weight spot checks on M62 (1 Viewer)

[kcy]

What happens if you are overweight, is there a leeway?

 

[kcy]

And whereabouts would that be please, hope it's not to far away from me, my local council one, won't do the job properly, and the one I have used is in a scrappers, don't like the idea of all those bits of metal in my tyres, what a mess it was, but hey they're doing their job so no complaints.

The one we use is at Brandsburton,but if you google weigh bridges I'm sure you'll find one closer.

 

[Steve and Denise]

If I am lucky enough to get to the ripe old age of ** I wont care about weight or a lot of other things apart from waking up in the next morning and thinking you still have not got me you *******

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[gus-lopez]

I would like to know the toleranceof these weighbridges.
Where I worked we had a customs certified weighbridge there was always a + or - tolerance even though certified!
Can't remember (oldfartitis) if it was 3% either way or .3%

Someone posted on a recent thread that it was 150kgs ?

What happens if you are overweight, is there a leeway?

Yes.
GRADUATION OF FIXED PENALTY NOTICES
£100 FP -- 5% to 10% or over 1 tonne on axle, gross or train if less than 5%
£200 FP -- Over 10% and up to 15%
£300 FP -- Over 15% and up to 30%
Prosecute over 30% or over 5 tonnes on axle, gross or train if under 30%

No points, not endorsable.

 

[mpdcymru]

Do they not? Who does the job now?

DVSA (Driver and vehicle standards Agency) a merge of the old VOSA and DSA - I suspect that DVLA ill join the band next

 

[mpdcymru]

I would like to know the toleranceof these weighbridges.
Where I worked we had a customs certified weighbridge there was always a + or - tolerance even though certified!
Can't remember (oldfartitis) if it was 3% either way or .3%

It's Trading Standards that certify weighbridges for enforcement or trading purposes. The tolerances for enforcement purposes 5% or a tonne to take account of the legal defence for overweight. The tolerances are significantly less though when it actually comes to calibrating the bridge.

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[Techno]

There is a free Trading Standards beam axle weighbridge just off the M62/621 junction at Morley which can't be too far from you, think it is also available 24hrs.

Beware if planning to visit out of office hours, it has been known to have tripped out as I found out one Sunday afternoon resulting in a wasted journey.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

I thought only a POLICE OFFICER in uniform could stop you on the road, DVSA?? run 'em over if they try?

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I thought only a POLICE OFFICER in uniform could stop you on the road, DVSA?? run 'em over if they try?

DVSA also have powers to stop vehicles for checking as far as I know

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[Landy lover]

I thought only a POLICE OFFICER in uniform could stop you on the road, DVSA?? run 'em over if they try?

Powers to stop vehicles[edit]
Under the Police Reform Act 2002, section 41 and Schedule 5,[6] Chief Constables could grant powers (under a Community Safety Accreditation Scheme) to VOSA officers to stop vehicles, for checks on vehicle and driver compliance without the need for police support (later expanded to stop any vehicle, although mainly goods and passenger carrying vehicles). At that time, only police officers had the power to stop vehicles and therefore had to be present. The powers were piloted in 2003 and brought more widely into force in 2004.[7]

Following a consultation in July 2010,[8] the law was overhauled in 2011 to grant VOSA officers the power to stop vehicles without relying on police approval through Community Safety Accreditation Schemes as above. This also allowed VOSA officers to stop vehicles in Scotland, as well as in England and Wales as previously. The amendment, which was made by the Road Vehicles (Powers to Stop) Regulations 2011, allows "stopping officers" approved by the Department for Transport to stop vehicles for certain reasons.[9]

To be appointed as a stopping officer, a person must:[9]

• be a suitable person to exercise the powers of a stopping officer,
• be capable of effectively exercising their powers, and
• have received adequate training for the exercise of their powers.

