Using disabled bay!

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Well, I think the socks are a mistake, but otherwise good on him(y)
Wish there were more places like that.
Those complainers are just jealous whingers imho;)

I suggest a 'Fun' rally there as its free!
 

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We view it very differently. We think it gives bluebadge motorhomers a bad name and creates resentment from locals as this has clearly shown. We have never wild camped in a disabled space. We have used a disabled space during the day. So as Amanda can access beaches easily . When we travelled on the east coast we were able to access beaches for Amanda. Now due to this type of inconsiderate behavior barriers and restrictions have been put in place and we can no longer access the beaches. So it is only a matter of time before motorhomers disabled or otherwise will not be able to park in such beautiful places. Its Very sad.
 

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I'm with ABK, about 1% of the Daily Record's readers will think he is in the right the other 99% will condemned him and by inference at the very least all MH owners. You can't even do what he has done on a French aire due to time limits and strictly speaking a camp chair isn't allowed.
I'm all for better provision for MHs in the UK but misusing disabled parking spaces is not the answer. He is just being selfish by denying other blue badge holders the opportunity to use the space.
 

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..........about 1% of the Daily Record's readers will think he is in the right the other 99% will condemned him
actually ...
Do you think John Horn has a right to park in the disabled bay for such a long period of time?
  • Yes - he's done nothing wrong - 65%

  • No - he's taking the mickey - 35%
 

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actually ...
Do you think John Horn has a right to park in the disabled bay for such a long period of time?
  • Yes - he's done nothing wrong - 65%

  • No - he's taking the mickey - 35%
Oh well, I suppose I made the mistake of presuming standards still existed. If they took a poll of local disabled folk I wonder if they would have the same result? :sneaky:
 

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I think he's perfectly within his rights he is doing no harm and his campers in remarkably good nick for its age most of the early kontikis are falling to bits these days. He's contributing to the local community by means of food shopping and use of the centre he pays his road tax and insurance like everyone else the area around him looks clean and tidy

Good luck to him I say
 

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There are two ways to look at it..

1.. He is not breaking any laws or parking regulations.. his van is legal .. the police are not interested. Have a look at Google street view.. the flats are miles away, so not affecting anyone's view.

2. It will get up people's nose and gives camper van owners and in particular disabled ones, a bad name..

All this story is doing is advertising the fact that there is free overnight parking at Ayr Esplanade .. how long before it is overrun by campers and the council take action.
 
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Too long lol
In my opinion it is a case of him being able to do it legally that is at fault. If they had time limit restrictions then he would not be able to stay so long. I feel he is misusing the facilities that are given to him by staying so long stay a few days and nights by all means but please allow others to use the facility in the same way. I thought a disabled badge had a time limit for parking but is it only when parking on yellow lines?
A more knowledgeable person than me should be able to answer this question in relation to the law. When is parking not parking, because you are not parking you are in a sense residing due to the length of time, the sleeping, hanging out washing, sunbathing and all other related things he is doing?

Nowt wrong with his motorhome whatsoever in fact it is well looked after.

I feel this is going to further the bad feelings some people have towards Motorhomers, use these benefits in a fair manner I say. As said earlier even the French have time limits.
I hope it is dealt with swiftly and fairly for all concerned and does not hurt US as Motorhomers.
 
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No he's taking advantage . There should be a time limit. 2 days max
People like him spoil it for everyone else. There will be a no overnighting sign up soon , if the council have any common sense.

I also don't agree with disabled , having free parking. Why should they ?
Places near to entrances , facilities , but pay for it , like everyone else.

I too would not like it parked outside my house . Sorry It is an eyesore.
So is he for that matter ! :rofl:
Even if it was a top of the range new Motorhome and he was a right hunk , with a limp, I wouldn't want them in my line of vision for 3 months.
 

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There are two ways to look at it..

1.. He is not breaking any laws or parking regulations.. his van is legal .. the police are not interested. Have a look at Google street view.. the flats are miles away, so not affecting anyone's view.

2. It will get up people's nose and gives camper van owners and in particular disabled ones, a bad name..

All this story is doing is advertising that there is free overnight parking at Ayr esplanade .. how long before it is overrun and the council take action.
I don't think he's interested in whether it gives camper van owners a bad name or not....and really why should he?
Bottom line is he is breaking no laws and he contributes to society. If people copy him again that isn't his concern that's up to the council to deal with .........Most towns cities and communities of houses started because someone built a house and others followed suit. Maybe if the UK adopted the aires scheme and catered for motorcaravaners better then they could avoid this until then the guy is in the right and until he breaks a law good luck to him ........He will have to move when his mot is due :) ......and the next disabled motorhome can get the space.
 

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No he's taking advantage . There should be a time limit. 2 days max
People like him spoil it for everyone else. There will be a no overnighting sign up soon , if the council have any common sense.
What difference does it make if 1 van is there 6 months or a load of vans there 2 nights each? ....There would still be a van there from what I see it isn't other van owners or disabled people complaining it's just residents who don't want a camper there aka jealousy.......The disabled space next to it is empty

I also don't agree with disabled , having free parking. Why should they ?
Places near to entrances , facilities , but pay for it , like everyone else.

I too would not like it parked outside my house . Sorry It is an eyesore.
So is he for that matter ! :rofl:
Even if it was a top of the range new Motorhome and he was a right hunk , with a limp, I wouldn't want them in my line of vision for 3 months.
 
