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[motorhomelover]

Could we possibly fit a tracker to Motorhomelovers sense of humour?

It appears to have gone walkies.

it is ok
i think jj and i are really not having a go at each other

well i hope we are not

 

[motorhomelover]

Could we possibly fit a tracker to Motorhomelovers sense of humour?

It appears to have gone walkies.

i just realized what you had written silly me
if you do not like what i say do not read it just click the box top right of your screen

my sense of humour is quite fine thank you

cheeky bugger posting such a remark about me
how dare you

 

[Chris]

i just realized what you had written silly me
if you do not like what i say do not read it just click the box top right of your screen

my sense of humour is quite fine thank you

cheeky bugger posting such a remark about me
how dare you

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[JJ]

Motorhomelover and I are fine for the moment...:thumb:

However, my people are still going over his post about my Boiled Egg survey to see if it in anyway suggests I am a Tory.

If the legal department says he has made such a vicious accusation then there will be trouble...:Angry:

(just in case... I better add... )

JJ :Cool:

 

[motorhomelover]

Motorhomelover and I are fine for the moment...:thumb:

However, my people are still going over his post about my Boiled Egg survey to see if it in anyway suggests I am a Tory.

If the legal department says he has made such a vicious accusation then there will be trouble...:Angry:

(just in case... I better add... )

JJ :Cool:

your more the red under the bed type JJ oh:

 

[GJH]

your more the red under the bed type JJ oh:

Bit risky that. You will have his people after you. Sky blue under the bed maybe - but never red

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[carry on then]

so i thought i would investigate these trackers after reading the thread . Naturally i looked up the one with the same brand name as the device and this is what i found
In 2005, TRACKER became a wholly owned subsidiary of the Insurance division of the Royal Bank of Scotland Group. With the backing of a major international banking group behind us, you can rest assured we're here for the long term.

also on the same site, they claim it works in 30 countries !! all well and good until you realise there's over 190 countries in the world

then i went and read the 'How to disassemble a VW' thread
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My question is, if the owner of the VW had a tracker fitted,. which bit of the car did he get back ? oh:

So your looking at a cost of £500 plus for 5 years protection, but how much do you save on insurance in that same period for having one fitted ?
I had a tracker on a car i bought, and in all honestly, after enquiring with my insurance firm, it didnt exactly save me a great deal .

A friend of mine had Tracker fitted on quite a few bits of plant, sadly it didn't stop his JCB making it to Turkey though.

Dont be fooled that a tracker is the be all end all security device, its not

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[motorhomelover]

so i thought i would investigate these trackers after reading the thread . Naturally i looked up the one with the same brand name as the device and this is what i found
In 2005, TRACKER became a wholly owned subsidiary of the Insurance division of the Royal Bank of Scotland Group. With the backing of a major international banking group behind us, you can rest assured we're here for the long term.

also on the same site, they claim it works in 30 countries !! all well and good until you realise there's over 190 countries in the world

then i went and read the 'How to disassemble a VW' thread
Broken Link Removed

My question is, if the owner of the VW had a tracker fitted,. which bit of the car did he get back ? oh:

So your looking at a cost of £500 plus for 5 years protection, but how much do you save on insurance in that same period for having one fitted ?
I had a tracker on a car i bought, and in all honestly, after enquiring with my insurance firm, it didnt exactly save me a great deal .

A friend of mine had Tracker fitted on quite a few bits of plant, sadly it didn't stop his JCB making it to Turkey though.

