Towing

Hi Lizcamm No simple answer. I am 67 and just starting but I am relatively fit. Also I have a classic car I wanted to take on our trips.
I suggest you search the site for A Frames ( I don’t know if a frames, aframes of A frames will give different results). Reading the threads will help you.
Points to consider: Is your motorhome able to tow a vehicle. There are weight limits and some can only tow very light cars, others not even these. Some tow bars are not rated to tow such weight.
If you can tow than there is the type/weight of car to be towed, this leads to type of A Frame - braked or unbraked.
Where do you want to tow to? We chose to tow and accepted that, when we do, we will stay clear of Welsh, Cornish and Devonsish? narrow roads. Then there‘s the Scottish High roads……
Our A Frame is over engineered, and quite heavy, about 15kg. Again I don’t have a problem lifting and manoeuvring it when attaching to the car and then the car to the motorhome, but my wife could not do it
It is seldom mentioned but there is an art into moving the car to the correct position to attach to the hitch. My wife is in charge of this and I just follow her direction. It would be possible for one person to do this but much easier with two, and practice makes perfect.
There is also the cost - in our case nearly £3,000. We had to fit a tow bar and chose a 13 pin electrical supply, then decided to fit rear air bags to lift to rear when entering a leaving ferries as the rear could be pushed down with the weight of the towed vehicle if the ferry entrance and exit roads/ramps are steep. A Frame prices are steep - around £800 to £3,000.
Lastly, a very small cost but irritating - some sites will charge you more for a motorhome and car than they charge cars and caravans.
I don’t think that age should be considered a barrier, or even a worry. I am sure many people on here tow a caravan😱, trailer or car at that age.
 
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Do you need a C1

If you have a Category B licence and passed your test prior to 1 January 1997 you can drive:

  • Towed outfits: any outfit where the combined Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) does not exceed 8,250kg (over this weight would have required an additional test pre-1997). However, our recommended weight ratio between trailer and towing vehicle is 85%.
  • Rigid motorhomes without a trailer: any of these where the MAM does not exceed 7,500kg.
  • Rigid motorhomes with a trailer: as long as the total MAM of trailer and motorhome does not go over 8,250kg no further test is required, but our recommended weight ratio between trailer and towing vehicle is 85%.

If you have a Category B licence and passed your test on or after 1 January 1997 you can drive:

  • Towed outfits: you’re restricted to a combined MAM of 3,500kg and the trailer MAM must not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle (85% ratio remains strongly recommended). If this MAM is to be exceeded, an additional E Test pass is required.
  • Rigid motorhomes without a trailer: you're restricted to a MAM of 3,500kg until passing the Large Good Vehicle (LGV) test, after which you're is qualified to 7,500kg MAM.
  • Rigid motorhomes towing a trailer: as long as the trailer doesn’t exceed 750kg and the combined MAM doesn’t exceed 4,250kg you don't need to take another test for this type of outfit. However if the trailer MAM exceeds 750kg then the first point applies for a vehicle less than 3,500kg. Otherwise an LGV test plus an E test is needed.

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Hi Lizcamm No simple answer. I am 67 and just starting but I am relatively fit. Also I have a classic car I wanted to take on our trips.
I suggest you search the site for A Frames ( I don’t know if a frames, aframes of A frames will give different results). Reading the threads will help you.
Points to consider: Is your motorhome able to tow a vehicle. There are weight limits and some can only tow very light cars, others not even these. Some tow bars are not rated to tow such weight.
If you can tow than there is the type/weight of car to be towed, this leads to type of A Frame - braked or unbraked.
Where do you want to tow to? We chose to tow and accepted that, when we do, we will stay clear of Welsh, Cornish and Devonsish? narrow roads. Then there‘s the Scottish High roads……
Our A Frame is over engineered, and quite heavy, about 15kg. Again I don’t have a problem lifting and manoeuvring it when attaching to the car and then the car to the motorhome, but my wife could not do it
It is seldom mentioned but there is an art into moving the car to the correct position to attach to the hitch. My wife is in charge of this and I just follow her direction. It would be possible for one person to do this but much easier with two, and practice makes perfect.
There is also the cost - in our case nearly £3,000. We had to fit a tow bar and chose a 13 pin electrical supply, then decided to fit rear air bags to lift to rear when entering a leaving ferries as the rear could be pushed down with the weight of the towed vehicle if the ferry entrance and exit roads/ramps are steep. A Frame prices are steep - around £800 to £3,000.
Lastly, a very small cost but irritating - some sites will charge you more for a motorhome and car than they charge cars and caravans.
I don’t think that age should be considered a barrier, or even a worry. I am sure many people on here tow a caravan😱, trailer or car at that age.
I find the easy way is move the motorhome to the car , I have a jockey wheel on the a frame adjusted just above towball height , a white paint blob on the top of the tow hitch and the towball and using reversing camera just reverse until tow hitch blob covers towball blob, accurate to the millimetre.
 
