labeled a drunk driver. 🙁

    Cheers,

    Jock. 🙂

  28. if you have been drinking and asked to, or have to move on, are you happy driving over the limit ?

    why would you want to risk it ?

    Just refuse,,,BUSBY…

  29. Just refuse,,,BUSBY…

    you may have no choice.., for example,  if you were in imminent danger.

    or if you refused an order by the police you could be breathalysed..

    The advice in Jim's resource is sound..

  30. you may have no choice.., for example,  if you were in imminent danger.

    or if you refused an order by the police you could be breathalysed..

    The advice in Jim's resource is sound..

    I would hand the keys to the police officer and ask him to move it,,,BUSBY..

  31. How much do you know about Aspartame, the main sweetener used in most "diet" soft drinks?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robbie-gennet/donald-rumsfeld-and-the-s_b_805581.html

    http://dailyhealthpost.com/the-shocking-story-of-how-aspartame-became-legal/

    https://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/nutrasweet_scandal.htm

    Just looked at the list of side effects and i don't suffer any of them. You won't take any notice of the advice though NICK because its not proven is it..BUSBY:):):)

  32. Just looked at the list of side effects and i don't suffer any of them. You won't take any notice of the advice though NICK because its not proven is it..BUSBY:):):)

    Those were a couple of articles from a quick search.  There is enough research around so that for me it is proven beyond any reasonable doubt.  I also know someone personally who has suffered from Aspartame poisoning.

    I was posting for information, it doesn't affect me as I don't drink any fizzy drinks, diet or otherwise.

    If you want to put something like that into your body and aren't interested in what it does then carry on.

  33. All this stuff about showing ways that you are not intending to move goes out of the window if you are in fact told to move by the police or anyone else in authority.

    No it doesn't, a person in authority whether police or anyone else does not have the authority to compel you to commit an offence, and if they did so would themselves commit an offence.

    Outline the meaning of aid and abet as it applies to S44 (1) of the Magistrates' Courts Act 1980.

    "A person who aids, abets, counsels, or procures the commission by another of a summary offence shall be guilty of the same offence." This applies to anyone, police, traffic attendants, campsite owners supermarket managers etc, infant anyone who might require you to move the vehicle.

    If your vehicle was causing an obstruction or danger to others a police officer may take the practical step of offering you a voluntary breath test, of course they don't have to. If you were under then you could be required to move. If over you cannot be required to do so but a simple and effective solution would be for the officer move the vehicle so as not to obstruct or cause danger, they have the power to do so in law. (Of course if you refused a compulsory breath test you would be arrested and the vehicle moved anyway) if you refused a voluntary breath test without good reason you may  be obstructing them in their duty. You could be arrested  and they would move the vehicle without your permission.

    This does not apply to non police officers. In their case again simple solution would be for the owner to allow them, subject to their being licensed to drive and covered by insurance, to move the vehicle to a safer or more convenient place.

    The defence of having no intention of driving and there being no likelihood of doing so still stands.

    I am talking about in the UK.

  34. Those were a couple of articles from a quick search.  There is enough research around so that for me it is proven beyond any reasonable doubt.  I also know someone personally who has suffered from Aspartame poisoning.

    I was posting for information, it doesn't affect me as I don't drink any fizzy drinks, diet or otherwise.

    If you want to put something like that into your body and aren't interested in what it does then carry on.

    But not enough evidence to prove the 6 metre rule,,,,,Me thinks you cherry pick things that suit you at the time. Bet you don't put the demon alcohol in your body either….BUSBY:):):)

  35. But not enough evidence to prove the 6 metre rule,,,,,Me thinks you cherry pick things that suit you at the time. Bet you don't put the demon alcohol in your body either….BUSBY:):):)

    I've not seen any evidence whatsoever either proving or disproving the 6 metre rule.  Not one little bit.  If any exists nobody seems to want to show it to me.  Like I said on the other thread show me some evidence and I'll read it.

    There is plenty of evidence on how dangerous Aspartame is. 

    Based on the evidence I've seen I would say that alcohol is considerably less dangerous than Aspartame.

  36. Has anyone actually had a problem with this ? there are loads of things that can go wrong if there is very little chance of it happening and no legal prescedent I would't bother too much unless wild camping and actually on the road the police seem to have pleanty of other things to worry about.

  37. All very well. But.. thousands camp every night can anyone say they have been arrested and convicted? Why would the police want to do this? Surely they have plenty to do with the usual nonsense they face from the dregs. Also even if it went to court you are allowed to defend yourself and I think someone arrested in their pjs wasn't really planning to drive that night.