Dont be fooled that a tracker is the be all end all security device, its not

your right the old tracker is not that good no GPS real time surveillance

they rely on the police picking up a beep signal with only a short range
the sooner the theft is found the sooner or less time the criminal has to move and dissapear the goods

the old addage prevention is better than a cure springs to mind

if you are tying to say the systems are not worth it I got life time cover for less than £300
not alot when I paid £20K for the RV
the proof will, be in the pudding should my RV ever become the target of the low life criminal

i know it works as i triggered the alarm and got a phone call with in 3 minuets not bad service if you ask me

 

[eddie]

so i thought i would investigate these trackers after reading the thread . Naturally i looked up the one with the same brand name as the device and this is what i found
In 2005, TRACKER became a wholly owned subsidiary of the Insurance division of the Royal Bank of Scotland Group. With the backing of a major international banking group behind us, you can rest assured we're here for the long term.

oh:They still are! It is not big secret, Direct Line wanted Tracker because Norwich Union (in those days) bought RAC Trackstar. So the two biggest insurance companies bought the two biggest and most commercially successful tracking systems. Norwich Union tried to Patent the phrase "Pay As You Go" Insurance and the plan was to charge you as and when you used your vehicle, elevating the cost of the risk accordingly. The were turned down, and the plan shelved for future use!

also on the same site, they claim it works in 30 countries !! all well and good until you realise there's over 190 countries in the world

Er I think that we are worried about the ones with roads, and access! I doubt that many motorhomes are stolen and taken far

My question is, if the owner of the VW had a tracker fitted,. which bit of the car did he get back ?

The security concerns of cars are different to motorhomes.

So your looking at a cost of £500 plus for 5 years protection, but how much do you save on insurance in that same period for having one fitted ?

It depends on your premium. Caravan Guard for example will give you 30% discount for an approved tracking system. if your premium is £1000 a year, then 30% of £1000 multiplied by the five years will be £1,500.00 so a saving of a £1000.00 or £200.00 a year:thumb:

I had a tracker on a car i bought, and in all honestly, after enquiring with my insurance firm, it didnt exactly save me a great deal

It depends on the value of vehicle and that is not just monetary. You are unlikely to have much in the way of value in a car. In a motorhome, many of us have a copy of our houses, so if stolen and then returned to us a couple of hours later, undamaged, not riffled not ragged I for one would be delighted!

A friend of mine had Tracker fitted on quite a few bits of plant, sadly it didn't stop his JCB making it to Turkey though.

How did they know it went to Turkey then?

Dont be fooled that a tracker is the be all end all security device, its not

I agree, but for some of us getting insurance without one isn't an option.

If money is tight an it is a toss up between a decent alarm system or a tracking system, have the alarm. If you can afford both then do so and sleep just a little easier at night!

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[JJ]

your more the red under the bed type JJ oh:

I am sorry... you can push a man too far...

Tory, detestable as it is, is at least understandable given my "silver spoon with diamond encrusted handle" upbringing and vast wealth...

but... to suggest I might be a ...

RED​

is disgraceful and unforgivable. :Angry:

No Christmas Card or Fray Bentos Pie treats for you young man!!!

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JJ :Cool:

 

[carry on then]

How did they know it went to Turkey then?

It came to light some 2 years after it went missing. Parts where ordered from somewhere in Turkey and it triggered an alert on JCB's system.( chassis number i think he said).

The actual machine was never found though. When whoever ordered the parts was questioned over the chassis number they claimed they had got it completely wrong and gave a totally differant number instead, which turned out to be the wrong model machine for the parts they wanted to order.
He did follow it up, but Turkey is/was that corrupt he was getting no where with any authorities and it was costing money to pursue.
He got paid out on his insurance ....eventually! , although he paid the price the following years for it with his premiums.

 

[motorhomelover]

if you are running a motor home on a shoe string may be you should consider if you should have one at all

I did not buy mine until i could afford it if i had to ask how much will it cost me to run / insure/ repair/ pay monthly i would not have got it

I may be lucky i paid cash for mine and i pay cash for all the upkeep
i can afford to have it and run it and know all to well that the low life scum will go out of their way to remove it from my possession

that is why i put a top to the rang alarm/ Tracking system solar power, battery power to run all i need when wild camping

there are many motorhomes on the market not maintained as they should be maintained through lack of funds I would not want to be the one who buy`s this kind of problem motor

it is not my fault many seam to live beyond their own means that is up to them
I do not and i make no apology for being able to do what i can do
i have my opinion and may express it on here
i in no way make judgement on any individual personally

i do not intend any offense to any one
if you do not like my comments or disagree with me that is fine by me just dont come back at me personally i do not name any one personally in any slight in any way

i have an opinion and will say what i think regardless of other peoples thoughts

read it and chill out its only an internet site not reality

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[motorhomelover]

It came to light some 2 years after it went missing. Parts where ordered from somewhere in Turkey and it triggered an alert on JCB's system.( chassis number i think he said).

