What 'dis? (2012 Ducato)

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Very faintly/dimly lit red fault indication on my 2012 Ducato.
You can only really see it in the dark, but is it a van with an exclamation mark?
I can't see any reference to it in my manual or on the net.

What is it? - Is it terminal? Should I be trading it in? Will it fail the MOT test?

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if it's only dimly lit. I expect it is a faulty display. costs £150 for cartronix to fix
 
The icon is for "Self Levelling Suspension Failure"
(for versions/markets, where provided)
The warning light comes on when key turned to MAR-ON but should go out soon after. Switches on when a fault is present in the self levelling suspension system.
But dim seems to be just an instrument cluster fault.
 
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Sounds like the display is on it’s way out, ours had a couple of very faint warning lights on and was replaced under warranty when just under 3 years old, as above Cartronix are the people to speak to.

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Has anybody asked Cartronics what the common faults are?, or what they do to rectify?, is it PCB dry joints?,PCB tracks shorting or breaking,faulty cheap components like diodes, or capacitors?
Being interested in all things electrical I would love to know, hopefully I wont need to find out for myself, but you never know whats going to play up next on a Moho.
Hope everyone suffering Fiat Cluster faults get them sorted out.
I like many others,still cant believe they are churning out these clusters in 2019 vans, as they are far too dim to view, and not at the correct angle for MH use, as they are too low and hidden by the steering wheel. That's why we, like most, have to rely on our GPS sat navs to give us a speed readout.
Les
 
TinaL said:
Has anybody asked Cartronics what the common faults are?, or what they do to rectify?, is it PCB dry joints?,PCB tracks shorting or breaking,faulty cheap components like diodes, or capacitors?
Being interested in all things electrical I would love to know, hopefully I wont need to find out for myself, but you never know whats going to play up next on a Moho.
Hope everyone suffering Fiat Cluster faults get them sorted out.
I like many others,still cant believe they are churning out these clusters in 2019 vans, as they are far too dim to view, and not at the correct angle for MH use, as they are too low and hidden by the steering wheel. That's why we, like most, have to rely on our GPS sat navs to give us a speed readout.
Les
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Very cheap surface mount resistors, diodes and LEDs that really are of the poorest quality. cartronix replaces all the relevant components and gives a good warranty for as long as you own the van
 
The fault doesn't happen on commercial vans, so the consensus by euroserv on the other forum is it's moisture. I agree as it isn't an outright failure like when a semiconductor fails, it's a failure that gets progressively worse.
So, a component that is hygroscopic? My money is on surface mount capacitors. The moisture gets absorbed so even after the van is thoroughly warmed up the fault persists.

Not something I'd want to faff about trying to change, but you could try putting the cluster in an oven at 50°c for 24 hours?
 
Richard and Ann said:
The fault doesn't happen on commercial vans, so the consensus by euroserv on the other forum is it's moisture. I agree as it isn't an outright failure like when a semiconductor fails, it's a failure that gets progressively worse.
So, a component that is hygroscopic? My money is on surface mount capacitors. The moisture gets absorbed so even after the van is thoroughly warmed up the fault persists.

Not something I'd want to faff about trying to change, but you could try putting the cluster in an oven at 50°c for 24 hours?
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Not only is it common in commercial vans it's also quite common across the Fiat range of cars too. Fiat aren't alone in dash problems though, Ford have been having issues since the mk1 focus with instrument cluster faults, VW had faults in the early t4s with dry joints, Renault, Peugeot, Vauxhall and quite a few more have a history of instrument panel faults.

D.
 
dave newell lvs said:
Not only is it common in commercial vans it's also quite common across the Fiat range of cars too. Fiat aren't alone in dash problems though, Ford have been having issues since the mk1 focus with instrument cluster faults, VW had faults in the early t4s with dry joints, Renault, Peugeot, Vauxhall and quite a few more have a history of instrument panel faults.