Officers must be in uniform to stop vehicles.[9] Impersonating or obstructing stopping officers is an offence.[9]

 

[Tootles]

Officers must be in uniform to stop vehicles.[9] Impersonating or obstructing stopping officers is an offence.[9]

And so, how would you know just who a 'stopping officer' is, if it wasn't a police officer in uniform?? I wouldn't stop if it wasn't a bobby. It could be anyone pretending to be a 'stopping officer'. How would you know??? Maybe they have tyre tread marks up their backs??

 

[2657]

And so, how would you know just who a 'stopping officer' is, if it wasn't a police officer in uniform?? I wouldn't stop if it wasn't a bobby. It could be anyone pretending to be a 'stopping officer'. How would you know??? Maybe they have tyre tread marks up their backs??

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You would get in bother then, whether we like it or not VOSA (DVSA) have the right to stop vehicles.

When these powers were introduced the road haulage industry voiced serious misgivings about security and lots of drivers carried signs saying they would follow the officer to the nearest police station.

As far as I know they always use a well signed vehicle with blue lights to pull vehicles in, the only time that I would stop for a uniformed officer not in a signed vehicle would be in one of the well signed checkpoints on major roads.

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[Tootles]

You would get in bother then, whether we like it or not VOSA (DVSA) have the right to stop vehicles.

Well, I think I would risk the 'bother'. No way would I stop for anyone other then a uniformed police officer. Two years ago, I refused to stop for an unmarked police car, I just drove to the local nick, and stopped there. The (now found to be genuine) police officers fully understood.
Any goon can buy a blue light and stick it onto an unmarked car or van.

http://responsevehiclelighting.co.uk/pages/Emergency-Vehicle-Products.html

 

[Kybod]

In case there was any doubt, it was a police officer in uniform in a patrol car that got me to follow him to the weighbridge. Whether there were other agencies involved once there i couldn't tell you.
Mike

 

[glenn2926]

I seem to remember dvsa only have orange beacons. I do not know if, legally you are required to stop for them. However if you don't stop they will ask the police to stop you and then you are well and truly shafted.

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[Tootles]

However if you don't stop they will ask the police to stop you and then you are well and truly shafted.

Why?? If you stopped for every orange beacon you saw, you would never get past the first pedestrian crossing.

 

[2657]

I seem to remember dvsa only have orange beacons. I do not know if, legally you are required to stop for them. However if you don't stop they will ask the police to stop you and then you are well and truly shafted.

No, blue lights and they do have the power to stop, see Landy lovers post.

 

[Tootles]

No, blue lights and they do have the power to stop, see Landy lovers post.

They can have the power to part the Red Sea, but how do they stop you? Shoot out your tyres.....

Example. Man in dayglo waistcoat raises his hand at the side of the road.....And you thoughtfully wave back as you change up into third.......

My question still stands. If the person who is not a police officer in uniform tries to stop you on the highway, how do you know that they have the right to stop you? You stop?? Then they rob you?? This happens all the time in parts of Europe.

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[2657]

Well, I think I would risk the 'bother'. No way would I stop for anyone other then a uniformed police officer. Two years ago, I refused to stop for an unmarked police car, I just drove to the local nick, and stopped there. The (now found to be genuine) police officers fully understood.
Any goon can buy a blue light and stick it onto an unmarked car or van.

http://responsevehiclelighting.co.uk/pages/Emergency-Vehicle-Products.html

Many moons ago my wife worked as a District( Community) Nurse on nights, as the title suggests this involved driving around at night in the various areas of Rochdale, Middleton, Heywood and occasionally into parts of Manchester.

The local health authority had ceased to provide vehicles and my wife used our bright red Bedford Midi van. One night in the early hours an unmarked police car attempted to stop them, there were always two of them at night, by flashing headlights and then pulling alongside and waving a police hat. Needless to say my wife did not stop, this induced the police to perform a dangerous stopping manoeuvre and my wife to give the police officers a severe tongue lashing....not a pleasant experience.

On another occasion she became aware of being followed and decided to head for the police station by a circuitous route but did not make it as she was surrounded by police cars in a scene reminiscent of The Sweeney.