The actual machine was never found though. When whoever ordered the parts was questioned over the chassis number they claimed they had got it completely wrong and gave a totally differant number instead, which turned out to be the wrong model machine for the parts they wanted to order.
He did follow it up, but Turkey is/was that corrupt he was getting no where with any authorities and it was costing money to pursue.
He got paid out on his insurance ....eventually! , although he paid the price the following years for it with his premiums.

thanks for your input
the insurers always seam to win in the end
pay out in one hand up your premium the next

modern tracker would trigger well before they could leave the UK

 

[Popeye]

your right the old tracker is not that good no GPS real time surveillance

they rely on the police picking up a beep signal with only a short range
the sooner the theft is found the sooner or less time the criminal has to move and dissapear the goods

the old addage prevention is better than a cure springs to mind

if you are tying to say the systems are not worth it I got life time cover [HI]for less than £300 [/HI]
not alot [HI]when I paid £20K[/HI] for the RV
the proof will, be in the pudding should my RV ever become the target of the low life criminal

i know it works as i triggered the alarm and got a phone call with in 3 minuets not bad service if you ask me

Yesterday you said and I quote

"Did it not have a tracker system fitted????

the first thing i did when i got my RV was to fit the smart track system and a fully integrated alarm system

ok [HI]it was over £1000 .00[/HI]

but to protect over [HI]£30K investment[/HI] money well spent i say

sorry but i have little sentiment if you did not have the security on your van as they are a value item and will always be a target to undesirable low life scum who steal anything they can"

This is obviously a much better system than the old one as you refer to it.

So how much is this all singing and dancing tracker system, the figures you have supplied so far, are to say the very least, Confusing?

 

[Jim]

I may have a really good deal for Funsters on a tracking system. Hopefully I'll be able to tell you more tomorrow :thumb:

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[eddie]

Here is the reality though. Some of us have got boats, and I assure you that the security is a lot worse than it is on motorhomes.

Yet the insurance Companies despite boats on average, having much higher values don't require tracking systems and alarm systems. We have tried and tried to crack the marine security market, to slowly come to the conclusion...There isn't one

This is because historically they don't get stolen, so statistically alarms and trackers are not required.:thumb:

Equally statistical from a historic loss point of view, the installation of alarms and tracking devices reduces loss.

That is all it is about! Statistics and minimising loss!

Eddie

 

[Popeye]

Here is the reality though. Some of us have got boats, and I assure you that the security is a lot worse than it is on motorhomes.

Yet the insurance Companies despite boats on average, having much higher values don't require tracking systems and alarm systems. We have tried and tried to crack the marine security market, to slowly come to the conclusion...There isn't one

[HI]This is because historically they don't get stolen[/HI], so statistically alarms and trackers are not required.:thumb:

Equally statistical from a historic loss point of view, the installation of alarms and tracking devices reduces loss.

That is all it is about! Statistics and minimising loss!

Eddie

Well I have news for you (fast)Eddie, the reason my boat has not been stolen is that when I secure her to the pontoon, I disregard all those fancy knots and splices and put an extra granny in the line and that foxes them.

The Muppets can't undo the lines.

Joking apart, the famous Frenchman who stole luxury sailing boats to order for almost fifteen years was finally caught almost by accident.

Still strikes me as strange that we don't suffer more theft, considering the fact that they are only tied to a pontoon.

Having said that, there is a spate of outboard and dinghy theft still here at Port Solent, and in fact all through the Solent.