D.
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Don’t forget Citroen, loads of problems with C4 dash panels, the main reason that put us off buying one.

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Nick at Euroserv hasn't had any problems with his fleet of ducatos since 2007.


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Don't know the statistics but it seems like all motorhomes layed up for the winter develop the fault. Ours did straight after it's second winter. What does that tell you. :cautious:
 
A Peugeot dealer technician that confirmed the same fault on ours told me that he had to replace the instrument cluster on a brand new standard panel van at the PDI stage along with a couple of other vans that were not motorhomes.
 
Spanner said:
A Peugeot dealer technician that confirmed the same fault on ours told me that he had to replace the instrument cluster on a brand new standard panel van at the PDI stage along with a couple of other vans that were not motorhomes.
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Maybe they've been stood in a pre delivery car park for six months. I still think it's moisture ingress into components.
 
Our 2015 X290 has the ghost warning lamp syndrome, evident even during this year's moistureless baking hot summer, the odd thing is that when the drivers seatbelt is plugged in, the lights extinguish, possibly suggesting a bad earth to me.
 
Richard and Ann said:
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Don't know the statistics but it seems like all motorhomes layed up for the winter develop the fault. Ours did straight after it's second winter. What does that tell you. :cautious:
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We had the instrument cluster fault on our 2013 Peugeot Autosleeper. We used the van all year round so I don’t think it was anything to do with
being laid up.
The fault developed in the summer after a long trip around the South of France.
 
All these dash clusters could be made in the same factory. A lot of the airbag electronic systems were (probably still are).
 
Richard and Ann said:
What do you believe the cause is then? Oh wise one :notworthy2: ;)
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No need to be sarky. I don't know what the root cause is, I do know for fact that it is a fault not confined to motorhomes or even to Fiat.

D.

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In support of comments by @dave newell lvs I was dealing with dash faults of this nature and similar on everything from BMW and Mercedes to Ford Fiat and many others years ago and little has changed. The instrument clusters come from only 2 or 3 manufacturers and in my view all very similar when stripped down.
 
pappajohn said:
So you're saying Fiat have two independent production lines for the same item.... :xrofl:

Did they have a special production line for juddering clutches too.
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Exactly! They are the same component on both vans. The only difference is they are USED differently, the motorhomes tend to (but not always;)) have periods of inactivity where everything gets cold and damp.
 
Geo said:
If your so sure you know the Cause you must know the fix enlighten us please o wise 1-2:xdoh:
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Sure? When did I say I was so sure?

Richard and Ann said:
My money is on surface mount capacitors.
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And the cure? As I said earlier (if my hunch is correct) the cure would be to change the surface mount capacitors, which I said I don't fancy doing. Or maybe {I'm not saying definitely) maybe a 24hr period in an oven at 50°c would dry them out.

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Richard and Ann said:
Exactly! They are the same component on both vans. The only difference is they are USED differently, the motorhomes tend to (but not always;)) have periods of inactivity where everything gets cold and damp.
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I think the truth is Bob the builder or the delivery driver couldn't give a monkeys whether he can see the instruments or not in the same way if the clutch judders just give it a boot full of revs... He ain't paying for a new clutch....so the problem never gets reported to the transport manager and the independent builder can't afford to have his van off the road just because the dash is a bit dim so it goes unrepaired.
 
pappajohn said:
I think the truth is Bob the builder or the delivery driver couldn't give a monkeys whether he can see the instruments or not in the same way if the clutch judders just give it a boot full of revs... He ain't paying for a new clutch....so the problem never gets reported to the transport manager and the independent builder can't afford to have his van off the road just because the dash is a bit dim so it goes unrepaired.
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Yes I did think about it might be that, but (and this is only my personal opinion) Nick at Euroserv is very clued up with his fleet of vans, he's a member of a motorhome forum too so he probably owns a motorhome. I think he would know about it if his fleet of vans had the problem. If it were me I'd be checking them every few weeks :ROFLMAO:
 

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