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Feeling utterly despondent here. No communication whatsoever. Not sure how much more of this we can take. The very thing that was supposed to help is having a massive detrimental effect. Felling completely lost ...
I know it's easy for me to say because I'm not living the nightmare, but hang in there @Charlie. We are all rooting for you. (y)
 

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Morning @Charlie I seem to have a distant memory of one of the Bank Holidays solicitors take an extra day off......not this one is it? Perhaps could be the reason for the silence.
Bank Hols always seem to take a few days to catch up.....or someone gone off on holiday as the kids are off. None of it makes it less stressful for you, I know.
Hoping for good news for you soon.

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I have to consider the short term detrimental effects against letting this go on . I truly believe this is not meant to happen and fighting it anymore is just prolonging the agony. This lack of communication is going to cause the chain in front to break as the chap is in the same frame of mind as me.

I'm thinking of asking the estate agent to put our house back on Rightmove . Reason for this is house prices have risen by 10 to 12 percent since this debacle started early February and it might force the hand of this stupidly slow chain.

If I am the one that chain breaks it will cost us a heck of a lot of money in addition to what is already lost . So an action to say do or die is the only thing I can think of.

Whatever we cannot continue like this.

I'm not sure we can market or remarket the house while we have a verbal agreement in place ?

I feel it only fair we have this option. After all no one is making any effort to proceed so why not...
 

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There is no reason why you can't put your house back on the market. Ask your agent to explain to the chain ahead that you are doing it to force your buyer's hand and that if your buyer comes back in line you will continue with the sale/purchase. Also ask your agent to email the potential buyer & solicitor so they have in writing that as there has been no communication from them you have no choice but to remarket, it may get a response from them and if not you know where you stand. You are under no obligation until contracts exchange.

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This lack of communication is going to cause the chain in front to break as the chap is in the same frame of mind as me.
I feel your pain on this Charlie as have been in similar situations in the past.
As you say, the lack of communication between the parties and the not knowing is so frustrating and causes so much grief.

My suggestion would be to put an ultimatum to your solicitor, to pass around the chain, that if a final solution is not forthcoming within 48 hours you will pull out and re advertise your property.

I wish you both the best of luck on this and a speedy result.
 
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I feel your pain on this Charlie as have been in similar situations in the past.
As you say, the lack of communication between the parties and the not knowing is so frustrating and causes so much grief.

My suggestion would be to put an ultimatum to your solicitor, to pass around the chain, that if a final solution is not forthcoming within 48 hours you will pull out and re advertise your property.

I wish you both the best of luck on this and a speedy result.

We won't pull out. If we do that it will cost us a lot of money apart from which I do not go back on my word.

But putting the house back on the market to keep our options open seems fair and reasonable. We are after all getting Zero communication so we have to assume something is badly amiss . What other conclusion can we arrive at ?

We agreed to sell this property at a reduced price on the 9th of February. We found and agreed to buy a bungalow within a couple of weeks but two weeks later the vendor decided to let us down .
It then took us a while to find another bungalow.
In this time prices have risen dramatically. A neighbour who has a house 3/4 of the size of ours has put his place on the market for 5K more than we sold at. It is no exaggeration to say it would cost 70K to get it to the standards of this house as it needs complete modernisation.

I think it's time to take a risky strategy and move forward or force the issue .

My problem is it will break my wife's heart if we loose the bungalow we are trying to buy. That and the health implications scare me silly. I'm not sure I'm brave enough to do what is I think the only option.

The worry of this is keeping me up all night and people close are telling me how terrible I look and I blooming well do .

At the end of my tether now I really am .
 

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An agreement to sell a property is only legally binding in England and Wales once contracts have been exchanged, Scotland is different, once an offer is accepted it is binding.

If your buyer cant be bothered to get of his backside and respond, then force his hand.

