What size scooter can I drive?

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  1. Philiphall

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    Hi I don't have a motorbike licence but seem to remember that I can drive/ride an under 50cc moped in France without a licence. Anyone know if this is correct? I have a mountain bike on the back of the motorhome at the moment but reckon a moped/scooter would be better and easier on the legs.
     
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    If you want to ride a moped you first need to complete CBT unless you passed your full car driving test before 1 February 2001. In this case you can ride a moped, but still need to complete CBT to ride a motorcycle.

    and in typical dvla confusing fashion....

    If you passed your car driving test before 1 February 2001 you don’t need to take CBT to ride a moped.
     
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    50cc and restricted to 31mph

    French rules on what you can drive are for French nationals only.

    I beleive 14 year olds can ride mopeds as if they ride push bikes...no licence required
     
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    When you have sorted the license, then start the debate about weights, overhang, towball limits etc... !! You may find you cant legally carry one.. !!

    Fingers crossed... It's a bit of a minefield,, :RollEyes:
     
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    :ROFLMAO: surly you can ride alongside a motorhome pulling a A frame :ROFLMAO:
     
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    I read on here sometime ago that if you buy one of these scooters with the 2 wheels at the front,you can drive them on a car licence even upwards of 300 cc .
    So if you check out the weight issue you might be better to carry something with a bit more oomph!
    Does anyone know if you can carry passengers on these scooters whilst riding under a car licence .
    Vlad.
     
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    Yes....with a full car licence you can ride any size quad or trike without further tests

    https://www.gov.uk/vehicles-you-can-drive/y/quad-bike/yes

    and as a full car licence acts as a full licence for quads and trikes i would say yes to pillions, if the quad/trike is built to carry pillions.
     
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    Are these scooters classed as trikes ?
    2 wheels at the front possibly only 300 mm apart,not quite a quad or a trike .A confused scooter perhaps?
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTuc51_ZFA0"]Norman The Dog Riding Scooter - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    still got three wheels.

    its the distance between axles that make a difference.

    a twin axle trailer with the axles less than (I think) 750mm apart count, technically, as one axle
     
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    Having just purchased one, yes you can ride on a car license and carry a passenger. No training, no CBT, No `L` plates. No helmet if you are really crazy.....

    Crazy really as it`s only a tricycle when standing still, as soon as you move off it rides, corners like a bike and will fall over (unlike Harley trike).

    It`s a Piaggio MP3 mine is the 500cc the largest they make and is 260Kg fully fuelled. Picked up a trailer yesterday to tow it. A bit different to a moped, it will do about 95mph apparently.

    A Funster has a 250cc (2008) for sale at around £2750 if you are interested.

    Steve
     

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    Just a thought - have you considered an electric bike? I have one and although you do have to pedal, it's so much easier we find we can go further (and I can keep up with my husband!)
    :roflmto:
     
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    thanks everyone certainly got me thinking about what to get!::bigsmile:
     
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    Dont think you can ride without a helmet.

    I understand a trike is helmet or safety belt.
     
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    Not in the UK.

    quadricycle and tricycle both come under the same heading and no helmet or belt required...gotta be mad not to though !
     
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    hi pappa just a note as far as i know if the wheels are less than 460mm apart measured from the center of the tread it would classed as one wheel .
    crash hats only for bi cycles .
    mind i wore this .i thought it fitted the trike well. hee hee
    not german though its actually spanish.
     

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    Every time we use ours we say/think "could not do this with a motor bike".

    All over the pavements, pedestrian areas. No-one complains. It's just normal abroad.

    Having said that I was told to get off on Lake Garda by a cop on a 125cc bike. Fair enough, it did say no bikes. He carried on, followed by a dozen or more bikes being ridden. The main thing is not to go so fast as to endanger the peds.

    Hills and long distances ( over 10 miles ) and then petrol power wins.

    I have just logged 200 miles on our trip round Europe.
     
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    scooter issues

    Even if you can ride a scooter on the basis of "grandfather rights" on your license, there are a number of issues. Insurance may be problematic and may not cover you to carry a pillion.

    I carry a Honda SH125 scooter on a Burstner Solano, and found that you cannot legally carry one of these on a rack without overloading the rear axle. The only way to do it is on a trailer. There are some sites which allow you to enter the size of your overhang and load weight into an equation which gives the rear axle load. see http://www.svtech.co.uk/motorhomes.html

    Again, even if you can fit a scooter in the garage, you will probably find that the floor is not rated to carry this weight.

    A 50cc scooter is really only designed for one person. They struggle to carry a pillion and because of the speed limitation ( 28 miles per hour), can feel very dangerous in traffic. Electric bicycles may go as fast!:whatthe:
     
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    the 50cc bikes cope very well with two.
    most garages are capable of a lightweight scooter or bike .sticking them on a rack uses a leverage that is related to the distance from a pivot . thats why racks dont always work . as for insurance as a full moped licence holder it should be no problem carrying pasengers .
    seems you bought the wrong camper then the wrong bike and forgot the weight of the rack .
    you only have to think of pounds foot and work it out .
     
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