Uprated but still under 3.5t?

[ShaKen]

I’m considering get my Chausson 640 uprated to allow me to carry more payload if/when required.

On my last trip, fully packed (but no water) I was bang on 3.5t.

Obviously it would be easy to go over 3.5t by adding water, more provisions or a few cases of wine, so I was thinking of uprating to cover that.

Q. If I do get it uprated, but choose to travel light, can I still treat my MoHo as being below the 3.5t limit and thus stick to the higher speed limits, or is it the case that once uprated (even if it is just a paper exercise with no physical changes) I MUST stick to the lower limits? i.e. Is it the rating that defines your speed limit, or your GVW at that point in time?

 

[Speve]

Once uprated you will be in the PHG class and you have to abide by the lower speeds however you benefit from lower road fund at £165.and lower speeds aren’t a big deal in fact IMHO better.???

 

[Badknee]

Once uprated who the hells going to notice
We always drove our 3850kgs as a 3500kgs. Bit different now with a 5250kgs tag axle ??

 

[tacr2man]

Also once rerated over 3.5t you need suitable driving licence as well

 

[596]

And if over 70 as I suspect you are like most here are, a medical, but I believe it lasts 3yrs

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[andy63]

Q. If I do get it uprated, but choose to travel light, can I still treat my MoHo as being below the 3.5t limit and thus stick to the higher speed limits, or is it the case that once uprated (even if it is just a paper exercise with no physical changes) I MUST stick to the lower limits? i.e. Is it the rating that defines your speed limit, or your GVW at that point in time?

im going to disagree with the point made above that says you have to abide by the lower speed limit... I don't believe uprating changes that...
I uprated my chausson to 4000kg.... and checked with sv tec at the time just to be sure and he confirmed that if the vehicle fell within the 3050kg of unladen weight category uprating does not change that.. and the same speed restrictions apply as before uprating
that's my understanding..
Andy..

 

[tacr2man]

And if over 70 as I suspect you are like most here are, a medical, but I believe it lasts 3yrs

Based on what ? or

 

[596]

Based on what ? or

I saw a picture from the Lincoln show yesterday unless that was the younger group, I am sure there are older ones as well, made me feel young Post No 224 by Blossom here https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/lincoln-motorhome-show-2019.187171/page-8#post-3504633

 

[tacr2man]

 

[ShaKen]

im going to disagree with the point made above that says you have to abide by the lower speed limit... I don't believe uprating changes that...
I uprated my chausson to 4000kg.... and checked with sv tec at the time just to be sure and he confirmed that if the vehicle fell within the 3050kg of unladen weight category uprating does not change that.. and the same speed restrictions apply as before uprating
that's my understanding..
Andy..

Ah, looks like your right! See https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

It’s the unladen weight not the laden weight that determines speed limit (at least in the Uk). So if I get it uprated without modification, then speed limit will be the same (as my unladen weight is 3012kg) ?

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[Jimbohorlicks]

I saw a picture from the Lincoln show yesterday unless that was the younger group, I am sure there are older ones as well, made me feel young Post No 224 by Blossom here https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/lincoln-motorhome-show-2019.187171/page-8#post-3504633

How to lose friends that you don't yet have, very quickly

 

[596]

How to lose friends that you don't yet have, very quickly

Sorry I don't understand, I was answering a question that asked what I based my post on and I did, nothing rude, just pointing out about the medical examination, please explain your issue!

 

[ShaKen]

And if over 70 as I suspect you are like most here are, a medical, but I believe it lasts 3yrs

It must be my aftershave - I found an old bottle of Blue Stratos in the garage the other day and splashed it on with amazing effects

Actually I’m under 55, with a C1 Licence entitlement.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Sorry I don't understand, I was answering a question that asked what I based my post on and I did, nothing rude, just pointing out about the medical examination, please explain your issue!

And if over 70 as I suspect you are like most here are, a medical, but I believe it lasts 3yrs

I saw a picture from the Lincoln show yesterday unless that was the younger group, I am sure there are older ones as well, made me feel young Post No 224 by Blossom here https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/lincoln-motorhome-show-2019.187171/page-8#post-3504633

You really need to read what you are posting.

 

[peterc10]

The speed limits in the UK for motorhomes are based upon something called unladen weight, which is not the same as the MIRO quoted by the makers. Under 3050kg (NOT a misprint for 3500) speed limits are as per car, over they are 10mph lower on dual and single carriageways but the same on motorways.

BUT that is not the case in the rest of Europe where speed limits are based upon plated maximum weight.

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[596]

It must be my aftershave - I found an old bottle of Blue Stratos in the garage the other day and splashed it on with amazing effects

Actually I’m under 55, with a C1 Licence entitlement.

