why exclude tuggers (4 Viewers)

[Gromett]

my set up is shorter than many big m,homes -rv,s .certainly shorter than most caravan set ups .

Bet your set up is not as quick as mine. I have the hookup lead on the passenger seat. It comes out with me and gets plugged straight in. That's me setup .

Nothing more for me to do

 

[buttons]

Bet your set up is not as quick as mine.[HI] I have the hookup lead on the passenger seat.[/HI] It comes out with me and gets plugged straight in. That's me setup .
Nothing more for me to do

Do you not get complaints from your passengers.:Sad:

 

[vwalan]

hi grommet .what are you on .whats an hook up . i never hook up . solar powered .
i stop and thats it . nothing to drop open the door and cook what ever . hook up cant believe you really think i need hook up.

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[Reallyretired]

I have seen tuggers moved off aires.
On one occasion a small motorhome turned up towing a caravan. After copious discussions in French, they were allowed to stay, on condition they didn't sleep in the caravan, though I doubt if anyone checked

 

[buttons]

I have seen tuggers moved off aires.
On one occasion a small motorhome turned up towing a caravan. After copious discussions in French, they were allowed to stay, on condition they didn't sleep in the caravan, though I doubt if anyone checked

So is it the motorhomers who don't want to share the aires with tuggers or is it the authorities. From what I have read in this thread it is the attitude of the motorhomers who are policing the aires and rejecting tuggers.

 

[Larrynwin]

Aires are provided by the councils for Camping Cars not caravans.

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[vwalan]

they can also be private and some are owned by commercial outlets . some big supermarket chains have them on their carparks so hopefully you use the store.

 

[Reallyretired]

So is it the motorhomers who don't want to share the aires with tuggers or is it the authorities. From what I have read in this thread it is the attitude of the motorhomers who are policing the aires and rejecting tuggers.

In the example I quoted it was the authorities in the form of the bods from the town council who collected your cashwho didn't want the tuggers to stay. I don't know why as the aire in question (not a free one) had toilets and showers so it wasn't a matter of needing on board facilities.
Maybe they think tuggers stay too long, some aires only allow a max of 48hrs stay, but you're right in that French motorhomers are very hot on keeping tuggers off the aires.

 

[Mr Colpot]

So is it the motorhomers who don't want to share the aires with tuggers or is it the authorities. From what I have read in this thread it is the attitude of the motorhomers who are policing the aires and rejecting tuggers.

The Clue is in the name "Aire de Camping Cars":thumb:

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[Gromett]

hi grommet .what are you on .whats an hook up . i never hook up . solar powered .
i stop and thats it . nothing to drop open the door and cook what ever . hook up cant believe you really think i need hook up.

Don't need it but if there that's all I need to do.

Everything in the van is in it's own place right next to where I need it and goes back after use.

Ok, If I am wilding nothing to do at all

Plus at just under 6mtrs long I bet I can get places you can't

 

[buttons]

[HI]Should tuggers be able to park on French aires.[/HI] There could be rules as far as unhooking dut surly [HI]they have as many rights as motorhomes[/HI] so why are they excluded.

The Clue is in the name "Aire de Camping Cars":thumb:

Have another look at the question Mr Colpot.

 

[Mr Colpot]

Have another look at the question Mr Colpot.

My answer to the question is - they are not being excluded - they were never included in the first place. You make it sound like it is the Motorhomers that exclude the Caravanners - the Aires are built/run by the local Council and it is up to them who they build/run them for.

In answer to the question - should Caravanners be allowed to use the Aires? - I would still say no - they are not designed for them.

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[buttons]

My answer to the question is - they are not being excluded - they were never included in the first place. You make it sound like it is the Motorhomers that exclude the Caravanners - the Aires are built/run by the local Council and it is up to them who they build/run them for.

In answer to the question - [HI]should Caravanners be allowed to use the Aires? - I would still say no[/HI] - they are not designed for them.

Thanks:thumb:

 

[scotjimland]

[HI]The Clue is in the name[/HI] "Aire de Camping Cars":thumb:

same as the Caravan Club and the Camping and Caravan Club ?


If a caravan has on-board waste and fresh water tanks .. what's the difference... ?

In any case, it's a false argument, not all campers have grey tanks.. some don't don't even have toilets .. should they be excluded from aires. ?

 

[buttons]

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Originally Posted by Mr Colpot Link Removed
The Clue is in the name "Aire de Camping Cars":thumb:

[HI]same as the Caravan Club and the Camping and Caravan Club[/HI] ?

If a caravan has on-board waste and fresh water tanks .. what's the difference... ?

In any case, it's a false argument, not all campers have grey tanks.. some don't don't even have toilets .. should they be excluded from aires. ?

Great answer:thumb:

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[scotjimland]

Just for interest ..

The CC was founded in 1907 but it wasn't until 1967 that a motion to allow motor caravanners to become members of the Club is carried..

 

[Mr Colpot]

Just for interest ..

The CC was founded in 1907 but it wasn't until 1967 that a motion to allow motor caravanners to become members of the Club is carried..

Ok, but you are talking two different entities here, a club is different to an Aire surely? If you wanted to change the rules in a club you can lobby and vote, if you want to change the rules regarding Aires you would have to lobby all the Owners. You could set up a rival Aire in a town and open it for Caravanners (if the Laws allow) and when the other Aire Owners see how popular (or not) it is they may want to change the way they operate.

And what about France Passion?.......................................

 

[scotjimland]

Ok, but you are talking two different entities here, a club is different to an Aire surely? If you wanted to change the rules in a club you can lobby and vote, if you want to change the rules regarding Aires you would have to lobby all the Owners. You could set up a rival Aire in a town and open it for Caravanners (if the Laws allow) and when the other Aire Owners see how popular (or not) it is they may want to change the way they operate.

