Van Weight Again (1 Viewer)

[Dorset Diver]

Just been to the weighbridge fully loaded. Full fuel (90 Ltrs), full water (170 Ltrs) and all of the paraphernalia.

The van is rated at 4250kg (rear axle: 2400kg front axle: 2100kg).
The actual weights were 4120kg (rear axle: 2400kg front axle: 1720kg)

These weights were without me and my OH on board. With us on board the actual weights were 4220kg (rear axle: 2420kg, front axle: 1800kg).

So my first question is should the driver and passenger be weighed, and where can I find all the details / info on the DVLA site. I have looked but so far I have failed to find it. Other questions may follow. Thanks in advance for your help.

Roger

 

[Flamenca]

Others will comment in detail but might I ask whether your grey water tank was empty?

 

[Dorset Diver]

Yes, grey tank was empty

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[Augusta08]

As I understand it, it's the weight in running order, so including driver and passengers. 170Ltrs is a lotta water.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

Just been to the weighbridge fully loaded. Full fuel (90 Ltrs), full water (170 Ltrs) and all of the paraphernalia.

The van is rated at 4250kg (rear axle: 2400kg front axle: 2100kg).
The actual weights were 4120kg (rear axle: 2400kg front axle: 1720kg)

These weights were without me and my OH on board. With us on board the actual weights were 4220kg (rear axle: 2420kg, front axle: 1800kg).

So my first question is should the driver and passenger be weighed, and where can I find all the details / info on the DVLA site. I have looked but so far I have failed to find it. Other questions may follow. Thanks in advance for your help.

Roger

Probably not definitive, but gives you an idea, passengers are not normally included in M.I.R.O. & are part of your payload.

http://www.caravanguard.co.uk/news/how-to-calculate-your-motorhome’s-safe-weight-limits-4104/

 

[Hettie's Crew]

As I see it it's the MTPLM (total permissible load) your going to have a problem with which includes driver and passengers, not the MIRO (mass in running order)
Rear axle overloaded, too much water?

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[Cavs]

So my first question is should the driver and passenger be weighed

For checking whether you are under the MTPLM of the vehicle (i.e. am I legal when going off on a trip?), you weigh the vehicle with everything and everyone in it. That's what will happen if you get pulled for a weight check.

All the other weights and specifications, such as MIRO, are useful for doing the calculations about what you might be able to carry, but they are irrelevant when assessing whether you're under the maximum allowed.

 

[PeteH]

Have only rarely run with a full load of Water, I find 20% is usually more that adequate for an "overnight". And top up on arrival?. So worst case would be about 125kg to spare?.

Fiat/Alko 4200kg rated Permissible train mass 6000kg. Mercedes/Alko 5800kg.

My understanding is that the payload included Driver and Passengers.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

If you fill with 100 litres, instead of 170 litres of water, for instance, you'll gain 70 kgs of payload.

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[Dorset Diver]

Probably not definitive, but gives you an idea, passengers are not normally included in M.I.R.O. & are part of your payload.

http://www.caravanguard.co.uk/news/how-to-calculate-your-motorhome’s-safe-weight-limits-4104/

Thanks MH 55. The plates shown is almost identical to mine except mine goes up to 6000kg.

I shall have to travel with the upper water tank (60 Ltrs) empty. That is until I can get the van uprated. SvTech say it can go to 4700 kgs but I don't have time to get that done before our next big trip.

 

[ChrisL]

Move some stuff to the front if possible and or ditch 20 ltrs of water?

 

[Vanman]

100kg for x2 people? Shan't be coming to yours for dinner

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[Dorset Diver]

My current plates:

100kg for x2 people? Shan't be coming to yours for dinner

That is mostly me .

 

[Dorset Diver]

These are my plates:
Unfortunately the V5 says 4250kg.

 

[Speve]

Your active plate is the left hand converters plate with both of you on board you are only 20kg over on the back I would just dump some water, even if you are stopped depending how long you have been out on the road you will probably have used some up any way or you could dump it on way to weighbridge.

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[Dorset Diver]

I suppose that I could take a full load of water and leave the OH behind . On second thoughts I'm too much of a coward.

 

[lunarman]

Surely the active plate is the right hand plate. The left hand one is the original Fiat plate for the chassis cab it was then modified by ALKO to add the rear chassis and axle which took it to 4500kg. AlLKO then added the second plate.
IIt should be a paper excercise with DVLA to change the weight to 4500 on the V5.
Your actual weights are within the limits of your van it is just incorrectly recorded by DVLA.