The police had prior notification of the vehicles that the District Nurses used at night.

Like you I would be very reluctant to stop for any unmarked vehicle regardless of how many blue lights it had.

DVSA vehicles are very clearly marked.

 

[2657]

They can have the power to part the Red Sea, but how do they stop you? Shoot out your tyres.....

Example. Man in dayglo waistcoat raises his hand at the side of the road.....And you thoughtfully wave back as you change up into third.......

My question still stands. If the person who is not a police officer in uniform tries to stop you on the highway, how do you know that they have the right to stop you? You stop?? Then they rob you?? This happens all the time in parts of Europe.

I am not disagreeing with you but taken to it's logical conclusion how do you know that a uniformed police officer is genuine. Every scenario is different and I would not stop for an unmarked vehicle or anyone at the side of the road in what I would consider to be a risky situation.

 

[Tootles]

DVSA vehicles are very clearly marked.

Yes they are.....Here's one........

Looking...............Looking...........No, it dosent say POLICE

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[gus-lopez]

Powers to stop vehicles[edit]
Under the Police Reform Act 2002, section 41 and Schedule 5,[6] Chief Constables could grant powers (under a Community Safety Accreditation Scheme) to VOSA officers to stop vehicles, for checks on vehicle and driver compliance without the need for police support (later expanded to stop any vehicle, although mainly goods and passenger carrying vehicles). At that time, only police officers had the power to stop vehicles and therefore had to be present. The powers were piloted in 2003 and brought more widely into force in 2004.[7]

Following a consultation in July 2010,[8] the law was overhauled in 2011 to grant VOSA officers the power to stop vehicles without relying on police approval through Community Safety Accreditation Schemes as above. This also allowed VOSA officers to stop vehicles in Scotland, as well as in England and Wales as previously. The amendment, which was made by the Road Vehicles (Powers to Stop) Regulations 2011, allows "stopping officers" approved by the Department for Transport to stop vehicles for certain reasons.[9]

To be appointed as a stopping officer, a person must:[9]

• be a suitable person to exercise the powers of a stopping officer,
• be capable of effectively exercising their powers, and
• have received adequate training for the exercise of their powers.

Officers must be in uniform to stop vehicles.[9] Impersonating or obstructing stopping officers is an offence.[9]

This does not apply to cars & motorhomes but commercial vehicles In groups M2 & M3 with/without trailers. Additionally it states 'VOSA' , which doesn't exist anymore so unless they've re-done the legislation change to DVSA it isn't legal.
Additionally they still appear not to be able to stop you unless using a police officer.

No, blue lights and they do have the power to stop, see Landy lovers post.

Which only applies to Hgv's/commercial & vans in M2 & M· + with trailers.[/QUOTE]



“(A1) A stopping officer may direct the driver of a vehicle to stop the vehicle for the purpose of it being weighed under section 78 if the vehicle appears to the officer to be one to which subsection (A2) could apply.

(A2) This subsection applies to—

(a)motor vehicles in categories M2 and M3 and their trailers in category O;

(b)motor vehicles in categories N2 and N3 and their trailers in categories O3 and O4,


None of which applies to private cars & motorhomes.

Yes they are.....Here's one........

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Looking...............Looking...........No, it dosent say POLICE

Quite right. No different to a Itinerant . Could be anyone.

 

[Emmit]

And just throw fat into the fire literally.
Fire Brigade Officers have the authority under the Fire Brigades Act 1947 to stop traffic.

If you don't stop they'll turn the hoses on you.

 

[Tootles]

I am not disagreeing with you but taken to it's logical conclusion how do you know that a uniformed police officer is genuine.

Well, the chances of someone going to the trouble of dressing up as a genuine police officer and standing at the side of the road is pretty slim......It would only take a real policeman to be passing.....But a guy in a dayglo vest or coat?? Every road repair gang wears them, as well as people stealing contractors plant.

