I had a vague recollection that this was happening sometime this year but got caught out this weekend on a few days away in Newark. No signal received on our Oyster Digital CI for any of the BBC channels. I believe this will require an upgrade to my oyster system. I haven't had chance to research the options available as yet but the forum is always a good place to start! Looks like a visit to a pub for the Wales v England rugby maybe necessary later today though!
The BBC has stopped all SD broadcasts via satellite
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Typical, isn't it. The BBC does exactly what it likes, without a thought for licence fee payers. Older viewers may not have HD sets.
I began losing SD channels on my Sky decoder before Christmas then they suddenly reappeared. Maybe that was a test.
I began losing SD channels on my Sky decoder before Christmas then they suddenly reappeared. Maybe that was a test.
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Anthony Anthony OysterTech does an upgrade they call the Vision Control centre upgrade which upgrades all the brains and uses a DVB S2 tuner instead of DVB S therefore future proofs systems. Im purchasing one when o return back to the UK. Have a word with him and he will advise the best route to take.
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We've ditched the dish in favour of a firestick and vpn and wont be going back. We can watch programs when we want in most of the places we want to go to with no worries about trees. Would be different if we were Scotland fans but we're not.
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Read all about it: https://www.hdsatelliteupgrade.co.uk
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kevenh
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For regional broadcasts, I think they’ve had to convert SD to HD channels. Rather than pay for additional channels 
Anyway, the BBC explain their plan in a link here Broken Link Removed
IPlayer is your none HD option. That app will reduce definition to match your device
Edit: it looks like you’ll have an SD option until March 2024 - somehow
Anyway, the BBC explain their plan in a link here Broken Link Removed
IPlayer is your none HD option. That app will reduce definition to match your device
Edit: it looks like you’ll have an SD option until March 2024 - somehow
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ManTheVan
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Must be a pain for those with SD-only sets at home or in their MH. I didn’t know it was happening, but it’s brilliant to have BBC SW now in HD. We used to have a really annoying time having to switch to SD to see the regional news. Now, Kirk or Janine are there in full glorious HD. How very 1st world!!
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The Dotties
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BBC West upgraded last night on Sky.
101 is now full HD and 115 the old HD BBC1 has been reassigned to BBC3
101 is now full HD and 115 the old HD BBC1 has been reassigned to BBC3
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I gave Sky the boot and now use a different decoder. The EPG is pants compared with the Sky EPG, but on the bright side I can see enough free channels to keep me entertained and I have cancelled a subscription that was costing about £40 per month. Swings and roundabouts.
At the moment, though I live in SW England, many of my satellite channels appear to be intended for NI and they are full of adverts from Irish companies. I tried retuning but get the same result. Weird. I may need to get an engineer to sort out my dish and LNB.
At the moment, though I live in SW England, many of my satellite channels appear to be intended for NI and they are full of adverts from Irish companies. I tried retuning but get the same result. Weird. I may need to get an engineer to sort out my dish and LNB.
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kevenh
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Sky would use ad-smart to give you local ads
Maybe there’s nothing like that for Freesat. Or you have to opt in to a service. Probably the former.
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Satandpcguy
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BBC are still transmitting SD channels, and will do so until the end of March 2024.
However, instead of all regions in SD, there is just one SD version for England.
They are on 12422 H DVB-S SR 27500 FEC 2/3
As Sky channels are nothing to do with the BBC, I doubt your loss of some SD channels was related.
BBC West was done on the 14th and 15th Feb
Also worth noting that about half a dozen BBC regions have not yet upgraded their studios for HD, so they are upscaling from SD to HD. So not all regional news will be in full HD
However, instead of all regions in SD, there is just one SD version for England.
They are on 12422 H DVB-S SR 27500 FEC 2/3
It was announced some 5 years ago they would be doing this SD to HD upgrade, so plenty of notice.
As Sky channels are nothing to do with the BBC, I doubt your loss of some SD channels was related.
All SD to HD changes were completed on Freesat this past Tuesday, and Sky on Wednesday.
BBC West was done on the 14th and 15th Feb
Also worth noting that about half a dozen BBC regions have not yet upgraded their studios for HD, so they are upscaling from SD to HD. So not all regional news will be in full HD
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I had a discussion with Pat Corby, who is the MD of Oyster-tech at the Motorhome show at the NEC last week.
Very useful guy, he diagnosed the issues I have with my set up
(It would appear the dealer of my 2018 van fitted a receiver from about 2012-15, that is not fully compatible with the 2018 dish, which is in line with the wing mirrors, toilet cassette, water pump, TV, wipers all of which are also older than the van. It was the dealers demo vehicle for 18 months before we bought it)
He said that if you arrange a date with Oyster-tech, you can go to their head office and they will fix/install most stuff whilst you wait.
