Traveling in a toad? (1 Viewer)

[Linda and Steph]

You know when you’re sitting down with nothing to occupy your mind? Well, a thought jumped into mine the other day.

Can you carry passengers in a toad? They would be travelling in a braked trailer, wearing seatbelts, so would that be legal?

 

[pappajohn]

No.
You can't carry passengers in any kind of trailer, even a caravan.

 

[mpdcymru]

as far as I am aware it is illegal to carry passengers in a trailer with the sole exception of an articulated bus.

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[pappajohn]

as far as I am aware it is illegal to carry passengers in a trailer with the sole exception of an articulated bus.

That's true, but that's not a trailer..
It's not detachable and if it was the front end would fall over... It only has two wheels.

My mistake, could swear I've seen a 4 wheel bendy.
Still not a trailer in the true sense though

 

[two]

Is that why immigrants are illegal?

 

[TheBig1]

sorry but this has to be a wind up? surely nobody would be that stupid? well other than Dianne Abbot, Corbyn's lover

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[Kev and Carolyn]

as far as I am aware it is illegal to carry passengers in a trailer with the sole exception of an articulated bus.

AN articulted bus doe not come into the category of a towed trailer or vehicle. The reason being ..the pivotal point on the articulation point of a bus..is actually classed as a part of its construction and not an addition.
That aside...its illegal to carry passengers in anything towed! Google it!

 

[Mr Chrysalis]

Ok, it’s illegal. So we don’t do it. But the OP has a good academic point, why not? Impact from sides and back would be no more dangerous than travelling in the car when it was being driven, and impact from the front would be fully protected by the Motorhome. Sounds pretty safe. I must be missing something

 

[Burgo]

as far as I am aware it is illegal to carry passengers in a trailer with the sole exception of an articulated bus.

What about the "wally trollies" - the imitation steam trains towing a string of trailers used by sight seers - in tourist towns?

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[jongood]

What about the "wally trollies" - the imitation steam trains towing a string of trailers used by sight seers - in tourist towns?

they're French so the rules aren't relevant.

 

[emjaiuk]

they're French so the rules aren't relevant.

There's one in Bournmouth I think

Malcolm

 

[pappajohn]

What about the "wally trollies" - the imitation steam trains towing a string of trailers used by sight seers - in tourist towns?

You could say the same about real trains.
They aren't road going vehicles as far as construction and use regs are concerned... They are a tourist ride.

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[Vic]

They are limited to 20mph, same as carnival floats etc.

 

[Ninovan]

What about when you are recovered, as I was, one time many years ago by the AA with a solid tow behind a Transit. Not on a dolly, a solid tow bar! Not a particularly nice experience being about 5 or 6 feet behind, steering the car only being able to see the back end of the van or edging out to the right so you can see(ish) the road

 

[tacr2man]

Its safer to tow on a solid bar than on a rope , as the braking is taken care of by the towing vehicle , not relying on 2nd driver reaction. The main thing tho is to stay in line otherwise it doesn't work !!! In many bendy buses the engine is in the second part
so its pushing the "trailer" , so not a trailer as such

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[Northernraider]

There's one in Bournmouth I think

Malcolm

And all over Spain


Where toads are illegal

 

[Northernraider]

What about when you are recovered, as I was, one time many years ago by the AA with a solid tow behind a Transit. Not on a dolly, a solid tow bar! Not a particularly nice experience being about 5 or 6 feet behind, steering the car only being able to see the back end of the van or edging out to the right so you can see(ish) the road

Mange tout

 

[pappajohn]

What about when you are recovered, as I was, one time many years ago by the AA with a solid tow behind a Transit. Not on a dolly, a solid tow bar! Not a particularly nice experience being about 5 or 6 feet behind, steering the car only being able to see the back end of the van or edging out to the right so you can see(ish) the road

If memory serves its no longer legal to tow on a rope or chain, it has to be a rigid bar.

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[pappajohn]

They are limited to 20mph, same as carnival floats etc.

That will come under road locomotive rules then.
Any vehicle towing multiple trailers restricted to 20 mph.

 

[Pausim]

There's one in Bournmouth I think

Malcolm

There is but it runs along the promenade, which is not part of the highway.

 

[busby]

Its safer to tow on a solid bar than on a rope , as the braking is taken care of by the towing vehicle , not relying on 2nd driver reaction. The main thing tho is to stay in line otherwise it doesn't work !!! In many bendy buses the engine is in the second part
so its pushing the "trailer" , so not a trailer as such

Construction and users act covers Bendy Bus now,,BUSBY.

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[busby]

Mange tout

Illegal now,,BUSBY.

 

[Ninovan]

If memory serves its no longer legal to tow on a rope or chain, it has to be a rigid bar.

I think you may be right now, but then, it was not a nice experience! I certainly wouldn't want to do it again, rigid bar or toad. At least with a bar, if you were being towed & steering, you had a little lateral movement to be able to nudge out & see the road. Bit iffy with the brakes though

 

[Northernraider]

Illegal now,,BUSBY.

What!!!!! They've made delboy phrases illegal

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[tacr2man]

Construction and users act covers Bendy Bus now,,BUSBY.

Since 82 relevant to this IIRC

 

[Minxy]

Ok, it’s illegal. So we don’t do it. But the OP has a good academic point, why not? Impact from sides and back would be no more dangerous than travelling in the car when it was being driven, and impact from the front would be fully protected by the Motorhome. Sounds pretty safe. I must be missing something

Yes, a trailer isn't anything like as stable as the vehicle towing it ... would you really want to be sat in a caravan when its being towed? How many times do we hear about them being flipped over ... I'll stick to being in the main vehicle!

 

[TheBig1]

There is but it runs along the promenade, which is not part of the highway.

correct and another on the footpath at Hengistbury head both only do about 10mph

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[busby]

What!!!!! They've made delboy phrases illegal

Will be after BREXIT,,and Cul de Sac,, BUSBY

 

[mpdcymru]

That's true, but that's not a trailer..
It's not detachable and if it was the front end would fall over... It only has two wheels.

My mistake, could swear I've seen a 4 wheel bendy.
Still not a trailer in the true sense though

Not strictly true, The Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) Regulations 1986 defines an “articulated bus” as “a bus so constructed that—

(a) it can be divided into two parts, both of which are vehicles and one of which is a motor vehicle, but cannot be so divided without the use of facilities normally available only at a workshop; and

(b) passengers carried by it can at all times pass from either part to the other.”

A trailer does not have to be detachable - witness the number of showmens trailers, and others, that actually have a bar welded accross the fifth wheel king pin to prevent the semi-trailer becoming detached.

 

[mpdcymru]

What about the "wally trollies" - the imitation steam trains towing a string of trailers used by sight seers - in tourist towns?

These vehicles are operated under an Individual Vehicle Special Order (Section 44 of the Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) Regulations 1986. They need the consent of the Secretary of State for Transport and they are operated on strictly pre-defined routes and times.

One of many interesting thing about these vehicles is that the driving licence required is a B + E or C + E (depending on the weight of the towing vehicle) and not a D + E which would be normal for a passenger carrying vehicle!

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