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Like many people I agree it is in bad taste and an abuse of a council parking facilities; whether he is disabled or not is irrelevant. The definition of the area he is camped in is a car park and should have restricted use, but as everyone including the police and council admit he is not breaking any laws and is entitled to stay.
Comments by locals paying their council tax whilst he pays none fail to realise he has a home where he returns at the end of the summer.

If anyone is to blame it is the council for not restricting the use of the car park, but no doubt after reading this article, conditions of use will change and height barriers will be introduced and everyone who owns a motorhome or day van including the disabled will suffer; a consequence of all thoughtlessness.
 

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The council state in that story they welcome the vans and don't want to change that.......il bet it's a minority of residents who are complaining the same ones who have draft letters pre typed about buckets not emptied or bulbs out in streetlights.
 

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Perfectly legal but it is the type of behaviour which results in banning of motorhomes.

It is reminiscent of Upton upon Severn a few years ago when Malvern Hills Council allowed overnighting in Hanley Road car park with no time limit. A temporary ban on overnighting was brought in because a significant part of the car park was taken over by blue badge holders staying for several days for free to the detriment of the public at large. The ban has since been rescinded as a new parking order with limits is now in force but there is no guarantee that any bans brought in elsewhere would be temporary.
 

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I wonder if any of the local residents bought a motorhome and decided to store it in that car park all year round whether it would get the same attention.

Technically you can park your motorhome on any private street you like if it's taxed mot and insured..... and not causing an obstruction in fact in Scotland you can park a caravan on the street and it's legal as long as it's not causing an obstruction ...so the fact the guy is staying in it but causing no harm shouldn't really make a difference.
 

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if he never sat outside and complied with the eu rules on parking not camping then it wouldnt matter . its because he has a chair outside etc that spoils it . parking is one thing camping is another .
nothing outside no stabilizers or steps touching the ground no leveling devices , etc is parking . what you do inside doesnt matter .
 

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He's selfish, no ifs, no buts.

If he turned up to park in a disabled bay and found that they were clogged up by others who had no intention of moving for a long time you can bet he'd be extremely unhappy especially if there were no other parking places available. Disabled bays are there for a reason - for people with mobility problems - if he really wanted to be more considerate he could take up one of the non-disabled bays ... but of course he probably wouldn't have such a nice 'view'.

Selfish for many reasons, however you look at it.

As an aside, I wonder what he's doing about his toilet waste and grey water ... and where he's getting fresh water from ...
 

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if he never sat outside and complied with the eu rules on parking not camping then it wouldnt matter . its because he has a chair outside etc that spoils it . parking is one thing camping is another .
nothing outside no stabilizers or steps touching the ground no leveling devices , etc is parking . what you do inside doesnt matter .
No Alan. As discussed many times in the past "parking is one thing camping is another" might be the case in other countries but not in the UK.
The legal term for"what you do inside" in this country is "habitation" not "camping" and, whether we like to admit it or not, S1(4) of the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 applies irrespective of whether stabilizers &c are used.
 

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Question for those who don't think he's taking the piss:
Would you still say he's ok, within the law, not a problem, etc. if it were 3 vans of travellers set up for the summer?
The principle is the same, surely?


This thread is duplicated in the "Is he a nuisance?" thread.

Probably not a "nuisance" as such, but certainly taking the mickey.
 

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Question for those who don't think he's taking the piss:
Would you still say he's ok, within the law, not a problem, etc. if it were 3 vans of travellers set up for the summer?
The principle is the same, surely?
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Good point john - u got me thinking now! My post was supportive of him but now u made me think!
Some might say he pays council tax and Itinerants don't - but then nor do I ! I don't have a blue badge but I could park there in a normal space and get away with it too. But if I lived in a house nearby I'd get the ump!
Confused dot com!!!

I still think he's ok - but if were Itinerants I'd drop bombs on them. :eek:
 

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Question for those who don't think he's taking the piss:
Would you still say he's ok, within the law, not a problem, etc. if it were 3 vans of travellers set up for the summer?
The principle is the same, surely?


This thread is duplicated in the "Is he a nuisance?" thread.

Probably not a "nuisance" as such, but certainly taking the mickey.
Actually yes I'd take the same view travellers have lived that way a there lives ....It gets my hump how in the UK we are so accepting of Muslim cultures and every other culture but seem to hate gypsies ....i mean genuine travellers of whom I've met a few and not the shysters who go round tarring drives or dodgy dealings who leave shit loads of waste behind them etc ....but if 3 travellers were there making no mess causing no noise etc and generally just appreciating the area then absolutely I'd have no problem with it.


All the comments about people giving campers a bad name etc really does my head in ......when I go camping il be honest I couldn't care less if any of my actions were thought of as giving other campers a bad name ...if I'm within the law doing no harm and respecting the area and someone doesn't like it then tough it's their problem not mine.
 
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On the same theme but slightly off the thread we were visiting Loch Morlich in Aviemore where there is a car park by the beach. Though there are no marked parking spaces a mh had parked horizontal, taking the space of two parked cars and had wound out his awning and put out his camping chairs. I was with my non mhing son and family and expressed my view I thought he was being inconsiderate. I was surprised by the response of my daughter in law who said, "I don't have a problem, good luck to him, its a public space and its a case of first come first served."

So what is my point? I then began to realise perhaps we, and I really mean me, are too sensitive about what we think others may think of us! My natural inclination is, whilst enjoying myself, not to annoy others but as many Funsters have said before try as we might we will always annoy someone and though some might find this guys behaviour annoying (and I am one of them) there are probably many more who like my daughter in law would say, "Good luck to him!"
 
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