Head office is Welford, Northamptonshire NN6 6HF
(Exit 19 on the M1, below Leicester, level with Birmingham)
I'll be arranging a date.
Very useful guy, he diagnosed the issues I have with my set up
(It would appear the dealer of my 2018 van fitted a receiver from about 2012-15, that is not fully compatible with the 2018 dish, which is in line with the wing mirrors, toilet cassette, water pump, TV, wipers all of which are also older than the van. It was the dealers demo vehicle for 18 months before we bought it)
He said that if you arrange a date with Oyster-tech, you can go to their head office and they will fix/install most stuff whilst you wait.
Head office is Welford, Northamptonshire NN6 6HF
(Exit 19 on the M1, below Leicester, level with Birmingham)
I'll be arranging a date.
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I echo about the very helpful nature of Anthony OysterTech this company, they are there to support their product anytime and anywhere which makes Oyster a brand I’m happy to spend my money with there are plenty of motorhome branded goods which (beginning with a D) which offer very little support and their products are sometimes not fit for purpose
there are plenty of motorhome branded goods which (beginning with a D) which offer very little support and their products are sometimes not fit for purpose
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Satandpcguy
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Only ITVs and C4 have regional adverts as per their regional variations.
All others channels on Freesat are "pan uk" so no regional versions or adverts.
But there are one or two designed for Ireland and Northern Ireland as well, like Sky News, which may show on a free to air receiver, but not a Freesat box.
But yes, a Sky+HD and SkyQ use adsmart to insert tailored predownloaded ads into certain programmes recording and downloads.
No such thing on Freesat.
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In the MH with a small screen TV, SD broadcasts offer an adequate picture.
However you receive whether firestick streaming, terrestrial rooftop aerial, if in a poorer reception area which is typical of camping, SD having less data often gives a watchable picture yet HD just fails.
SD remains a useful format and moves to abolish are a real pain.
However you receive whether firestick streaming, terrestrial rooftop aerial, if in a poorer reception area which is typical of camping, SD having less data often gives a watchable picture yet HD just fails.
SD remains a useful format and moves to abolish are a real pain.
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A few years ago TVs were advertised as HD ready. I never quite knew what that meant. Does that mean these devices have the necessary hd components?
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Satandpcguy
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It means that it has the ability, usually via a HDMI input, to be connected to a HD device.
HD Ready TVs do not have and HD tuners inside them.
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kevenh
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I remember thr “HD Ready” label didn’t always mean what customers expected.
Here is one definition: https://www.radioandtelly.co.uk/hdready.html
The mistake that was easy to make was expecting to watch HD telly on a tv with that label but you needed to give it an external HD signal.
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Anthony OysterTech
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Hi all,
Apologies for the late response but I've been at the NEC all last week/weekend and only back in the office today.
Most Oyster units running only a standard definition tuner are not currently massively affected by the switchover and will only become obsolete IF all of the standard definition frequencies running on Astra 2 are discontinued.
Oyster Vision II systems that are no longer finding a satellite can be updated over the phone in most cases so if you have one and it's spinning aimlessly just give us a call on 01858575928 and we can rectify this for you.
Oyster Vision III systems may be suffering from transponder changes also but the vast majority of these have a HD tuner so run no current risk of becoming obsolete. They do still search using transponder frequencies so may need those updating but again this can be done over the phone.
Oyster Digital Systems using the Oyster Digital SD Receiver do have frequencies programmed in however unfortunately these can only be changed via a software update that would need to be done at our premises. It is still worth contacting us via telephone first as the units do have multiple search frequencies and it may be that it still has working frequencies that just aren't being used and, if so, we can very easily alter it.
These systems do only have an SD tuner inside them so if any SD channels are turned off then you will no longer be able to receive them through the Oyster receiver however there are ways around this so please give us a call.
Oyster Digital Systems using the Oyster HD Receiver can be updated via USB and have a HD tuner inside so again it's just a phone call to get the information and then we can send you the relevant files.
Also we do offer upgrade units that will allow you to change the electronics without replacing the roof unit or cabling so if you would like more information regarding this then please call the office or send me an email directly.
Office no: 01858575928
Anthony work Mob: 07979745688
Email: anthony@oystersat-tech.co.uk
Many thanks dpsuk999 for the tag.
Apologies for the late response but I've been at the NEC all last week/weekend and only back in the office today.
Most Oyster units running only a standard definition tuner are not currently massively affected by the switchover and will only become obsolete IF all of the standard definition frequencies running on Astra 2 are discontinued.
Oyster Vision II systems that are no longer finding a satellite can be updated over the phone in most cases so if you have one and it's spinning aimlessly just give us a call on 01858575928 and we can rectify this for you.
