Update on Importing

[Lenny HB]

Chatting to our Belgium dealer last week and he tells me that from January 2022 a European Certificate of Conformity will no longer be recognised by the UK. He is well clued up on exporting so fairly certain his info will be correct.

I assume then if you import after January you will need an IVA test on the vehicle which will be a pain as there are only a few test centres in the country and usually with long waiting lists.

 

[MichaelT]

Ah Brexit the gift that keeps on giving

 

[Two on Tour]

So how are dealers importing going to go about that then ?

 

[Lenny HB]

So how are dealers importing going to go about that then ?

Will only be a problem on LHD then they will have to apply for an IVA certificate. RHD will will meet UK regs.

 

[Two on Tour]

Naughty boy, you forgot to mention that bit in your opening post.

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[Lenny HB]

Naughty boy, you forgot to mention that bit in your opening post.

You can see clearly even with my crap grammar I was referring to individual imports and I know you know I have imported every van I have had.

 

[barsteward]

So how are dealers importing going to go about that then ?

Charge their customers more.

 

[Jim]

Ah Brexit the gift that keeps on giving

Is there any need for this, or would you prefer every thread to descend into a devisive rerun of the referendum

 

[funflair]

So Lenny HB are you saying that a European Certificate of Conformity will be accepted for RHD imports?

 

[Lenny HB]

So Lenny HB are you saying that a European Certificate of Conformity will be accepted for RHD imports?

I think you will find that RHD ones are produced to a UK spec so will have there own certificate.
The first van we imported was RHD, I didn't have to produce a C of C or get an IVA certificate.

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[barsteward]

So you now have your excuse to order the new one before the deadline whilst your over there.

 

[Lenny HB]

So you now have your excuse to order the new one before the deadline whilst your over there.

No chance of delivery before the deadline. Now if there was I would be working on 'er indoors.

As next time we will probably looking at a Carthago and with them there is not such an advantage buying abroad I wonder if UK dealers will through a wobbly when you want to order a LHD.
There is no way I would have a RHD A Class, even if I went to a PVC I would want LHD.

 

[Robert Clark]

Chatting to our Belgium dealer last week and he tells me that from January 2022 a European Certificate of Conformity will no longer be recognised by the UK. He is well clued up on exporting so fairly certain his info will be correct.

I assume then if you import after January you will need an IVA test on the vehicle which will be a pain as there are only a few test centres in the country and usually with long waiting lists.

Are people like Shoreham Commercials qualified to do IVA test Lenny?

 

[Lenny HB]

Are people like Shoreham Commercials qualified to do IVA test Lenny?

Has to be an offical DVSA test centre.

 

[69473]

So it's not the EU's failure to offer a certificate of conformity, but the Uk deciding not accept it.
Why would you do that, causing more inconvenience for you own citizens.
Thinking about it, its probably a failure of government to understand the consequence of its actions, a familiar theme at present.

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[deleted79651]

I think you will find that RHD ones are produced to a UK spec so will have there own certificate.
The first van we imported was RHD, I didn't have to produce a C of C or get an IVA certificate.

The EU Certificate of Conformity ['EU CoC'] will be replaced by the UK Declaration of Conformity & Marking ['UKDoC'] and the product manufacturer is responsible for drawing up the UKDoC. Now the good news ... 'There is no mandatory format for the UKDoC! But there are some guidelines ...

I have very little [none] knowledge of EU CoC so cannot comment on how/if the UK & EU versions will align [UK 'Guidelines' v EU Regs suggests tensions between the two]; this is not a 'Brexit Comment', just a thought on the consequences of the change of Rules. If the UKDoC varies significantly from the EU CoC, then that presents another potential delay and change of Form Filling/paperwork which will add costs and time to exports and imports, and must run the risk of [especially smaller] EU businesses deciding that this is another reason not to ship to UK

Steve

 

[barsteward]

No chance of delivery before the deadline. Now if there was I would be working on 'er indoors.

As next time we will probably looking at a Carthago and with them there is not such an advantage buying abroad I wonder if UK dealers will through a wobbly when you want to order a LHD.
There is no way I would have a RHD A Class, even if I went to a PVC I would want LHD.

As for the most part I travel alone and do much more mileage in Europe I would have preferred a LHD but at the time RHD was the only one available within my budget.

 

[SpeedyDux]

The EU Certificate of Conformity ['EU CoC'] will be replaced by the UK Declaration of Conformity & Marking ['UKDoC'] and the product manufacturer is responsible for drawing up the UKDoC. Now the good news ... 'There is no mandatory format for the UKDoC! But there are some guidelines ...

I have very little [none] knowledge of EU CoC so cannot comment on how/if the UK & EU versions will align [UK 'Guidelines' v EU Regs suggests tensions between the two]; this is not a 'Brexit Comment', just a thought on the consequences of the change of Rules. If the UKDoC varies significantly from the EU CoC, then that presents another potential delay and change of Form Filling/paperwork which will add costs and time to exports and imports, and must run the risk of [especially smaller] EU businesses deciding that this is another reason not to ship to UK

Steve

In reality will that be significantly different from the UK's current personal import registration requirements? It should be mostly a paper exercise.

We already cope with changing e.g. headlights that dip to the left, speedo reading in mph (easy to do with the digital one expected on the 2022 Ducato), and the one about rear foglights. What else is there?