My phylosophy with property has always been, first one to sign, buys it and until then its stays on sale

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Sorry that this is all so stressful @Charlie , our friends were in a similar situation recently, they ended up living with us for a couple of weeks in order to sell their property before their new house was completed.

I think @scousebird has given great advice above. Fingers crossed for you.
 
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An agreement to sell a property is only legally binding in England and Wales once contracts have been exchanged, Scotland is different, once an offer is accepted it is binding.

If your buyer cant be bothered to get of his backside and respond, then force his hand.

My phylosophy with property has always been, first one to sign, buys it and until then its stays on sale

Having bought and sold property in Scotland I can say that until the missives have been exchanged which is the equivalent of what we call contracts anyone can do what they like. Reality is its no different .

There is some discussion on this in this thread .

It is normal to take a property off the open market once a sale is agreed. Otherwise how could anyone proceed with any degree of confidence . Let's not forget the bills that accrue once an agreement is made. I include in that the land registry requirements the searches the solicitors bills and the cost of surveys.
How could anyone fork out for that lot if a propert was still being marketed ?
 
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Am late to this thread but really feel for you. Reading between the lines it seems you are carrying the bulk of the strain due to your wife's illness.....that's hard I know. Not only is it difficult emotionally watching your wife suffer, but you have all this other crap going on too. So, to stay strong, you hav to find a way of allowing yourself to totally and utterly relax and renew ( sorry if I sound all hippy ish, but you need to do this). So for a few minutes a day go for a long walk, enjoy the scenery and birdsong, go fishing if that's what you enjoy. Sit with the headphones on and listen to music. Go soak in the bath with a good book. Get in the garden. Hide in your shed, whatever it is that relaxes you. Go and do it. Everyday. Try to get your mind to switch off. If you can do this, your stress levels will drop a fraction and you will be able to cope better. 30 minutes a day just for you, is enormously important. Go do it. Also repeat my mantra 'THIS TOO, WILL PASS '. and it will. You know it. Que Sera....as the song goes.
 
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Well that's a decision made. Everything crossed for a smooth sale going forwards. (y)

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Have put our house back on the market.... No choice really.
Did you take Helens advice?.... just wondering if you got any response from your buyer.

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Did you take Helens advice?.... just wondering if you got any response from your buyer.

Errr...... Well no not yet. But I kinda threatened it to our selling agent...

I'm normally a tough cookie when it comes to business. Having survived 40 years doing it fair but firm it's served me pretty well. But this is different so I've taken a slightly different approach and laid the bait in such a way the rats will get a sniff of it without feeling threatened.

I think the softly softly but firm might reap some corn . I'm hanging in by the skin of my teeth though but giving it my best shot.

I feel delivering a strong ultimatum might just force a reaction I don't want.

Oh and it's not our buyer it's our buyers buyer which is the bottom of the chain... I think it's down to the solicitors and agents rather than the people in the chain. It's been s mega stressful afternoon but I'm moving forward a wee bit at a time.
 
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Errr...... Well no not yet. But I kinda threatened it to our selling agent...

I'm normally a tough cookie when it comes to business. Having survived 40 years doing it fair but firm it's served me pretty well. But this is different so I've taken a slightly different approach and laid the bait in such a way the rats will get a sniff of it without feeling threatened.

I think the softly softly but firm might reap some corn . I'm hanging in by the skin of my teeth though but giving it my best shot.

I feel delivering a strong ultimatum might just force a reaction I don't want.
Hope it all comes good for you. I can't help thinking back to the tv series that used to be on, voiced by Kirsty Allsop, a few years ago. I think it was called Property Chain and it basically followed house moves through the chain. This was before tv peogrammes felt the need to sensationalise stuff so much.
Some of the shennanigans that went on were eye openers....and people having such different opions of what was ok and what wasn't......I do wonder what is going through your buyers mind, they probably think everything is fine.
 

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Good luck Charlie and I hope you and your wife are feeling a little better about the moving.

