Travelling in Schengen as 'married'

[nicholsong]

I know the rules that as a married couple(civil partner) one can travel together, without the 90/180 day restriction. if one has a EU passport and the other half does not.

People often maintain their previous names for their passport, even after marriage, particularly common in some countries.

My question is have any of you when crossing a Schengen border on passports in different names ever been asked to produce a marriage certificate, or copy thereof?

We are not married, I have a UK passport and Basia a Polish one and travel in a Polish-registered MH.

From others' experience what are the chances of being challenged about one's marital status? If challenged would a mocked-up photocopy of a marriage certificate in Polish satisfy most border guards?

A naughty idea, but then the rules about whether you can travel together for longer than 90/180, totally dependent on one's marital status are somewhat bizarre in themselves. I can understand the rules being in existence for inheritance or tax purposes, but for travel within Schengen for more than 90 days seems a bit ridiculous when one is in a long-term partnership.

[Anyone suggesting we get married, which would have inheritance implications under Polish law, against my wishes in my Will, will get blocked ]

Geoff

 

[Brains]

Yep.

A mate of mine is Irish, his wife is Korean, their children are British.

They have been stopped so many times that they carry their marriage certificate and the children's birth certificates every time they cross a border.

 

[nicholsong]

Yep.

A mate of mine is Irish, his wife is Korean, their children are British.

They have been stopped so many times that they carry their marriage certificate and the children's birth certificates every time they cross a border.

Possibly skin colour coming into play?

We easily define as N. Europeans.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Ooer,,

 

[Bailey58]

I've just realised after many months and threads on the subject that my wife has a Danish passport so maybe many of these problems won't affect us. Well I knew she had a Danish passport but you know what I mean!

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[Brains]

Possibly skin colour coming into play?

We easily define as N. Europeans.

Almost definitely.

However it's worse if you are caught "travelling whilst black"

Several times over the last decade I've taken large groups of mostly middle-class white teenagers into the EU.
One black kid, one middle eastern looking kid.
At multiple border crossings so predictable were the customs authorities that every time they stopped either one of them and never the white kids that the entire group used to laugh and cat call the Customs guys for being racist.

From an educational point of view, it completely confirmed to a large group of teenagers that authorities are institutionally racist.

 

[2657]

I know the rules that as a married couple(civil partner) one can travel together, without the 90/180 day restriction. if one has a EU passport and the other half does not.

People often maintain their previous names for their passport, even after marriage, particularly common in some countries.

My question is have any of you when crossing a Schengen border on passports in different names ever been asked to produce a marriage certificate, or copy thereof?

We are not married, I have a UK passport and Basia a Polish one and travel in a Polish-registered MH.

From others' experience what are the chances of being challenged about one's marital status? If challenged would a mocked-up photocopy of a marriage certificate in Polish satisfy most border guards?

A naughty idea, but then the rules about whether you can travel together for longer than 90/180, totally dependent on one's marital status are somewhat bizarre in themselves. I can understand the rules being in existence for inheritance or tax purposes, but for travel within Schengen for more than 90 days seems a bit ridiculous when one is in a long-term partnership.

[Anyone suggesting we get married, which would have inheritance implications under Polish law, against my wishes in my Will, will get blocked ]

Geoff

I thought that you had Polish residency?

 

[nicholsong]

I thought that you had Polish residency?

I do have Polish residency which gives me the right to stay in Poland as long as I like, residency in any EU country only gives the right to travel in the rest of Schengen for 90 days in 180 days the same as any non-Schengen citizen, including the UK.

If one has Citizenship in an EU country then one has full freedom of movement.

Of course there is little chance of being checked within Schengen, so one might get away with travelling beyond the 90 days, especially even if one got checked one said that one had 'only left Poland last week', i.e. one was on day 7 of 90, or if stopped at day 83 that one would be back in Poland in 3 days.

Geoff

 

[2657]

I do have Polish residency which gives me the right to stay in Poland as long as I like, residency in any EU country only gives the right to travel in the rest of Schengen for 90 days in 180 days the same as any non-Schengen citizen, including the UK.

If one has Citizenship in an EU country then one has full freedom of movement.

Of course there is little chance of being checked within Schengen, so one might get away with travelling beyond the 90 days, especially even if one got checked one said that one had 'only left Poland last week', i.e. one was on day 7 of 90, or if stopped at day 83 that one would be back in Poland in 3 days.

Geoff

I have Portuguese residency and understand those rules, what is the point of worrying about a situation that is unlikely to come to light
The whole point of Schengen is for there to be no border checks and what would be the consequences of overstaying?
If you have residency in a Schengen state then surely they cannot bar you from re entering the Schengen area if subsequently leave.

