What weight can I tow when 70 (1 Viewer)

[pelican]

I would appreciate help with this as the DVLA website I find confusing.
What I would like to know is when I reach the age of 70 what weight am I legally able to tow behind my 3500kg motorhome.
According to the DVLA if I only want to retain entitlement to Group BE (as the call it) there is no need for a medical,
Thank you

 

[2657]

You can tow whatever you can tow now on a B+E licence, doesn't change at 70.
A google search will tell you what that is, subject to the limits of your vehicle.

 

[DP+JAY]

Max 3500kg vehicle with a max train weight of 4250kg I believe.
DP

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[pappajohn]

You can tow up to your train weight.... The highest figure on the VIN plate.
B+E allows a trailer of any weight within the train weight.

 

[pelican]

Thank you all for replies.
Interesting as yesterday the young lady at DVLA told me that the limit without the medical etc was 750kg But a friend had an email stating BE licence still applied after 70.
I shall email them and see what the have to say.
It is not clear (to me ) on the licence what BE is.

 

[Odd job]

I have a caravan and checked, there is no loss of towing rights at 70 because unlike C1 it is not considered a commercial license

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[glenn2926]

As far as I am aware. If you have E on your license then you can tow any trailers up-to the train weight of the towing vehicle. This applies to B+E, C+E, D+E, D1+E, C1+E. That is providing you have the license for the towing vehicle.

 

[Larrynwin]

Categories B and BE cover you .

Driving licence categories

Driving licence categories - entitlements on your licence and what vehicles you can drive - cars, motorcycles, mopeds, medium and large lorries, minibuses and buses.

www.gov.uk

 

[pelican]

Thank you all for your replies feeling more comfortable now!

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[Gaston aires]

Thank you all for your replies feeling more comfortable now!

It’s well worth keeping your C1 if you can. Easily done.
Phil

 

[pelican]

It’s well worth keeping your C1 if you can. Easily done.
Phil

I looked at the medical form all 7 pages and concluded I am not Superman material.
It appears to be the same requirements as Bus driving and HGV

 

[nicholsong]

Categories B and BE cover you .

Driving licence categories

Driving licence categories - entitlements on your licence and what vehicles you can drive - cars, motorcycles, mopeds, medium and large lorries, minibuses and buses.

www.gov.uk

That government information is misleading on this point

"Category C1E

You can drive C1 category vehicles with a trailer over 750kg.


The combined MAM of both cannot exceed 12,000kg."

The 12,000kg only applies if one has a C1 by vitue of passing a C1 test. If the C1 was based on grandfather rights prior to 1997 then one's licence will be endorsed as limiting the train weight to 8,250kg.

Geoff

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[pelican]

Categories B and BE cover you .

Driving licence categories

Driving licence categories - entitlements on your licence and what vehicles you can drive - cars, motorcycles, mopeds, medium and large lorries, minibuses and buses.

www.gov.uk

Thank you.
But will these be deleted from my licence when I renew at 70?

 

[2657]

Thank you.
But will these be deleted from my licence when I renew at 70?

No

 

[2657]

I looked at the medical form all 7 pages and concluded I am not Superman material.
It appears to be the same requirements as Bus driving and HGV

That's because C1 is HGV

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[2657]

I have a caravan and checked, there is no loss of towing rights at 70 because unlike C1 it is not considered a commercial license

Nothing to do with being commercial, categories are dependant on the MAM of the vehicle and/or trailer.
C1 is classed as HGV or LGV as they prefer to term them these days and thus requires a medical at 70.

 

[pappajohn]

Thank you all for replies.
Interesting as yesterday the young lady at DVLA told me that the limit without the medical etc was 750kg But a friend had an email stating BE licence still applied after 70.
I shall email them and see what the have to say.
It is not clear (to me ) on the licence what BE is.

You'll never get the same answer twice at DVLA.
I reckon the phone jockeys spend there spare time interpreting the rules to suit themselves.

 

[Larrynwin]

Thank you.
But will these be deleted from my licence when I renew at 70?

No , I did mine five years ago and B and BE still remain.

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[pelican]

Thank you.
But will these be deleted from my licence when I renew at 70?

Under Cat BE on the notification you sent me it states "The size of the trailer depends on the BE valid from date shown on your licence. If the date is:
before 19 Jan 2013 you can tow any size trailer"
I assume that must remain within the Gross Train Weight.
But my licence will need to be renewed at 70 the date mentioned above is after 19 Jan 2013 assuming DVLA put valid from when applied for.
Sure I'm missing something here!