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Might be a solution for us. We have a Fiamma 500 fitted to the rear but I think the tow bar is visible via the reversing camera. If I add a strategically positioned torch to your solution you may have cracked it!
 
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Hi we have a 4500kg motorhome and tow a twin axle car trailer have done for some years now and turn 70 next year I will need to renew my licence including my C1 grandfather rights at the moment I am reasonably healthy and eyesight is good so hopefully will pass medical and retain licence for another three years😊🤞🤞🤞
 
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If you gave up your C1 at 70 you will have automatically retained your BE category so you will be able to tow a car subject to the towing vehicle being up to the job in terms of towing capacity.
 
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Might be a solution for us. We have a Fiamma 500 fitted to the rear but I think the tow bar is visible via the reversing camera. If I add a strategically positioned torch to your solution you may have cracked it!
I initially used to try and drive to the tow hitch watching the wife’s flailing arms , not easy :p

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Got off track a bit with how to connect car to moho.
However OP asks if he can tow car behind his moho at age of 71yrs old.
Surely (Sorry if I am wrong) but regardless of his grand father rights if he has not
renewed his entitlement, surly his moho weight 《or 》 3500kg is the defining factor.
Conal different to your situation.. you still a baby at 67 yr old
 
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Got off track a bit with how to connect car to moho.
However OP asks if he can tow car behind his moho at age of 71yrs old.
Surely (Sorry if I am wrong) but regardless of his grand father rights if he has not
renewed his entitlement, surly his moho weight 《or 》 3500kg is the defining factor.
Conal different to your situation.. you still a baby at 67 yr old
The gtw is the limiting factor as with B+E there is adequate gtw for a small car being towed provided it’s within the limits of the 3500 kg motorhome.
 
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Do you need a C1
As you have 'grandfather' rights and assuming your van is 3500kg or less you can tow any trailer (a towed car is classed as a trailer) upto the vans train weight (towing limit) on a B+E (standard car plus trailer) licence.
If your van is over 3500kg you will need a C1+E licence

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The gtw is the limiting factor as with B+E there is adequate gtw for a small car being towed provided it’s within the limits of the 3500 kg motorhome.
Yes that’s correct in fact our trailer with car onboard is 1650kg so a 3500kg van could tow it👍😊 providing his van spec for towing is high enough🤔
 
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As you have 'grandfather' rights and assuming your van is 3500kg or less you can tow any trailer (a towed car is classed as a trailer) upto the vans train weight (towing limit) on a B+E (standard car plus trailer) licence.
If your van is over 3500kg you will need a C1+E licence
B+E isn't around anymore?

Cheers James
 
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B+E isn't around anymore?

Cheers James
Correct, but it's still on your licence and the 8250kg limit still applies, unlike today's B licence.

But, I just found this ...

What will change from 15 November 2021​

If you passed your car driving test from 1 January 1997, you’ll be allowed to tow trailers up to 3,500kg MAM from 15 November 2021.

DVLA will update your driving licence record to show that you’re allowed to tow trailers. You’ll get category BE added to your driving licence when you get a new photocard driving licence.
 
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It’s probably a couple of years ago now but a Funster for whatever reason lost his C1 so he could only drive a Moho up to 3500kgs but on looking at his new licence could tow a trailer up to 4500kgs max train weight. It beggars belief :doh:
 
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