Who Needs Mirrors? (1 Viewer)

[funflair]

Just had a day out at the Commercial Vehicle show at the NEC, quite an interesting day out (for me anyway, not sure about Mrs Funflair) cameras seem to be pretty big at the moment anything from basic crash cam's to full 360deg monitoring or parking cameras.

But the star had to be the "MirrorEye" system that is fully approved and can make all of your mirrors even on HGV's redundant.

http://www.stoneridge.com/mirroreye/

I have not found the price of this yet but the full 360 birds eye view parking system is a hit less than £2k fitted so quite interesting.

Martin

 

[sallylillian]

They look very good Martin. A few years back when I had the RV I was offered a 360 camera pack that was set up on the top 4 corners of the RV, The problem then was the awning screwed the view. These seem a good replacement for mirrors, and at £2k that's got to be close to the cost of some modern coach style mirrors. Power fold in looks interesting as does the night vision enhancement. I wonder how long before these become a standard fit? The question might be a legal requirement for mirrors??

 

[Badknee]

Trucks are leading the way for use in London. They have to have side cameras, front cameras, rear cameras, radar, alarms, the works.
I saw a program where the presenter was asked to take some time setting the mirrors (electric) on a tractor unit. Two on the offside and three on the nearside. When happy there wasn't anything to see she had to close her eyes for a few seconds and re check, still happy she was asked to leave the cab and walk round it. There were ten pedestrians under the windscreen, a range rover and a dozen cyclists on her nearside and not a single one showed up in any of the mirrors.

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[funflair]

They look very good Martin. A few years back when I had the RV I was offered a 360 camera pack that was set up on the top 4 corners of the RV, The problem then was the awning screwed the view. These seem a good replacement for mirrors, and at £2k that's got to be close to the cost of some modern coach style mirrors. Power fold in looks interesting as does the night vision enhancement. I wonder how long before these become a standard fit? The question might be a legal requirement for mirrors??

Hi Michael

The £2k option was for the birds eye parking camera system, I didn't get the price of the "mirroreye" mirror replacement system, they are going to e-mail me so I am sat down when I read it.

Martin

 

[tonyidle]

They look very good Martin. A few years back when I had the RV I was offered a 360 camera pack that was set up on the top 4 corners of the RV, The problem then was the awning screwed the view. These seem a good replacement for mirrors, and at £2k that's got to be close to the cost of some modern coach style mirrors. Power fold in looks interesting as does the night vision enhancement. I wonder how long before these become a standard fit? The question might be a legal requirement for mirrors??

Here's one for rather less than £2K:

http://www.practicalmotorhome.com/a...-360-camera-system-in-your-motorhome-part-one

 

[DavidG58]

watching with interest

this was me neatly parked out of the way at Mertrux this week

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[funflair]

watching with interest

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this was me neatly parked out of the way at Mertrux this week

If you had a recording rear camera David you could easily prove what we all know and that is that the tree moved and hit you

Martin

 

[Gooney]

I've got 360 degree camera view on my Nissan Qashquai and it's absolutely spot on, I've never hit an old lady pushing a trolley behind me in an Aldi car park yet

 

[Gromett]

But the star had to be the "MirrorEye" system that is fully approved and can make all of your mirrors even on HGV's redundant.

http://www.stoneridge.com/mirroreye/

did they go out of the way to pick the most irritating music ever for that video? I had to mute it. Sounded like a child was turning the volume up and down to the beat while someone else was playing the same tune on a phone in the back ground. Grrr.

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[sallylillian]

watching with interest

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this was me neatly parked out of the way at Mertrux this week

That must be why insurers give a discount to fitted tow bars? Nobody reads the sign that says if you cant see my mirrors I cant see you!