Oyster Vision III systems may be suffering from transponder changes also but the vast majority of these have a HD tuner so run no current risk of becoming obsolete. They do still search using transponder frequencies so may need those updating but again this can be done over the phone.
Oyster Digital Systems using the Oyster Digital SD Receiver do have frequencies programmed in however unfortunately these can only be changed via a software update that would need to be done at our premises. It is still worth contacting us via telephone first as the units do have multiple search frequencies and it may be that it still has working frequencies that just aren't being used and, if so, we can very easily alter it.
These systems do only have an SD tuner inside them so if any SD channels are turned off then you will no longer be able to receive them through the Oyster receiver however there are ways around this so please give us a call.
Oyster Digital Systems using the Oyster HD Receiver can be updated via USB and have a HD tuner inside so again it's just a phone call to get the information and then we can send you the relevant files.
Also we do offer upgrade units that will allow you to change the electronics without replacing the roof unit or cabling so if you would like more information regarding this then please call the office or send me an email directly.
Office no: 01858575928
Anthony work Mob: 07979745688
Email: anthony@oystersat-tech.co.uk
Many thanks dpsuk999 for the tag.
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I too have that setup but will be ditching the VPN because there is now a 100 Gb sim from Popit with no data cap for £25 on a 30 day rolling contract . Popit will shortly be launching a 150Gb data sim. I've ditched my Tiekom data sim as well. Popit are well aware of us motorhome owners and our need for three figure data sims.
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I suppose people think they ought to be still doing black and white then!
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This person thinks if the BBC is so wonderful then why are we forced to pay for it. A bit like East Germany - "A paradise so complete we couldnt possibly allow you to leave" sic
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Where can you still rent or buy a black and white TV? That's beside the point. Anyhow, about a quarter of UK homes still have SD as their main TV. Probably includes a high number of older people whose degraded visual acuity gets no benefit from HD, as given your professional background, you particularly are well aware.
As for the majority who have HD TV:
"Research has shown that after over a decade of high definition television (HDTV) broadcasts, only 17% of people watch high definition TV channels. This is when three-quarters of UK homes has an HDTV as their main TV set." (2019 figures)
Shows made before 2009 weren't made in HD so all those many hours of repeats will still be effectively in SD.
The BBC also needs to get its act together and make it easier for Freesat viewers to access the right content - I can no longer tune in to their Points West regional news, and instead get their Midlands news, which isn't where I live. The BBC2 HD I can get is the NI channel. The BBC channel numbers in the EPG are all over the place. I can get BBC3 and BBC4 only in SD not HD. It's a mess.
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The Dotties
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A quick word of warning.
I have Sky that changed from channel 115 for BBC HD to 101 (BBC West).
All my recordings were scheduled for 115 to watch in HD. They did not move to 101!
If you have recording requests on 115 make sure you change them to 101. I know its not a biggy, with iplayer, but might avoid frustration
I have Sky that changed from channel 115 for BBC HD to 101 (BBC West).
All my recordings were scheduled for 115 to watch in HD. They did not move to 101!
If you have recording requests on 115 make sure you change them to 101. I know its not a biggy, with iplayer, but might avoid frustration
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As a previous poster said it was just the same when they introduced higher definition black and white and then colour it's good they are moving forwards. I remember all the furore when they started digital broadcasts I don't see why given a lead in of several years it's unreasonable to change to HD with a small retention of SD without local content than vice versa which has been the situation so far.
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Colour versus B&W is a red herring.
The point is that the BBC is throwing its millions of SD-only viewers under the bus even though they still have to pay for the BBC TV licence for content they can't view any longer. This is unfair. You have a history of multiple posts about the burden of paying for pensions being unfair to working people, so why can't you concede that the BBC is being unfair towards about a quarter of its licence fee payers? The real cost to the BBC to keep SD channels going must be minimal.
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Could be a problem for us in Spain. When I contract the house out, it’s has to Have English TV channels and must include BBC. That’s already a problem as slightest wind and the sat dish Loses BBC
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Hasn't someone already said they are keeping an SD Chanel?. Until recently if you watched BBC 1 in HD the programme was the same but there was no local news. It sounds like that's just being reversed the other way around. It's probably the reason so few watched in HD before even though they had an HD TV. The fairness of people who payed low NI towards previous generations pensions then expecting current workers to pay for a more generous pension for them now is a totally different subject that's just an example of grabbing what you can.
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Anthony OysterTech
Oyster Satellite and Wifi Technical Service
I've literally just updated my Avtex channel list to send out to customers and there are currently three BBC1 SD channels (no regions attached), a BBC2 SD channel, two BBC3 SD channels and two BBC4 SD channels transmitting as well as a BBC Alba, a BBC News, a BBC Parliament and a BBC RB1 SD channel (red button service). Obviously I can't be 100% on how long these will stay but I wouldn't be surprised if these now stay until the end of March next year.
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