 

[Raul]

My wife and I carry marriage cert at all times. However, depending on state to state, some are very very picky. She has a confirmation name on marriage certificate that’s not appearing on passport or driving licence. She had to do a depol to change her passport to match the marriage licence. Now we are doing a transcript of the Uk one to a Romanian. The UK marriage licence as it is is not valid proof for residency application. And UK apostle for every document that goes into the application.

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[Martist]

I have seen four quasi border checks inside the Schengen zone in the last three years. Instead of checks being done at the border police control points are set up a mile or two later. Typically on motorways they divert all the traffic off the motorway at a junction, do their controls and let you back on. I've seen that between Austria and Germany, Germany - France, and Belgium - France. I can't remember where the fourth was! They appear to stop very few vehicles, possibly skipping any national number plates. I was an easy target, stopped every time with my Turkish number plates.

 

[Martist]

Unexpected Schengen difficulties - 1
About 5 years ago a Turkish student whom I knew obtained a visa for a flight to Sweden in the Schengen zone for educational purposes. On the return trip she had some spare time and since Germany is in the Schengen zone she flew there for a couple of days. On arrival there was no passport control, presumable because it was a domestic terminal. Later, when she left for Turkey in international departures she was taken aside for questioning. Apparently on entry she should have presented her passport for checking, even though there was no obvious place to do so. Apparently her variant of visa did not allow her to have freedom of movement in the Schengen area. She was fined and banned from re-entry for 3 years. We tend to think that once we're inside the Schengen zone that we are free to travel anywhere throughout Europe, and for most holiday makers we are, but check the small print!

 

[Gromett]

I know the rules that as a married couple(civil partner) one can travel together, without the 90/180 day restriction. if one has a EU passport and the other half does not.

People often maintain their previous names for their passport, even after marriage, particularly common in some countries.

My question is have any of you when crossing a Schengen border on passports in different names ever been asked to produce a marriage certificate, or copy thereof?

We are not married, I have a UK passport and Basia a Polish one and travel in a Polish-registered MH.

From others' experience what are the chances of being challenged about one's marital status? If challenged would a mocked-up photocopy of a marriage certificate in Polish satisfy most border guards?

A naughty idea, but then the rules about whether you can travel together for longer than 90/180, totally dependent on one's marital status are somewhat bizarre in themselves. I can understand the rules being in existence for inheritance or tax purposes, but for travel within Schengen for more than 90 days seems a bit ridiculous when one is in a long-term partnership.

[Anyone suggesting we get married, which would have inheritance implications under Polish law, against my wishes in my Will, will get blocked ]

Geoff

No matter how unlikely, if you get caught I suspect that it would be an arrestable offence and at best you may be banned from the EU. At worst you may have a fine or even prison for fraud?

 

[Martist]

Unexpected Schengen difficulties - 2
15 years ago, living in Turkey and with European citizenship, I brought my Turkish wife's family to England. They had Schengen visas for crossing Europe. On the way back I crossed from France into Switzerland on a minor road where there was a controlled border crossing because at that time Switzerland wasn't in the Schengen zone. The border guards were debating whether to let us through and eventually they did. When it came to leaving towards Italy again there was debate, we were asked a couple of times how we got into Switzerland. All very odd but then they let us through. At the Italian side we were refused entry. The border guard spoke only Italian. He said that the Schengen visa that we had only allowed entry into the Schengen zone twice and by coming out of it into Switzerland we had no further right to enter Schengen again! I could enter but the family couldn't! He was right of course we hadn't examined the small print. The Swiss wouldn't let us back either so were we to live forever more in the few hundred meters between Switzerland and Italy? Something had to give. And it did. We showed our pre-booked tickets from Trieste to Turkey. Phone calls to bosses were made and we were allowed entry. Again, read the small print!

 

[gus-lopez]

o matter how unlikely, if you get caught I suspect that it would be an arrestable offence and at best you may be banned

He can't be banned from the EU with residency under the Withdrawal act (WA) That is the nonsensical thing about it. If you have a 10 year 'Permanent resident' ID card you cannot be expelled for anything basically. We have the same rights as nationals.
Within the european union schengen areas we can all travel on the ID card alone.No passport is needed & as you do not have to show it anywhere no one has any idea where you came from, when you came, how long you have been there?

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[Manxcat]

I'm afraid this is not correct. I have an email from Brussels confirming that I am subject to schengen rules even though my wife (half French and eligible for Irish passport) is not. The rules change if we had residence in the Schengen area.

 

[gus-lopez]

I'm afraid this is not correct. I have an email from Brussels confirming that I am subject to schengen rules even though my wife (half French and eligible for Irish passport) is not. The rules change if we had residence in the Schengen area.

What is not correct? Ypu should quote the post you are replying to help the rest of us have any idea.