V Strom 1000 vs Varadero 1000

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  1. NickNic

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    As much as I love it I'm debating swapping my trusty Bandit for something a bit more winter friendly/sensible and I'm have to say, with my tin hat firmly on, I really don't like the GS1200. I took a new one out a couple of weeks ago and underwhelmed is the best I can say.

    If I do it it's looking like a choice between these two at the moment. What do we think? Does anyone have either one?

    I won't be towing/carrying it with the motorhome so that's not an issue. I also don't want anything with a smaller engine or physically smaller.
     
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    Suzuki better looking than the Honda, what about Triumph Tiger?
     
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    I've got one of the last air-cooled GSs. I didn't appreciate it for about a week. The lack of dive on breaking, the very flat torque of the engine, the unnerving right lean from engine braking when you roll-off tipping into a roundabout, the fact it felt like a barge... What had I done???!?

    Now I love it. I can throw it around as much as my old Versys (which is a seriously underrated bike) and it's far better for distance. I've ridden a few of the more recent WCs. They are better in every way, although the improvements have erased a bit of character. GSs are popular for a reason, not just fashion.

    Africa twin? Multistrada?
     
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    Agree with you about the looks of the Suzuki. Don’t really like the Tiger.
     
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    I understand the plus points of the GS and it rode fine, it was nice and agile and the one I took out was a new demonstrator so it had all the toys. I hated that bloody engine though. I can’t understand the thinking in building a highly technical top spec bike on an engine that hasn’t been updated in 50 years. That’s quite apart from it sounding like a bag of spanners and having less torque than my lawnmower.

    Africa Twin - No. I won’t be buying new and even if I was I’ve heard far too many gearbox horror stories in too short a time period.

    Multistrada - Possible but I know absolutely nothing about them.
     
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    'Bag of spanners' = character (y)
    (Honestly, with earplugs it's fine. On the rare occasions I ride without, I have to keep reminding myself that it's supposed to sound like that.)

    I understand what you mean about the engine torque. You twist the throttle and it just feels like it makes farty noises. There's no rush at the top-end like you get from a peaky inline 4. You learn that there's plenty of power there and you learn to appreciate it.

    As for 'not changing in 50 years', yes, it's still a 2 cylinder boxer. But it's now cam-chain, water cooled, multi-valved, fly-by-wire injected. So just as 'not changing' as pretty much all engines then.
     
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    But !!

    The Vstrom 650 is the same size as the 1000 and it's a peach of an engine. Mine topped out at 115 mph on The Ring but would cruise all day at 100 if I wanted to. Handled surprisingly well and arm chair comfort. But it was too top heavy for me, it always worried me below 20 mph.
     
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    Is this a bike or a woman?:rolleyes:
     
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    GSXR1000 FTW :)
     
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    I've had three GS's in my time. Excellent bikes for long distance touring which is my particular passion. I've now got a Crosstourer DCT which is fabulous. I love it! ....but it's not for everyone. (See what the Journos say about it :)(). The point that I'm clumsily making is that you have to go & ride several bikes that meet your brief. Not for 20 mins but several hours if you can & don't rely upon what others tell you. Make your own mind up. Compare & contrast. All part of the fun (y)
     
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    Both are UJM's.. pick the best colour..
     
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    That's as accurate a statement about the GS as it would be about the latest Honda transverse four engine.
     
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    Try the Yamaha Super tenere. I swapped my R1200gs for one. Love it.
     
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    It also shows a complete lack of knowledge about BMW boxer engines..
     
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    Not had a GS but did have a 1200RT. Same engine.
    When I first rode one I hated the engine. After using one for a week I loved it and bought one.

    As for saying the engine’s not changed for decades. Do you really believe that? That’s like saying four cylinder in-line petrol engines are the same now as they were 50 years ago.

    But if it’s not for you, don’t buy one.
    I’ve also had a Varadero 1000. Now that really is a dated, boring bike. Crackin’ engine though.
     
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    D63B569F-344C-45B3-BD7C-0B7FA915C2E3.jpeg I’ve got a vstrom, great bike, when I got it I wanted new and varadero was discontinued and a gs too dear, but coming from a transalp it is just superb, been to Italy twice on it.
     
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    Great pic! Good to hear from another sufferer of Alpinitis!
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    My VFR in the Pyrenees earlier this year. Off to Italy in 2018. Can't wait!
     

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