UK travellers to be barred from Germany From Sun 23 May

[Tykatem]

Britons will soon be barred from entering Germany after the country’s Public Health Institute designated the UK as a virus variant area of concern.
From midnight on Sunday, May 23, people travelling to Germany from Great Britain and Northern Ireland may only enter the country if they are a German citizen or resident.
Spouses and children under 18 of a German citizen or resident can also enter, as long as the household are travelling together.

Those with an urgent humanitarian reason such as an immediate family bereavement are also able to enter, however anyone entering the country from the UK must quarantine for two weeks on arrival, even if they test negative for the coronavirus.

UK travellers to be barred from Germany amid Covid variant spread

The country’s Public Health Institute designated the UK as a virus variant area of concern.

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Pete

 

[orridge]

It reads as people travelling from the UK to Germany not just Britons so if I happened to be in The Netherlands at the Moment I could still travel to Germany.

 

[PJGWiltshire]

What is not made clear is that direct travel. If France allows uk residents to visit and then one sets off on a trip stays in France for a while then into Germany say after14 days after leaving the uk are you then still required to quarantine

 

[PJGWiltshire]

What is not made clear is that direct travel. If France allows uk residents to visit and then one sets off on a trip stays in France for a while then into Germany say after 14 days after leaving the uk are you then still required to quarantine

 

[PJGWiltshire]

How is that going to effect republic if Ireland travellers/ lorry drivers. Can see this policy hitting the barriers for road users. Is it the case if residents of the uk or nationals. We hold EU passports. So can we go into Germany with uk registered vehicle then when stopped show EU passports. Will that be against freedom of movement ?

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[chaser]

Thought we were already

 

[glenn2926]

It won’t last long. As usual the ones making these decisions will change their minds three or four times this week.

 

[Sandancers]

It won’t last long. As usual the ones making these decisions will change their minds three or four times this week.

At least they acted quicker than Boris did !!

But if the UK was not so good at discovering the variants kicking around. Or didn't report in the media that we had found "xyz" variants in the UK, then how would Germany or others know about it ?

It's all academic anyway as the Indian variant will surely show up in other EU Countries and hence be transferred to Germany before long.

 

[gus-lopez]

lorry drivers.

You remind me of my wife.
Anyone working is not affected. If you are doing any type of work & road travelling in the main the rules do not apply to you.There are no tests required.

 

[gus-lopez]

How is that going to effect republic if Ireland travellers/ lorry drivers. Can see this policy hitting the barriers for road users. Is it the case if residents of the uk or nationals. We hold EU passports. So can we go into Germany with uk registered vehicle then when stopped show EU passports. Will that be against freedom of movement ?

There is no such thing as an "EU" passport.only a passport issued by an EU state.
If you are travelling out of the uk on an irish passport & through the uk then it will affect you.
If you have UK registration plates it will affect you.
Most european law enforcement have no idea that irish can come & go & drive uk vehicles & would err on side of caution & assume you are on the banned list. as above working drivers are exempt even if they travel from Ireland through uk into europe.

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[PJGWiltshire]

At least they acted quicker than Boris did !!

But if the UK was not so good at discovering the variants kicking around. Or didn't report in the media that we had found "xyz" variants in the UK, then how would Germany or others know about it ?

It's all academic anyway as the Indian variant will surely show up in other EU Countries and hence be transferred to Germany before long.

Its already in Germany, they locked down two blocks of plates last week

 

[orridge]

How is that going to effect republic if Ireland travellers/ lorry drivers. Can see this policy hitting the barriers for road users. Is it the case if residents of the uk or nationals. We hold EU passports. So can we go into Germany with uk registered vehicle then when stopped show EU passports. Will that be against freedom of movement ?

It says only German Citizens or Residents that have travelled from the UK/NI will be allowed into Germany so unless you meet that criteria, However it would really only work for flying as once you are on mainland Europe there are virtually limited checks on cross border movements.

 

[Langtoftlad]

At least they acted quicker than Boris did !!

You can't possibly know that...
How long have they been considering the issue.
Is it just a convenient excuse
Without British knowhow with genome sequencing - the Germans [and others] would have little idea about variants.

Remind me again, what the German position is on the AZ vaccine? Approved or not... over 65s, not the under 60's?

 

[PJGWiltshire]

I am of the view that nobody should be travelling out of our own countries until the country you are visiting are near to completion of their vaccine programs. By the end of summer all the EU will be upto pace and I can see unrestricted travel will be allowed. Those jumping off to warmer climates at the moment will be spreading either to those countries or risk bring back variants unknown at the moment and quarantine policy upon return will not work due to enforcement. So not long to go

 

[Grianan]

Its already in Germany, they locked down two blocks of plates last week

I read this morning the Indian variant is currently standing at 2% of all cases in Germany whereas it is poised to be the dominant variant here. Depending on how much genomic sequencing they actually do, the 2% could be the tip of the iceberg.

I’m also if the view that we’re looking at autumn at the earliest for widespread freedom of travel.

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[Larrynwin]

I read this morning the Indian variant is currently standing at 2% of all cases in Germany whereas it is poised to be the dominant variant here. Depending on how much genomic sequencing they actually do, the 2% could be the tip of the iceberg.

I’m also if the view that we’re looking at autumn at the earliest for widespread freedom of travel.

Is “poised to be” more than 2% of all cases in U.K. ? That 2% could also become the dominant strain in Germany and elsewhere if they made the information public.
Looks like the difference is that the U.K. announce when a new variant is found and what the risks could be whereas others in Europe play their cards close to their chest.