    Assuming the 'driver' wasn't a quick change artist who got into his PJ's as the Bobby is knocking on the door (in an attempt to fool the P.C.) I can confirm that the PC would have to have asbestos ear protectors from the words of the Custody Sgt. when the 'driver' was presented before him.

    At least that's what 'My' Pc's would get when I was performing that role.

  38. Not cherry picking anything.

    I've not seen any evidence whatsoever either proving or disproving the 6 metre rule.  Not one little bit.  If any exists nobody seems to want me to see it.  Like I said on the other thread show me some research based evidence beyond just quoting the CC rule book or the 1960 Act and I'll read it.

    There is plenty of evidence on how dangerous Aspartame is.

    Based on the evidence I've seen I would say that alcohol is considerably less dangerous than Aspartame.

    Now you are talking tosh,,,,,how many deaths and illness is caused by excessive consumption of alcohol..how many marriages are broken up by it,,,many many thousands of the population are affected by excessive alcohol abusive than the use of sweeteners,,,,,,,Mind you i drink alcohol and use sweeteners,,,so i have not got a hope have i ? I have very low cholesterol,,normal blood pressure, can cycle 20 odd miles daily ,,walk 15 miles with ease am not overweight,, and very happy,,,must be something wrong with your figures,,,i am 72 next birthday so have been abusing myself for a few years,,,BUSBY:roll::roll::D:D

  39. Read all your messages about drinking while wild camping, found it all very interesting, I will admit, I do not wild camp very often, I when I do, I don't normally drink, I save it for when I am at a meet / on a site with my friends, as far as being in my pyjamas when PC plod knocks on the door, in the summer I sleep in my birthday suit, in the winter & use jogging top / bottoms, I do not even possess any jym jams. So I could never use that as reassuring Mr Police Person that I do not intend to drive. Just Saying.

  40. My rule is always, if I'm parked anywhere but an official site then I treat it the same as when driving a car. Not forgetting that even when on site, moving from one pitch to another or giving a lift to the site facilities is still an offence.

  41. Was discussing a similar topic the other day…

    In Norway the likes of buses have systems installed  that the driver has to use before they can start the vehicle… it checks their alcohol  level..

    Not sure how secure their use is  (ie whether they can be fiddled ) but it's something else that may be introduced more widely  and can only add to the debate..:)..

    Andy..

  42. I don't drink alcohol and also don't have a driving licence at the moment.

    So if Martin has a drink but I have the keys, no way would I drive even though I am still on the insurance – the insurance company know about the licence.

    Not likely to be an issue as if there is even a 1% chance he will have to drive in the next 24 hours he won't touch alcoholic drink. Not even the alcoholic ginger beer that is so popular.

  43. You could always refuse to move on the grounds that you have driven for X number of hours and are therefor tired so not safe to move vehicle, but inform the police officer that he/she has your permission to move vehicle to a safe place

  44. Lock the keys in the TOAD, that means drunk in CHARGE of TWO vehicle at the same time????  You would really  have to have caused agro for a copper to even look a you in the first place.   I have just been down to the West country and only saw ONE police man  and he was in a car going the other way  That trip was 560 miles.  1 police car  with 1 policeman. They are getting a bit thin on the ground.

  45. Watched a video recently about this…joolsinamotorhome, a full timer who has the occasional beer and says ..1, Hide your keys an tell anyone whos knocking that you have lost yoyrs and a relative is bringing your spare set in the morning..or..2, just dont answer the door

  46. If a Police officer asked who was the driver and nobody said they were, then he is scuppered on that front.

    Not so, all occupants could be arrested with enquiries to follow.  The driver is usually identified 🙂

  47. Has any one actually had any problem with the police if thay are parked up curtains closed.

    Seet turned or wound over the steering wheel keys hung up not cusing an obstruction because only a idiot would park up that way

    i have been wild camping or free parking all my adult life and never had a problem so if you have

     Not someone who knows someone personal experience only pleas

    OUT WITH IT

    BILL

  48. I am currently parked up on a site in Cornwall, The site gates are not locked, and the public could thereby have access to the site. So what is my situation?. Having been down to the nearby pub, had several pints of REAL beer. Am I now in danger of being prosecuted? The keys are here on the hook by the door. In theory I am no more (or less) liable to have my collar felt, than if I was on the layby on the A38?. IF I was at home, My keys to the car on my driveway are kept in the House. Under the same scenario I am thereby "liable", In that I "MAY" decide in the middle of the night to go for a ride.!!. As a (much) younger man I did indeed more than once, put a screaming child in the car and drive!. The motion was effective at inducing slumber, when all else failed!.

    A severe lack of common sense is prevalent here IMV.