Small light easy to dispose of, whereas 30 foot up to 60 foot anything from 7 tone to 50 tone would need some specialist lifting gear and transport or sail overseas and risk being spotted at your next port of call...:thumb:

 

[ShiftZZ]

Eddie

Not so my fluffly little friend...

When Mercantile Marine was still going they had no end of losses, one ended up in Spain and we had to pay to have it recovered and the recovery agent was on the fiddle... I soon put an end to his messing about....


Funniest one ever, bloke took out a Marine loan, bought a plane, filled it up with on of our credit cards and that the last we saw of him..


They also lent money on 6 very specialised boats, none of them even existed besides the original mould in someone back yard.


I must write this book....

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[eddie]

Well I have news for you (fast)Eddie, the reason my boat has not been stolen is that when I secure her to the pontoon, I disregard all those fancy knots and splices and put an extra granny in the line and that foxes them.

The Muppets can't undo the lines.

Joking apart, the famous Frenchman who stole luxury sailing boats to order for almost fifteen years was finally caught almost by accident.

Still strikes me as strange that we don't suffer more theft, considering the fact that they are only tied to a pontoon.

Having said that, there is a spate of outboard and dinghy theft still here at Port Solent, and in fact all through the Solent.

Small light easy to dispose of, whereas 30 foot up to 60 foot anything from 7 tone to 50 tone would need some specialist lifting gear and transport or sail overseas and risk being spotted at your next port of call...:thumb:

Most of the marine systems we sell are more aimed at power monitoring, ensuring that shore power isn't interrupted and remote activation by GSM of things like Air Con, central heating, dehumidifiers

Higher value boat theft just isn't an issue

Eddie

 

[buttons]

I was in Norfolk last year and a number of outboards were reported as stolen from secured fixings. The thieves used a power saw to cut through the transom and lift the engine away with locks attached. Only as good as its weakest point.

 

[eddie]

I was in Norfolk last year and a number of outboards were reported as stolen from secured fixings. The thieves used a power saw to cut through the transom and lift the engine away with locks attached. Only as good as its weakest point.

Oh I agree that outboard motors, Personal Water Craft (PWC) and trailer'able boats are stolen.

I was referring to the fact that high value stuff, doesn't tend to get nicked, so insurers do not insist on trackers and alarms being installed as they do not see an increase in risk!

The fact that many insurance companies see such a risk regarding motorhomes, and the insurers insistence that security devices means, despite what some people with truthfully little evidence, that security devices don't work are wrong and in the main they do!

Eddie

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[rainbow chasers]

To answer a few comments here regarding tracking systems in general.

You may or may not make a saving on your insurance premium. Some do give large discounts, some only offer a measely £25.

What you WILL save by getting your vehicle back, is the 15-25% loss when it comes to the insurers paying out, which is average reduction - this will be readf out to you in all the blurb you pay little attention to when you buy your insurance.

In which case, only you can decide if £600 investment and a saving of £25/year is worth putting up with, if it means you don't have to pay your £500 excess and lose a percentage of your homes value (lets say £10,000 on a 40K van)

As for Marine trackers, they are handy for boat theft though many owners actually use them for more 'mundane' uses, such as 'Where the heck is my boat now??' - Useful to some in tidal moorings where they often slip anchor and head off down the estuary.

I did have a customer whom lost his last boat through this exact scenario - he had resecured umpteen times with different devices, but certain weather conditions would send it off on a journey, usually recovered by the harbour master - though the last time is disappeared.

It is up to the individual owners to decide if it is useful to them, if they want to protect their investment or rely on insurance later. Some will prefer the peace of mind...and the ability to find it again when investigating some foreign cities!...others will think they are just folly. It is no different than those that buy breakdown cover, and those that shell out higher recovery costs if they need it later. Proactive, reactive, choice is yours.

 

[eddie]

Cut me in half and it reads Trackstar all the way through, and I make no apologies about it for a number of sound commercial and technical reasons learnt since Van Bitz started installing tracking devices in 1996

But, we often dip into the marine market for non mainstream stuff. Caravan and fifth wheelers as non vehicles, don't come under Thatcham as such are stolen for a past time, often from remote locations, where there is no GSM whatsoever.