And what about France Passion?.......................................

Indeed, fully agree , but I posted merely to point out that a name doesn't necessarily mean exclusion and rules can be amended.

Have never used FP do they exclude caravans.. or is it left to the owners discretion ?

In France, "Camping à la ferme" (farmers who offer a small area for camping, with a maximum of six pitches allow all types of recreational vehicles.. including tents.

also "aire naturelle de camping" no exclusions


I guess you need to be passionate to use France Passion ..

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[Larrynwin]

Many aires are just not suitable for caravans as access because of length is impracticle. We have stayed on many with a 28ft and 32ft RV and we had no problem ,with toad it would not work, when we are in France we take bikes.
We have been to many aires including Stenay and Reims both of which would be difficult if not impossible for a car and caravan .

 

[BobProperty]

Pure speculation on my behalf but don't the French have significantly more Camping-Cars v caravans than we do? Like 80-20 as compared to 40-60. I'm guessing and making up the figures.

 

[scotjimland]

Many aires are just not suitable for caravans as access because of length is impracticle. We have stayed on many with a 28ft and 32ft RV and we had no problem ,with toad it would not work, when we are in France we take bikes.
We have been to many aires including Stenay and Reims both of which would be difficult if not impossible for a car and caravan .

Not been on Reims but did visit Stenay, twice with the RV and trailer.. and it also has plenty of space for caravans across the canal where the toilet block is. click on place marker for picture http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=207590977793691629247.00045c1ab0c50bf957c9d&msa=0&ll=49.50381,5.201683&spn=0.115712,0.338173

but you are correct, many aires would be far too small, we found it difficult with the RV + Trailer.. but not impossible.. I have a Google map that shows aires that can accommodated the largest outfits.. by no means complete, there will be many more..

Aires and Sites suitable for large motorhomes


I understand why they (caravans) are excluded from aires.. (fairly certain it was to keep the Gypsies out), they were made specifically for camping cars for overnight stops .. not camping per se. and there are plenty of other facilities (in France) for caravans, as mentioned, Camping La Ferme; Aire Naturelle de Camping; Municipal sites etc .. far more than we have in the UK .

Traditionally caravanning in France is a family seasonal thing, so not a lot of use out of school holidays hence why most sites close in winter.. whereas camping cars are used all year round and most aires are open 365.

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[slobadoberbob]

it is bad enough at a show

Why let them in. Sometimes the queue to empty the waste is long enough - imagine waiting while a tugger positions their Van over the drain!

We were on an Aire at Le Crotoy and a Tugger came in. He had barely stepped out of the Car before he was asked to leave.

It is bad enough at a show when you get a 36' RV then a 28' RV (Rick's - Motor Romin followed by Si - Dodgey) at last years Bath and West.. there I was this small RV at 23'9" miles back and my macerator hose is not that long....

Bob

 

[slobadoberbob]

I was, so I hang my head in shame

objection m'lud

this is prejudicial .. have a word will ya Bob.. one day you may also be a tugger

It is true Jim, not might be one day, but was in the past had a Buccaneer, pulled it with a Dodge Ram 250 Day van...

Prejudicial does not count.. just common sense .. keep them out

You are not trying to introduce the Human Rights Act are you Jim?:Blush:

Need to find some more bate and hooks........


Bob:thumb:

 

[slobadoberbob]

I just hit the genny start switch

hi grommet .what are you on .whats an hook up . i never hook up . solar powered .
i stop and thats it . nothing to drop open the door and cook what ever . hook up cant believe you really think i need hook up.

I just hit the genny start switch by the sink.. simples..


Bob

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[slobadoberbob]

you stand no chance Buttons VW excluded as well

So is it the motorhomers who don't want to share the aires with tuggers or is it the authorities. From what I have read in this thread it is the attitude of the motorhomers who are policing the aires and rejecting tuggers.

You stand no chance Buttons, they exclude commercials and a VX is a commercial.

Bob

 

[slobadoberbob]

I agree Larry

Many aires are just not suitable for caravans as access because of length is impracticle. We have stayed on many with a 28ft and 32ft RV and we had no problem ,with toad it would not work, when we are in France we take bikes.
We have been to many aires including Stenay and Reims both of which would be difficult if not impossible for a car and caravan .

We have found it hard going at 23'9" even with the smaller trailer for the scooters, I know I could not get in some with the car trailer... even a lot of cam sites I have to unhook and leave the trailer in another areas.. some I can then get the car on the pitch otherwise the car sits on the trailer until needed.

Bob

 

[BobProperty]

It is bad enough at a show when you get a 36' RV then a 28' RV (Rick's - Motor Romin followed by Si - Dodgey) at last years Bath and West.. there I was this small RV at 23'9" miles back and my macerator hose is not that long....

Bob

So whose RV did you connect it to, then?

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[slobadoberbob]

Just had to wait

So whose RV did you connect it to, then?

Some might say that certain people have a lot of Sh** to get rid of.. the bigger they are the more they have.. took for ever.. certainly the last motor home to leave from our side of the site... It will be worse this year, Rick is now 40' long.. but it will not matter as we hope to be in France for September.

Bob

 

[buttons]

You stand no chance Buttons, they exclude commercials and a VX is a commercial.

Bob

Too many Ism's on Aires for me Bob, anyway I don't need them, I can safely stop anywhere. You have forgotten that my van is totally stealth, I could sleep in the shadow of your pantechnicon and you would never know.

 

[vwalan]

hi buttons . i like to think mine is stealth as well . i usually park up where ever i want hardly ever get asked to move . i,m sure most just see a truck. must get round to repainting the door on the side though .hee hee . but it works for me.

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