 

[deleted79651]

Is there any need for this, or would you prefer every thread to descend into a devisive rerun of the referendum

Jim , It's your Forum, and I acknowledge and respect the 'Obey the Rules or There's the Door [via Coventry]' for the sake of all Members. Can I make a plea, though, that if everyone drops references to 'Brexiters' and 'Remainers/Remoaners' and similar pejorative terms; and also confines the opening sentence to: 'As a consequence of Brexit ...' we can be allowed to comment, please?

Because this Thread is a good example; there isa change of UK Regulations that will have a quite profound impact on individuals who wish to import LHD Vans from Europe and there is an awful lot of detail that will need to be researched [and people such as Lenny HB will be at the forefront!] so that the Forum Members can find a Resource that will guide them through the pitfalls and challenges, or possibly dissuade them from bothering to try the Import Option?

Thanks

Steve

 

[gerry mcg]

could there be requirements for the hab doors to be on the UK near side and exhausts on the offside?
The EU PVC with UK off side hab doors have the under chassis exhaust exit on UK near side., whereas AFAIK, K spec PVC with the sliding door on the UK Near side have the exhaust exiting on the off side (I.e away from the kerb)

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[Jim]

Because this Thread is a good example; there isa change of UK Regulations that will have a quite profound impact on individuals who wish to import LHD Vans from Europe

How does a flippant remark like the one in question help anyone? What does it add to the discussion except invite retaliation?

We can discuss the issues thrown up by Brexit, without having to resort to devisive clap trap and keeping the Brexit argument going. We're out, it happened. I've had enough of the division it has caused. I'm sure a lot of others have too.

 

[deleted79651]

How does a flippant remark like the one in question help anyone? What does it add to the discussion except invite retaliation?

We can discuss the issues thrown up by Brexit, without having to resort to devisive clap trap and keeping the Brexit argument going. We're out, it happened. I've had enough of the division it has caused. I'm sure a lot of others have too.

Sorry, Jim,

I was thinking more about the discussion of the practical consequences of Brexit, hence the suggestion that the reference to a completed event be limited to the opening 6 words or so. I don't want to be sent to Coventry, so am looking for clarity. Is it OK to make reference to 'this may result in EU based small businesses deciding not to export to UK ...'?

Steve

 

[rod_vw]

could there be requirements for the hab doors to be on the UK near side and exhausts on the offside?
The EU PVC with UK off side hab doors have the under chassis exhaust exit on UK near side., whereas AFAIK, K spec PVC with the sliding door on the UK Near side have the exhaust exiting on the off side (I.e away from the kerb)

That would remove most of the EU built PVCs from the UK market.

I'm thinking of VW California, GC, Knaus various models etc.

Interesting thought!

 

[SpeedyDux]

How does a flippant remark like the one in question help anyone? What does it add to the discussion except invite retaliation?

We can discuss the issues thrown up by Brexit, without having to resort to devisive clap trap and keeping the Brexit argument going. We're out, it happened. I've had enough of the division it has caused. I'm sure a lot of others have too.

Hear, hear.

Nothing to do with Brexit but I suggest a pragmatic solution to the upcoming MH import difficulties - the UK could switch to driving on the right. Other countries did this change overnight without disastrous consequences. The benefit would be lower new MH prices once the RHD premium is removed.

 

[gerry mcg]

That would remove most of the EU built PVCs from the UK market.

I'm thinking of VW California, GC, Knaus various models etc.

Interesting thought!

Yup.... (Unlikely, but not completely out of the realms of possibility)
They can avoid this at the moment as the vehicles are EU COC.
Possibly Dealer imported ones would be exempt, but a personal import?
Just musing....

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[Jim]

I was thinking more about the discussion of the practical consequences of Brexit

Not sure what your point is. Those things are discussed here all the time. But we can do it without the "That's what you voted for", "Where's your Project Doom now" "That wasn't on the side of the bus" et al. It is just tiresome and unnecessary. We are where we are, let's move on.

 

[gerry mcg]

I think you will find that RHD ones are produced to a UK spec so will have there own certificate.
The first van we imported was RHD, I didn't have to produce a C of C or get an IVA certificate.

My RHD globecar has a standard EU COC, with Paragraph 0.10 c) dealing with the RHD compliance, says
c) zur fortwährenden Teilnahme am Straßenverkehr in Mitgliedstaaten mit Linksverkehr in denen Einheiten des englischen Maßsystems für das Geschwindigkeitsmessgerät werden, zugelassen werden kann.

Which translates as
c) continued participation in road traffic in Member States with left-hand traffic in which units of the English system of measurement for the speedometer can be admitted.

 

[eddie]

Hear, hear.

Nothing to do with Brexit but I suggest a pragmatic solution to the upcoming MH import difficulties - the UK could switch to driving on the right. Other countries did this change overnight without disastrous consequences. The benefit would be lower new MH prices once the RHD premium is removed.

When Switzerland changed over

 

[dunnah01]

The B word principle was to allow divergence from EU Standards. The CoC and (associated CE markings for many products) is fundamentally evidence of compliance with these EU standards so is not aligned to the B Word principle. To allow divergence the UK is busy establishing an Assessment body to confirm compliance to whatever standards the UK adopts for each item (with associated UKCA marking for relevant products). This body has yet to be fully established and the implementation of the UKCA Marking has already been put back by 12 month. Any UK CoC will be specific to the UK and additional to the existing CE marking and CoC already obtained for the product in the EU. EU and UK manufacturers will have to double handle the compliance process if they want to sell in both the EU and the UK so this will inevitably cause delays and additional costs which is where the current problems are arising.

 

[suavecarve]

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When Switzerland changed over

I would suggest we change over gradually

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