Some years ago, A guy did his motorbike up to look like a police bike, (and himself as well). He wasn't a risk, just a nut, but hey, thousands stopped for him. He could have been a rapist, robber, or even a Home Secretary, but fortunately he was harmless.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/18/polic...niforms-badges-and-handcuffs-on-ebay-5760311/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29546229

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[Tootles]

And just throw fat into the fire literally.
Fire Brigade Officers have the authority under the Fire Brigades Act 1947 to stop traffic.

If you don't stop they'll turn the hoses on you.

And here's more stuff they can do.........

Section 20 will enable fire and rescue authorities to continue to provide a response to incidents at sea and under the sea

 

[nomadic]

What happens if you are overweight, is there a leeway?

Over the leeway, you have to discard the excess before you are allowed to proceed. If over on one axle and under on the other then a shift on the load may be allowed. Other than that, loose water, call om someone to collect the overweight items, or discard them at the station.

 

[Tootles]

Over the leeway, you have to discard the excess before you are allowed to proceed. If over on one axle and under on the other then a shift on the load may be allowed. Other than that, loose water, call om someone to collect the overweight items, or discard them at the station.

So, in theory, you could leave the wife behind???

And how many times would you expect having to drive past before they pulled you in for a check? To many, and she might catch on........

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[2657]

Yes they are.....Here's one........

View attachment 98418

Looking...............Looking...........No, it dosent say POLICE

Doesn't need to they have the power......like it or not!!!

 

[2657]

This does not apply to cars & motorhomes but commercial vehicles In groups M2 & M3 with/without trailers. Additionally it states 'VOSA' , which doesn't exist anymore so unless they've re-done the legislation change to DVSA it isn't legal.
Additionally they still appear not to be able to stop you unless using a police officer.



Which only applies to Hgv's/commercial & vans in M2 & M· + with trailers.

“(A1) A stopping officer may direct the driver of a vehicle to stop the vehicle for the purpose of it being weighed under section 78 if the vehicle appears to the officer to be one to which subsection (A2) could apply.

(A2) This subsection applies to—

(a)motor vehicles in categories M2 and M3 and their trailers in category O;

(b)motor vehicles in categories N2 and N3 and their trailers in categories O3 and O4,


None of which applies to private cars & motorhomes.




Quite right. No different to a Itinerant . Could be anyone.[/QUOTE]

Which may be correct, my experience of VOSA has been with commercial vehicles, I did not like it when these powers were introduced for the reasons stated by you and others but we have what we have.

Where does it say or imply that a police officer must be used, the whole point of the legislation was to give VOSA the power to stop vehicles without a police officer.

If I am approaching a known VOSA (DVSA ) checkpoint and am pulled in by a VOSA(DVSA) marked vehicle then I will comply no matter what vehicle I am in. Rest assured that non compliance will result in more hassle than compliance.....I like an easy stress free life

In other circumstances I would assess the risk and act accordingly.

I do not think that the powers to stop vehicles given to VOSA would have been allowed to lapse when the two agencies merged, indeed VOSA may still exist under the umbrella of DVSA.

 

[gus-lopez]

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Which may be correct, my experience of VOSA has been with commercial vehicles, I did not like it when these powers were introduced for the reasons stated by you and others but we have what we have.

Where does it say or imply that a police officer must be used, the whole point of the legislation was to give VOSA the power to stop vehicles without a police officer.

If I am approaching a known VOSA (DVSA ) checkpoint and am pulled in by a VOSA(DVSA) marked vehicle then I will comply no matter what vehicle I am in. Rest assured that non compliance will result in more hassle than compliance.....I like an easy stress free life

In other circumstances I would assess the risk and act accordingly.

I do not think that the powers to stop vehicles given to VOSA would have been allowed to lapse when the two agencies merged, indeed VOSA may still exist under the umbrella of DVSA.

They only have the power, without a police officer, to stop vehicles in the groups shown; none of which are private cars & motorhomes which come under M1 , mainly.
To stop these they have to use a police officer to do the stopping otherwise it is illegal.

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