 

[Grianan]

Is “poised to be” more than 2% of all cases in U.K. ? That 2% could also become the dominant strain in Germany and elsewhere if they made the information public.
Looks like the difference is that the U.K. announce when a new variant is found and what the risks could be whereas others in Europe play their cards close to their chest.

No I think it’s more than 2% here. I’m sure I read 7% and BBC quoted it as being dominant here on 19th May. I don’t understand how 7% is dominant.

Agreed we are more open and possibly do more testing. I think ultimately it will become dominant in Germany too ... until the next variant.

 

[deleted79651]

No I think it’s more than 2% here. I’m sure I read 7% and BBC quoted it as being dominant here on 19th May. I don’t understand how 7% is dominant.

Agreed we are more open and possibly do more testing. I think ultimately it will become dominant in Germany too ... until the next variant.

I think the 'dominant' adjective is used because the Indian Variant is the most frequent strain seen in Tests, and also because of the rapid increase in reported infections. Some 3 or 4 days ago, Indian Variant cases were reported as 160% higher than they were 3 days previously. It's a feature of modern, rolling news; journalists don't have the time to consider their choice of vocabulary, nor to give much background/contextual information. This seems to follow later in 'Feature Articles' written by 3 or 4 journos, with further information syndicated by PA et al.

Steve

 

[Larrynwin]

No I think it’s more than 2% here. I’m sure I read 7% and BBC quoted it as being dominant here on 19th May. I don’t understand how 7% is dominant.

Agreed we are more open and possibly do more testing. I think ultimately it will become dominant in Germany too ... until the next variant.

I wonder just how many variants occur across the water , 27 EU countries many with still high infection rates and yet we rarely hear of a variant carrying a “European name” , food for thought

 

[buttons]

I wonder just how many variants occur across the water , 27 EU countries many with still high infection rates and yet we rarely hear of a variant carrying a “European name” , food for thought

Yeah they even managed to duck responsibility for the Kent variant which originated in France. Still we have brought the Indian variant on ourselves through the stupidity of not dealing with the situation before it got out of hand.

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[Rapido925M]

The media convention is to name it after the place where it is first discovered/reported: so the "Kent", "Indian", "Brazilian", "South African" etc variants are promulgated by the press.
Scientists tend to give them much more specific names eg B.1.617, etc

The World Health Organization (WHO) in 2015 published best practices for disease naming, which advised that scientists should refrain from using geographic locations or people's names, animal species or food,

For the novel coronavirus variants specifically, any with the "B.1" label indicates that the variant is related to the outbreak in Italy in spring of last year. Scientists have since identified numerous versions of the B.1 variant—but they typically make headlines only when they present a change in the virus' behavior: for example, when a variant appears to be more readily transmissible than the original virus (as with B.1.1.7, the novel coronavirus variant first identified in Britain) or if a variant seems less vulnerable to the immune response (as with B.1.351, the variant first identified in South Africa).

B.1.135? B.1.1.7? Why the coronavirus variants names don't make sense—and how we can do better.

The increasingly

www.advisory.com

Gordon

 

[busby]

How is that going to effect republic if Ireland travellers/ lorry drivers. Can see this policy hitting the barriers for road users. Is it the case if residents of the uk or nationals. We hold EU passports. So can we go into Germany with uk registered vehicle then when stopped show EU passports. Will that be against freedom of movement ?

Think truck drivers will be exempt.BUSBY.

 

[RubyOptics]

Is it just a convenient excuse

Excuse for what, exactly?

Without British knowhow with genome sequencing - the Germans [and others] would have little idea about variants.

Really? Anything to back this up other than a surfeit of patriotism?!

 

[Langtoftlad]

Excuse for what, exactly?

Really? Anything to back this up other than a surfeit of patriotism?!

Their own vaccination ineptitude perhaps?

Britain as a world leader in sequencing... how many links would you like?
Here's just one:
https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/emea/uk-share-genomics-expertise-identify-covid-19-variants

 

[Langtoftlad]

surfeit of patriotism

Is that actually possible?
One is either patriotic or not.

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[RubyOptics]

Their own vaccination ineptitude perhaps?

Britain as a world leader in sequencing... how many links would you like?
Here's just one:
https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/emea/uk-share-genomics-expertise-identify-covid-19-variants

Your quote basically stated that the world would be clueless regarding anything to do with any possible Covid variants without the UK. This is patently untrue.

Is that actually possible?
One is either patriotic or not.

Yes, of course it is possible. I can be proud of my country without needing to believe that it is beyond compare, excels in every area compared to any other country or that its government is beyond reproach. At that point you have gone beyond mere patriotism.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Your quote basically stated that the world would be clueless regarding anything to do with any possible Covid variants without the UK. This is patently untrue.

Yes, of course it is possible. I can be proud of my country without needing to believe that it is beyond compare, excels in every area compared to any other country or that its government is beyond reproach. At that point you have gone beyond mere patriotism.

Enjoy your argument

 

[Larrynwin]

Yeah they even managed to duck responsibility for the Kent variant which originated in France. Still we have brought the Indian variant on ourselves through the stupidity of not dealing with the situation before it got out of hand.

The Indian variant could well have landed in Europe before it arrived here but as I posted earlier EU countries are not as forthcoming as U.K. wonder what the real reason is that U.K. is on Germany’s red list, I think it’s called politics Buttons.

 

[buttons]

The Indian variant could well have landed in Europe before it arrived here but as I posted earlier EU countries are not as forthcoming as U.K. wonder what the real reason is that U.K. is on Germany’s red list, I think it’s called politics Buttons.

Having had a German grandmother Larry I should trust the German's

 

[Larrynwin]

Having had a German grandmother Larry I should trust the German's

The people are probably ok as with most countries it’s the politicians

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