 

[Robert Clark]

Looked at as a % of the cost of a new truck or MH you think they'd be fitted as standard based on the safety improvements alone

 

[Geo]

Another piece of crappy elektrickery to replace a piece of reflective glass my heart bleeds
95% of reversing accidents are caused by not looking into the reflective glass
Now with these are super safe gadgets 95% of accident will be cause by not looking at a screen
you cant gadget your way out of human error
Whats the trucker to do when his cameras or screen screw up mid journey £200k worth of kit of the road due to an electrical gremlin
he cant pop into Halfords for a temp fix
We really must stop making "Improovments" Just because we can.

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[funflair]

did they go out of the way to pick the most irritating music ever for that video? I had to mute it. Sounded like a child was turning the volume up and down to the beat while someone else was playing the same tune on a phone in the back ground. Grrr.

Ah well, I only watched with the sound off because the rest of the room were watching TV so just for you I watched and listened



And it was better with the sound OFF.

Martin

 

[funflair]

Another piece of crappy elektrickery to replace a piece of reflective glass my heart bleeds
95% of reversing accidents are caused by not looking into the reflective glass
Now with these are super safe gadgets 95% of accident will be cause by not looking at a screen
you cant gadget your way out of human error
Whats the trucker to do when his cameras or screen screw up mid journey £200k worth of kit of the road due to an electrical gremlin
he cant pop into Halfords for a temp fix
We really must stop making "Improovments" Just because we can.

Hi Geo I agree with most if not all of what you say, but I guess I am just a sucker for"crappy elektrickery" I did wonder what the fall back was when it all goes T--s up.

There again we have have some improvements as without it we would still have a horse and cart with "square wheels" so I guess the trick is picking the genuinely worthwhile ones.

I am told that square wheels are quite good in muddy fields though.

Martin

 

[sallylillian]

Another piece of crappy elektrickery to replace a piece of reflective glass my heart bleeds
95% of reversing accidents are caused by not looking into the reflective glass
Now with these are super safe gadgets 95% of accident will be cause by not looking at a screen
you cant gadget your way out of human error
Whats the trucker to do when his cameras or screen screw up mid journey £200k worth of kit of the road due to an electrical gremlin
he cant pop into Halfords for a temp fix
We really must stop making "Improovments" Just because we can.

Oh yes the days of clutch less gearboxes, save all that maintenance, but then my great grandfather thought cars would not last!

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[nicholsong]

Interesting if expensive.

I just have a few comments.

What happens if the fuse blows when in the middle lane of a M/Way?

If you are operating the controls can you not be done for driving without due care? like with some other in-cab equipment?

I would be loathe to fit the cameras at Transit-hitting level, because of replacement cost, and how would you get a replacement quickly - doubt if Motor Factors or Dealers will be stocking them soon.

I note in the one Martin posted in his OP that their contact point was Chief Financial Officer. I just wonder whether they do not yet have finance for production and are lookking for finance/crowd-funding?

If you change MHs do you sell the system with the old MH and buy another system, or replace all the pre-existing mirrors on the old MH?

Just some points I personally would consider before buying.

Geoff

Geoff

 

[funflair]

Interesting if expensive.

I just have a few comments.

What happens if the fuse blows when in the middle lane of a M/Way?

If you are operating the controls can you not be done for driving without due care? like with some other in-cab equipment?

I would be loathe to fit the cameras at Transit-hitting level, because of replacement cost, and how would you get a replacement quickly - doubt if Motor Factors or Dealers will be stocking them soon.

I note in the one Martin posted in his OP that their contact point was Chief Financial Officer. I just wonder whether they do not yet have finance for production and are lookking for finance/crowd-funding?

If you change MHs do you sell the system with the old MH and buy another system, or replace all the pre-existing mirrors on the old MH?

Just some points I personally would consider before buying.

Geoff

Geoff

Hi Geoff I think there is big business behind them, agree about the fuse issue though and the vulnerability element although they do fold back. As far as fiddling with controls? I don't think there is anything to fiddle with.

Martin

 

[mitzimad]

parts failure is the same for many components most vehicles are drive by wire throttles ,electronic clutches electric power steering a fuse can go on all of those

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