  49. Hello – new to the forum so really interested in your discussion re:  booze and parking. I am planning my first M/H buy and thought I was the only one to worry about 'one too many sherries' in a public place i.e. A pub car park.   How about asking the landlord to hold the M/H keys behind the bar until the next day's opening time? If I'd agreed to buy my evening meal and drinks for the evening  at his establishment in exchange for a parking berth would this not seem reasonable??  No keys – no intention to drink under the influence?? Am I being naive?   Planning on lots of lovely wild trips so interested to hear what experienced motorhomers have to say. Teresa

  50. It all seems like mountains and molehills to me. I have never seen any information relating to prosecution for the offense or indeed any individual who can say they have been questioned by the Police.

    As the old Yorkshire saying goes

    "Use thee loaf an act rate ith edd" 😉

    If you have a striped shirt on, your wearing a black mask and have bag over your shoulder with Swag written  on it whilst standing outside the bank at midnight, expect to get your collar  felt. :whistle:

    And even then I've got my doubts 🙄

  51. How about asking the landlord to hold the M/H keys behind the bar until the next day's opening time?

    Welcome to the forum. Your suggestion has the right approach but with a significant flaw: how do get in then set the alarm before going to bed?

    Enjoy motorhoming when you get one.

  52. I think the police have better and more urgent things to do than go round looking for sleeping motorhomers who just might decide to drive in the middle of the night.

    Common sense rules-OK.

    Richard.

  53. If you have a striped shirt on, your wearing a black mask and have bag over your shoulder with Swag written  on it whilst standing outside the bank at midnight, expect to get your collar  felt. :whistle:

    And even then I've got my doubts 🙄

    Apparently not the case barsteward.  It was reported recently that police cannot stop a known criminal, on suspicion of going prepared to commit a crime any longer.  They actually have to be caught in the act now.

  54. Apparently not the case barsteward.  It was reported recently that police cannot stop a known criminal, on suspicion of going prepared to commit a crime any longer.  They actually have to be caught in the act now.

    Is that right? 😮 If it is, then how ridiculous is that? Gordon Bl##dy Bennett. 😡

    Jock. 🙁

  55. Apparently not the case barsteward.  It was reported recently that police cannot stop a known criminal, on suspicion of going prepared to commit a crime any longer.  They actually have to be caught in the act now.

    This is complete news to me. The offence of going equipped still exists to my knowledge and is also covered by the powers within a search under PACE.

    The fact that the CPS may not charge may be their decision, but the law is still there.

    I did lose one job on Going Equipped when he said "I went out to do a burglary but changed my mind and was going home when officer stopped me"

    He was therefore stating he was "Going home equipped" !!!

  56. Apparently not the case barsteward.  It was reported recently that police cannot stop a known criminal, on suspicion of going prepared to commit a crime any longer.  They actually have to be caught in the act now.

    Oh dear, I'd better remove my comprehensive tool kit from the m/h or get some business cards printed:

    'SPRIDDLER SECURITY SERVICES'

    Locksmith to the nobility.

    Mobile 24hr emergency service.

    Motorhomes a speciality.

    That should do it.

  57. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/25

    "A person shall be guilty of an offence if, when not at his place of abode, he has with him any article for use in the course of or in connection with any burglary or theft"

    i was thinking of the crimes act 1958

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca195882/s91.html

     and in particular : committing a burglary, theft or cheat shall be evidence that he had it with him for such use. and therefore if he was on the way home he did not have it for such use.

    This was the one we used to charge them under.

    Even less interesting was before i went to the dark side i was a store detective and foil lined bags were all the rage. In order to legally detain somebody an arrestable offence had to have been committed. In those days an arrestable defence was determined as an "Over 5 year" offence. Going equipped was a 2 year offence. We still detained for them but i cant remember under what power for civilians.

    If you or someone else you know suffers from insomnia, read my post again or try reading PACE 1984 it is proven to be better than Night nurse

  58. Yes, if you were in the state of Victoria in Australia, I guess that's the relevant one 🙂

    wow i quoted aussie. I could have sworn it was 1953 as well.

    Where is the amateur button ?

  59. Robert Phillips on

    Hi
    New to motor homing and am similarly concerned about this issue.
    But I think Cavs has it nailed…
    When in a pub car park….
    ‘How about asking the landlord to hold the M/H keys behind the bar until the next day’s opening time?’
    How difficult can it be to open up the van and drop the keys back behind the bar? How big can a pub car park be?!
    Rob

  60. Another thing to watch out for is the Morning after the booze up!

    A Plumber here in Cornwall was picked up P I C @11.30 AM after a night at the pub. He went to bed at midnight and started work at 0800hrs.

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