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I am truly sorry to hear that there has been no progress, Charlie, and I can only imagine the stress this is causing you.

I don't do conveyancing, but the general legal position on freehold sale is that it must be conducted through deed ("completion"), thus sale is always "subject to contract" (i.e. exchange of contracts) in England & Wales. If any misrepresentation has been made, and you have lost money as a consequence of that, you may well have grounds for a recovery action.

Unfortunately, conveyancing solicitors are not always clued up on litigation matters (and vice versa). If you have legal protection cover within your household insurance policy, as many people do, then you may find you are covered for such legal costs. A quick call to your insurers may be called for.

None of this helps you deal with the immediate issue, and you remain in my thoughts. PM me if I can help you at all
 
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I really don't know whether I'm coming or going . It is entirely possible that the people in the downward chain think everything is fine. How this can be when we've missed two exchange dates and our completion/ move date was supposed to be tomorrow I'm unsure .
It could be old fashioned me actually expects people to stand my thier word and put in a little effort on what after all is a pretty big issue . Well for us it is !

Your kind comments have really genuinely helped . I have no one to turn to as I feel it's me that has to deal with it. So far I've managed to keep on top of my emotions and temper . Not sure how much longer I can contain the temper though and perhaps delivery of an ultimatum is near. That I believe though is a risky strategy and I will have a job living with it if I do it and the results are negative.

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Moving house is right up there as being one of the most stressful things you can do, and the constant uncertainty you have faced must have been dreadful beyond measure

If you feel uncomfortable about rattling anyone's cage at this stage, then best to do as your heart dictates rather than risk provoking any calamity. Chances are that there is a lot happening behind the scenes, and people need to be a lot more transparent.

Today is a new day, here's hoping
 
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Moving house is right up there as being one of the most stressful things you can do, and the constant uncertainty you have faced must have been dreadful beyond measure

If you feel uncomfortable about rattling anyone's cage at this stage, then best to do as your heart dictates rather than risk provoking any calamity. Chances are that there is a lot happening behind the scenes, and people need to be a lot more transparent.

Today is a new day, here's hoping

I agree... I also noted your post above and won't hessitate to PM you if I need to. Thank you. !!

My daughter is a solicitor but specialises in a completely different area so that is why we went to an expert in conveyencing . I feel our solicitor has met every target and is on top of it.

The problem is each solicitor is only allowed to speak to the party immediately one up the chain and one down . So is not allowed to speak to the first time buyers solicitor at the bottom . It is without doubt in this area things are not clear .

Thanks again !
 
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No problems, Charlie, you're welcome

You are perfectly correct on the etiquette issue, but those are law society rules applicable to solicitors, and there is nothing stopping the estate agents (or even yourselves) from contacting anyone directly.

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I was just going to say that in this day & age the one up, one down sounds totally draconian :Eeek:.

It could well be that the buyer at the bottom of the chain is swanning along completely oblivious to the stress they may be causing.

Dunno about location, location, location - I think communication, communication, communication is as important.

Deep breaths, hold your your nerve Charlie.
 
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No problems, Charlie, you're welcome

You are perfectly correct on the etiquette issue, but those are law society rules applicable to solicitors, and there is nothing stopping the estate agents (or even yourselves) from contacting anyone directly.

I have requested the phone number of our buyer and thier agent but our selling agent won't provide.... They have to ask permission before doing so.

I speak to the vendor of the property we hope to buy every couple of days. We exchanged numbers on day 1 and we are both practical communitive people.

Our selling agent has been chasing all parties though and I chase them every day now. I hate keep phoning but I've stopped worrying about that and keep on phoning.

I can't complain about our agent to be honest. I actually can see what a horrible job theirs is at times.
 
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Technically speaking, your agent acts on your behalf, and the files actually belong to you

But it can be a thankless task (and all too often, very rewarding in terms of commissions), so probably best not to rattle them at this stage. They want their commission, make 'em work for it

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