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A caravan can be reversed but how many caravaners have the skill to reverse if the road is narrow, bad enough watching some trying to reverse on to a pitch.
Its easy enough if your competent and confident driver and have a decent set of towing mirrors fitted and correctly adjusted giving you maximum vision down both sides of your outfit
 
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Pre lock down, I used to see loads of toads on the French motorways and very few cars on trailers. Post lock down, it seems to be the otherway round. Maybe the attitude has changed towards them over there.
 
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Now we all have views regarding insurance companies who, when someone is involved in an accident can refuse to pay out or apply a reduced payment.

Given that there are grey area's that cannot be agreed upon here can you imagine the agro dealing with an insurance company who may interpret an individual country's rules different to what an individual does. In this instance you can see the insurance company off loading responsibility for the decision to use an A Frame to a driver.

"You’ll also need to check that your insurance policy covers towing with an A-frame. Even if it does, using the A-frame incorrectly could invalidate a claim so make sure everything is in place and working before you set off"

Buyer beware springs to mind....

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Opinions on A frame usage in France please .I have been tol it is illegal ,but also a grey area .
It’s not a grey area, it’s illegal! In the code de la Route (the French Highway Code), it is illegal to tow one motorised vehicle with another.
It also contravenes the UNECE regulations (which is the over-riding legislation of movement of international traffic) as (unlike the U.K.) a ‘trailer’ has to be « DESIGNED » to be towed, the U.K. accept « designed or adapted ».

That said, many do it and get away with it, enforcement is patchy at best! 😏
 
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What a silly regulation. Half the motorhomes in North America use toads and there is no evidence that it presents any more of a safety issue than towing a trailer. Bureaucrats at work methinks.
There is evidence, the front falls off for one which is pretty uncommon on trailers!

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Yep. Exactly. No evidence of serious issues but the pen pushers simply say it’s illegal because it’s not legal.
IIRC everything in France is illegal until laws are passed to make it legal. Wonder when they legalised nookie? 😂😂
There is plenty of evidence of serious issues, I know of 4 in the last year, just in the U.K., but don’t confuse safety with legality.
It’s UNECE that say it’s illegal, not pen pushers on here!
 
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If it’s illegal in France why do the French make and use them?

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It’s not illegal to manufacture and supply an a-frame, only to use it!
The French are well renowned for applying their own version of the regs, regardless of the actual! Some get away with it, some don’t….
my eldest son and his family are French residents and I have first hand reports of the French behaviour, lovely as they are! 😂🤣

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It’s seems it’s always a friend of a friend
If I got stopped in France and told to uncouple or a fine I would be happy with 3rd option have my day in court at least it would end this rubbish of legal or illegal
Towing one motorised vehicle with another is a category 4 offence in France, read the ‘code de la Route’.
 
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Simple rule:
If you can't reverse it, then you should not be driving it on the road.

A trailer can usually be reversed, a toad usually can't.
The difference is (and it’s the bit that UNECE recognise, unlike the uk’s DfT) is that a ‘TRAILER’ is designed to be towed rather than adapted.
 
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We ‘A’ frame regularly in France and have never been stopped. have passed numerous Gendarmes and municipal Police without any of them being remotely interested. I agree that according to EU legislation the A-frame arrangement does not fall within the definition of a trailer (which is where it falls down). However there is no reason why it could not be accepted as circulating visitor traffic, but accept if I was stopped and challenged I would happily de-couple or pay a fine if is came to that (cheaper than paying hire charges).

Insurance - no problem whatsoever, my insurers for MOHO and Toad have explicitly agreed that I am covered fully comp A-Framing in EU, 365 days per year (Motorhome and Caravan club and previously Adrian Flux).

Its all a question of tolerance to risk. A-framing is a safe way of towing, with a lower centre of gravity than a conventional car transporter trailer. Just need to make sure that the A frame kit is fitted by a reputable manufacturer and checked regularly by them (also follow all the fitting instructions).

There is however on these forums a number of members who find it abhorrent and will argue to the ’n’th degree that you must not use one. Your choice at the end of the day :)

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We ‘A’ frame regularly in France and have never been stopped. have passed numerous Gendarmes and municipal Police without any of them being remotely interested. I agree that according to EU legislation the A-frame arrangement does not fall within the definition of a trailer (which is where it falls down). However there is no reason why it could not be accepted as circulating visitor traffic, but accept if I was stopped and challenged I would happily de-couple or pay a fine if is came to that (cheaper than paying hire charges).

Insurance - no problem whatsoever, my insurers for MOHO and Toad have explicitly agreed that I am covered fully comp A-Framing in EU, 365 days per year (Motorhome and Caravan club and previously Adrian Flux).

Its all a question of tolerance to risk. A-framing is a safe way of towing, with a lower centre of gravity than a conventional car transporter trailer. Just need to make sure that the A frame kit is fitted by a reputable manufacturer and checked regularly by them (also follow all the fitting instructions).

There is however on these forums a number of members who find it abhorrent and will argue to the ’n’th degree that you must not use one. Your choice at the end of the day :)

🍿🥤 😣you can argue all day you will never convince a ex trailer salesman

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Nothing seems to show that that aframe come off that car.
It didn’t, that’s 2 different incidents! The first was in the U.K., a non-approved a-frame fitted by a major U.K. supplier.
The second is a Blue Ox, an approved a-frame in the USA, though I believe this was in Australia. Simply, some vehicles just aren’t suitable for a-framing,…
 
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It didn’t, that’s 2 different incidents! The first was in the U.K., a non-approved a-frame fitted by a major U.K. supplier.
The second is a Blue Ox, an approved a-frame in the USA, though I believe this was in Australia. Simply, some vehicles just aren’t suitable for a-framing,…
Think they may call that scaremongering
As you are well known for posting these on loads of motorhome forums
 
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Would you be referring to me as ‘a trailer salesman’?

I was a designer and manufacturer, of bespoke trailers (up to 3.5T MAM) and motorhome towbars. I also provided training to the NTTA on trailer maintenance and Towbar fitting….

However, I’m thick skinned! 😂🤣

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Its easy enough if your competent and confident driver and have a decent set of towing mirrors fitted and correctly adjusted giving you maximum vision down both sides of your outfit
Reversing a ‘proper’ trailer isn’t that difficult. It took me about 30 minutes to teach my wife how to reverse a double horsebox behind a LandRover Discovery…. The ‘horsey’ girls put caravanners to shame TBH when it comes to reversing! 😂🤣
 
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Is that why a very large percentage of caravans have motor movers fitted:unsure:
Caravans have motor movers fitted (quite rightly) for parking in tight spots on storage sites.…. I’d hate to think my caravanning neighbour was trying to reverse into an 8’ wide space next to my precious MoHo!
 
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