I'm sure not everyone is over 70 nor did I say that, not that there is an issue with that but some seem to get a bit excited about me suggesting it, I was just highlighting the issue of the medical, nice to see some young blood on the forum

 

[ShaKen]

The speed limits in the UK for motorhomes are based upon something called unladen weight, which is not the same as the MIRO quoted by the makers. Under 3050kg (NOT a misprint for 3500) speed limits are as per car, over they are 10mph lower on dual and single carriageways but the same on motorways.

BUT that is not the case in the rest of Europe where speed limits are based upon plated maximum weight.

So in my case with a MIRO of 3012kg, then the Unladen weight (MIRO minus fuel, driver etc) must be less! So even better.

 

[Lenny HB]

If you are up to the 3500kg without any water I would class the van unfit for purpose.

 

[tacr2man]

I'm sure not everyone is over 70 nor did I say that, not that there is an issue with that but some seem to get a bit excited about me suggesting it, I was just highlighting the issue of the medical, nice to see some young blood on the forum

You dont seem to be even aware when you are digging the hole deeper

 

[dotsontour]

Rod and Line out again !!

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[pagey]

The speed limits in the UK for motorhomes are based upon something called unladen weight, which is not the same as the MIRO quoted by the makers. Under 3050kg (NOT a misprint for 3500) speed limits are as per car, over they are 10mph lower on dual and single carriageways but the same on motorways.

BUT that is not the case in the rest of Europe where speed limits are based upon plated maximum weight.

correct and the if the police ask to see your v5 you are in trouble ..I got flashed earlier this year in france as the camera could not tell i was a motorhome if they bother to check via dvla they will see you are over 3.5 ton

 

[ShaKen]

If you are up to the 3500kg without any water I would class the van unfit for purpose.

That was carrying all the gear for 16 days in France including: 2 heavy electric bikes, dog, dog trailer (he’s old), spare tyre for MoHo, inflatable awning, sun canopy, chairs & footrests, 2 tables, drone with spare batteries, ukulele, food, drink, 12ltrs of bottled water, lots of gadgets, TV, boules / pétanque, hand vacuum cleaner, set of ladders, 4 ramps, gas bbq, toolkit, steering wheel lock, wheel clamp, 50m EHU cable, mallets / hammer & lots of magazine (the wife loves her mags).

So not really unfit for purpose; but some extra payload would be useful.

 

[63720]

Also. If you go over the channel there are many towns and villages with gvw limit of 3.5t.

 

[Reallyretired]

Also. If you go over the channel there are many towns and villages with gvw limit of 3.5t.

Most of those restrictions are for lorries only (picture of a lorry on the sign), rare to see one applying to motorhomes, anyway all French motorhomes are 3500kg regardless of their actual weight.

 

[MR. FUSION]

Most of those restrictions are for lorries only (picture of a lorry on the sign), rare to see one applying to motorhomes, anyway all French motorhomes are 3500kg regardless of their actual weight.

That will be an Interesting discussion with the gendarmes

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[ShaKen]

Most of those restrictions are for lorries only (picture of a lorry on the sign), rare to see one applying to motorhomes, anyway all French motorhomes are 3500kg regardless of their actual weight.

Yes, not that I’d ever contemplate breaking any law, but I’d expect it would be less severe to be done for speeding (i.e. caught driving at 130kph in a vehicle which is restricted to lower limit) than to be stopped for being over your GVW (which i assume would also nullify your insurance if you had a crash).

 

[Speve]

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[Speve]

(i.e. caught driving at 130kph in a vehicle which is restricted to lower limit) than to be stopped for being over your GVW

I don’t know that I would want to drive any Motorhome at 130kph?

 

[TinaLes]

That made me use to KPH to MPH converter.....Thats nearly 81MPH, I agree too fast for any motor home especially downhill with bends, imagine tyre pressure & temps, blowout just waiting to happen especially on older tyres.
Fit a TPMS like Tyrepal see the readings go up on downhill roads with bends and breaking, you would be amazed at the results you see, and that would be enough to kerb anyone's heavy right foot
Les

 

[ShaKen]

That made me use to KPH to MPH converter.....Thats nearly 81MPH, I agree too fast for any motor home especially downhill with bends, imagine tyre pressure & temps, blowout just waiting to happen especially on older tyres.
Fit a TPMS like Tyrepal see the readings go up on downhill roads with bends and breaking, you would be amazed at the results you see, and that would be enough to kerb anyone's heavy right foot
Les

I’ve got a Tyrepal fitted with Alarms set.

I’m not saying I would drive at 81mph all the time - but my Ford 170hp auto cruises nicely at 70mph and there may be times when overtaking that I do hit 80mph.

Of course, I’m still working full time with limited holidays and live in Scotland with lengthy journeys to/from France; perhaps when I finally retire I might be able to slow down a bit.

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