In these instances we use a system called SPOT which doesn't use GSM to communicate instead it uploads direct to a communication so it will work as happily in the Highlands as it would in the middle of the Atlantic!

There is clever stuff about!

Eddie

 

[jhorsf]

Eddie would spot fail if the caravan or motorhome was not in clear sight of the sat ie; in a container or building?

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[Popeye]

Eddie

Not so my fluffly little friend...

When Mercantile Marine was still going they had no end of losses, one ended up in [HI]Spain and we had to pay to have it recovered[/HI] and the recovery agent was on the fiddle... I soon put an end to his messing about....

I must write this book....

When I worked for the Bank we had a Janneau 33 footer on marine Mortgage and that ended up in Spain, with never a single instalment made.

We sent a man out and he found several bills glued to the mast one of which ran into several thousands and was told we would have to fight our claim in a Spanish Court.

Would you believe the boat got stolen and returned to the UK and the Spanish ended up fighting in a British court.......:Blush:

 

[motorhomelover]

Yesterday you said and I quote

"Did it not have a tracker system fitted????

the first thing i did when i got my RV was to fit the smart track system and a fully integrated alarm system

ok [HI]it was over £1000 .00[/HI]

but to protect over [HI]£30K investment[/HI] money well spent i say

sorry but i have little sentiment if you did not have the security on your van as they are a value item and will always be a target to undesirable low life scum who steal anything they can"

This is obviously a much better system than the old one as you refer to it.

So how much is this all singing and dancing tracker system, the figures you have supplied so far, are to say the very least, Confusing?

read the thread as a whole not just picking out bits that you think fit
the typo error was addressed if you take the time to read it all

stop being a nit picker it shows you in a bad light
its only a post on an internet site not a white paper asking for the death penalty


i say a lot of things some right some wrong you are not enforced in to reading it or believing it get a life man oh:oh:

 

[Popeye]

[HI]read the thread as a whole[/HI] not just picking out bits that you think fit
the typo error was addressed if you take the time to read it all

stop being a nit picker it shows you in a bad light
its only a post on an internet site not a white paper asking for the death penalty


[HI]i say a lot of things[/HI] some right some [HI]wrong[/HI] [HI]you are not enforced[/HI] in to reading it or [HI]believing it[/HI] get a life man oh:oh:

I have read the whole post I always do, I understand about the typo 2 & 3 being next to one another but that does not explain the cost of the system. It is either £300 for 5 years cover or over £1000, these are the confusing parts, read my question.

It was a perfectly reasonable question and it appears that you are avoiding the explanation which makes me think perhaps you are right I should avoid reading your posts.

If you haven't got a clue just say so, if the whole thing is invention then just say so.

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[Jim]

get a life man oh:oh:

I've asked you to read rule one once already this week. Please do read it this time. Thanks.

 

[Gooney]

Oh Oh!! Captain Jim, looks like we've got a loose cannon aboard:Sad:

 

[motorhomelover]

I have read the whole post I always do, I understand about the typo 2 & 3 being next to one another but that does not explain the cost of the system. It is either £300 for 5 years cover or over £1000, these are the confusing parts, read my question.

It was a perfectly reasonable question and it appears that you are avoiding the explanation which makes me think perhaps you are right I should avoid reading your posts.

If you haven't got a clue just say so, if the whole thing is invention then just say so.

when i purchased my MH private sale it did not have an alarm or reverse camera or security on it

i paid £950.00 for a list of things that included
alarm of all belly lockers 9 in total 2x doors one bonnet
tracker system
reverse camera and internal monitor
the tracker system came with one year cover
i paid £299.00 for a life time cover

my ex wife never got such a breakdown of my expenditure
i hope you know how privileged you are

what i paid in 2009 has little to do with the main stay of the tread

i will include full bank statement details in my following threads if that is what you require .... NOT !!!!

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