 

[Speve]

ual weights are within the limits of your van it is just incorrectly recorded by DVLA

I just noticed you have air suspension fitted so as lunarman has said it should be just a paperwork exercise

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[Dorset Diver]

Surely the active plate is the right hand plate. The left hand one is the original Fiat plate for the chassis cab it was then modified by ALKO to add the rear chassis and axle which took it to 4500kg. AlLKO then added the second plate.
IIt should be a paper excercise with DVLA to change the weight to 4500 on the V5.
Your actual weights are within the limits of your van it is just incorrectly recorded by DVLA.

I don't disagree. In fact as SvTech has said it could go up to 4700 kg. However, it is the V5 that would be used and I don't have time to get it changed before our next big trip .

 

[nicholsong]

Surely the active plate is the right hand plate. The left hand one is the original Fiat plate for the chassis cab it was then modified by ALKO to add the rear chassis and axle which took it to 4500kg. AlLKO then added the second plate.
IIt should be a paper excercise with DVLA to change the weight to 4500 on the V5.
Your actual weights are within the limits of your van it is just incorrectly recorded by DVLA.

Plates are dated - the latest one is the current one.

Previous plates have to stay intact.

DVLA claim they only enter the info provided - which I have always assumed that it is their admission that, as a Tax Collecting Agency, they do not have the knowledge or the inclination to query info, unlike DVSA who are knowledgable about vehicles.

DVSA look at the latest plate. They probably know the V5C info is inaccurate

Geoff

 

[Dorset Diver]

Not really concerned about DVSA more the Spanish and Portuguese authorities. Not sure how they check.

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[gus-lopez]

Your active plate is the left hand converters plate with both of you on board you are only 20kg over on the back I would just dump some water, even if you are stopped depending how long you have been out on the road you will probably have used some up any way or you could dump it on way to weighbridge.

neither is the converters plate Left is original Fiat as left factory ,right is alko chassis after fitting & converters plate is obviously elsewhere. Door pillar ?

 

[lunarman]

I have just got my V5 corrected as it was recorded as 3500 and PLG not 4250 and PHGV. It was a case of filling the V5 in and sending a photo of the vin plates with a covering letter. Mine was complicated by the change of tax rate but DVLA did the change and I got the v5 back in 10 days. Give them a ring they will tell you exactly what you need to do and the departmant to send it to.

 

[Clarky]

If you get stopped just show them the Alko plate, which has 4500kg.
Sorted!

Richard.

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[Riverbankannie]

If you get stopped just show them the Alko plate, which has 4500kg.
Sorted!

Richard.

They might ask to see V5, what does that say? Sorry if I missed it above but lots of figures being thrown around. You need to dump as much water as both of you weigh as you should have both been in the MH when it was weighed.

 

[Clarky]

We had our Carthago (I think we both have the same model) uprated to 4500kg when we ordered it.
You can never have too much payload and for the extra payment, £260 I seem to recall, I thought it would give us plenty of leeway. No worries about loading some extra wine and beer in the back now.
It was purely a paper exercise with a replacement, stick on, plate supplied.

Richard.

 

[Clarky]

They might ask to see V5

Just look a bit dappy (not difficult for some of us) and say that you can't quite put your hands on it at the moment.
"Sorry occifer, we must have left it at home, but look here, it quite clearly says 4500kg"
"Oh OK Sir. That all looks in order. Mind how you go"

Richard.

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[Dorset Diver]

Cheers Richard. Dappy should not be difficult for me, some may even say...err... natural, even normal .

 

[Wagoneer]

The left plate is Fiat (Marked ITALY). When you purchased the vehicle it should have come with a Carthago weight plate (sticker) which would have shown 2100/2400Kg.

You've obviously subsequently added air-suspension and the new permissible axle weights are shown on the ALCO plate. I would have thought that VB should have registered the revised axle weights with DVLA and had the V5 amended. Might be worth checking with VB to see if this was in their remit.

Our Chic has a fresh water tank capacity of 115 litres which we've found more than adequate for our needs. You obviously have a supplementary 60 litre tank.

 

[Dorset Diver]

neither is the converters plate Left is original Fiat as left factory ,right is alko chassis after fitting & converters plate is obviously elsewhere. Door pillar ?

Thanks for that info; it made me look around. Now the plot thickens. The Carthago plate (sticker) is with the vehicle documents, not stuck on anyway. That said the figures are (kgs):

4250
6000
1, 2300
2, 2500

I assume that provided the 4250 limit is not breached I could, for example, have 2500 rear and 1750 front. In reality with both of us on board the weights were 2420 rear and 1800 front (total 4220). Am I right in thinking that we now have a bit (30 kgs) to spare? I will of course now travel with less water

PS @Wagoneer . We have a 110 ltr lower tank and a 60 ltr upper tank. Until I get the up rating done I will not use the upper tank when travelling.

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