 

[Larrynwin]

That government information is misleading on this point

"Category C1E

You can drive C1 category vehicles with a trailer over 750kg.


The combined MAM of both cannot exceed 12,000kg."

The 12,000kg only applies if one has a C1 by vitue of passing a C1 test. If the C1 was based on grandfather rights prior to 1997 then one's licence will be endorsed as limiting the train weight to 8,250kg.

Geoff

My interpretation is that the C1+E is a pre 1997 grandfather's rights category with a gtw of 8250kg and C1 with a towing limit of 750kg is the subsequent category requiring a further test to increase the towing limit category CE.

 

[2657]

My interpretation is that the C1+E is a pre 1997 grandfather's rights category with a gtw of 8250kg and C1 with a towing limit of 750kg is the subsequent category requiring a further test to increase the towing limit category CE.

C1 and C1+E were given automatically to anyone holding a full licence in 1997, prior to this a full licence holder could drive vehicles up to 7500k MAM.
After this a test had to be taken for vehicles over 3500k, C1 which limits trailer weight to 750k MAM.
Another test needed to be taken to tow larger trailers up to a total train weight of 12000k, grandfather rights holders of C1+E are limited to a max train weight of 8250k as long as these weights are in the towing capacity of the vehicle.

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[pelican]

Under Cat BE on the notification you sent me it states "The size of the trailer depends on the BE valid from date shown on your licence. If the date is:
before 19 Jan 2013 you can tow any size trailer"
I assume that must remain within the Gross Train Weight.
But my licence will need to be renewed at 70 the date mentioned above is after 19 Jan 2013 assuming DVLA put valid from when applied for.
Sure I'm missing something here!

Just looked at someone over 70 licence and when it was renewed the dates are back dated to when they took their original tests, So thats covered!

 

[bobnick]

Every time this comes up i get a headache.

 

[Lenny HB]

I looked at the medical form all 7 pages and concluded I am not Superman material.
It appears to be the same requirements as Bus driving and HGV

Unless you have medical problems it's a 5-10 min check by one of the doctors on wheels clinics, I used D4 Drivers.

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[glenn2926]

That government information is misleading on this point

"Category C1E

You can drive C1 category vehicles with a trailer over 750kg.


The combined MAM of both cannot exceed 12,000kg."

The 12,000kg only applies if one has a C1 by vitue of passing a C1 test. If the C1 was based on grandfather rights prior to 1997 then one's licence will be endorsed as limiting the train weight to 8,250kg.

Geoff

I can drive up to 44tonnes and my C1 is because of grandfather rights. I do have C+E as well though.

 

[pelican]

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Unless you have medical problems it's a 5-10 min check by one of the doctors on wheels clinics, I used D4 Drivers.

Think I will try that route thank you

 

[gus-lopez]

That government information is misleading on this point

"Category C1E

You can drive C1 category vehicles with a trailer over 750kg.


The combined MAM of both cannot exceed 12,000kg."

The 12,000kg only applies if one has a C1 by vitue of passing a C1 test. If the C1 was based on grandfather rights prior to 1997 then one's licence will be endorsed as limiting the train weight to 8,250kg.

Geoff

I thought it was as well. there was no need to put in the bit about 750kg trailers in with C1 when it only comes under C1E for grandfather rights.

That's because C1 is HGV

I read it as "C" for hgv? as no limit on weight ? whereas C1 is over 3,5T & under 7,5 T +grandfather rights?

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[2657]

I thought it was as well. there was no need to put in the bit about 750kg trailers in with C1 when it only comes under C1E for grandfather rights.

I read it as "C" for hgv? as no limit on weight ? whereas C1 is over 3,5T & under 7,5 T +grandfather rights?

Depends what you call a LGV, DVLA call C1 medium but as you need the same medical but at 70 and not 45 as for Cat C I suppose it boils down to semantics.

 

[sallylillian]

I can drive up to 44tonnes and my C1 is because of grandfather rights. I do have C+E as well though.

When you got your C+E that automatically gave you full C1+E in effect upgrading your grandfather rights.

 

[2657]

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Think I will try that route thank you

If you don't need the C1 extra weight there is no point, C1 can be reinstated at any time if you pass the medical.

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