Strikeback Growler Alarm (1 Viewer)

[eddie]

But you don't need a GSM/radio network to operate a GPS signal, blocking the GPS signal means the GSM or other radio communication system in use is just reporting back the last known location of the last known GPS signal. If the GPS signal has been blocked and the vehicle moved but the GPS via GSM/radio is still reporting the last known location then the weakest point of the system has meant it has failed?

Before we shoot off on a theoretical tangent, the question was about the "Non Starter" system that immobilises the motorhome via GSM Blocking the signal for GSM and GPS is academic as the motorhome will be staying where it is

 

[MR. FUSION]

Before we shoot off on a theoretical tangent, the question was about the "Non Starter" system that immobilises the motorhome via GSM Blocking the signal for GSM and GPS is academic as the motorhome will be staying where it is

I think that's not quite right, the motorhome is not immobilised but the engine is. Professionals will be towing away the vehicle anyway and for £30 they will have also defeated the second line of defence, the GPS tracking system.

 

[Jim]

I think that's not quite right, the motorhome is not immobilised but the engine is. Professionals will be towing away the vehicle anyway and for £30 they will have also defeated the second line of defence, the GPS tracking system.

Hardly worth even locking it then

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[MR. FUSION]

Hardly worth even locking it then

Only for insurance purposes

 

[Jim]

Only for insurance purposes

Yes, you can always rely on insurance to see that your 100% compensated.

 

[MR. FUSION]

Yes, you can always rely on insurance to see that your 100% compensated.

I am of the opinion that everything in the motorhome has to be replaceable. Because Everything in the modern average motorhome is behind plastic that can be forced open with a good quality medium sized screwdriver.....
I had an alarm/immobiliser fitted on the basis the noise and difficulty in starting the vehicle will deter the opportunist and low grade thief. But the professional stealing to order etc will have no such problems with immobilisers, GSM operated or otherwise, neither will they with easily jammed GPS trackers.

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[peterc10]

Its good to know we have all wasted our money isn't it?

 

[Robert Clark]

Surely alarms and immobilisers are about deterring opportunist thieves and preventing theft if your keys are stolen.

I'm quite sure that when parked in an Aire, that my MH is considerably less likely to be the targeted by thieves if they can see the flashing LED's on the side. Instead they are considerably more likely to try and break into the other 'unprotected' vans

Yes, a determined professional thief could use a low loader to tow away my van - but that's no excuse for not protecting yourself from the majority of thieves which are opportunists

 

[MR. FUSION]

Surely alarms and immobilisers are about deterring opportunist thieves and preventing theft if your keys are stolen.

I'm quite sure that when parked in an Aire, that my MH is considerably less likely to be the targeted by thieves if they can see the flashing LED's on the side. Instead they are considerably more likely to try and break into the other 'unprotected' vans

Yes, a determined professional thief could use a low loader to tow away my van - but that's no excuse for not protecting yourself from the majority of thieves which are opportunists

Totally agree the important thing though is to treat your keys like the crown jewels and don't leave them in an obvious unlocked place. Probably about time insurance companies started specifying how keys should be kept and secured rather than going off on hugely expensive and easily jammable tracker tangents.

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[Zigisla]

I think that's not quite right, the motorhome is not immobilised but the engine is. Professionals will be towing away the vehicle anyway and for £30 they will have also defeated the second line of defence, the GPS tracking system.

Air on the side of probability. How likely is it for a thief to target an alarm fitted vehicle in the first instance then beat that, stay in the vehicle to place the jammer, then have the vehicle to hand to tow the MH away with a screeming alarm and not attract any attention? You may never be safe from a professional, but ask the question, how many are actually stolen each year.

 

[Jim]

I am of the opinion that everything in the motorhome has to be replaceable. Because Everything in the modern average motorhome is behind plastic that can be forced open with a good quality medium sized screwdriver.....
I had an alarm/immobiliser fitted on the basis the noise and difficulty in starting the vehicle will deter the opportunist and low grade thief. But the professional stealing to order etc will have no such problems with immobilisers, GSM operated or otherwise, neither will they with easily jammed GPS trackers.

Your time isn't replaceable, missed opportunities are not replaceable, the stress you suffer etc...which is why we fit a good lock to a door rather than just a latch. All security can be beaten but the better the security the less likely we are to suffer loss. Just doing the bare minimum to satisfy your insurance broker is fine and you can rely entirely upon them if you like but it's rare that you will ever be fully compensated.

 

[MR. FUSION]

Air on the side of probability. How likely is it for a thief to target an alarm fitted vehicle in the first instance then beat that, stay in the vehicle to place the jammer, then have the vehicle to hand to tow the MH away with a screeming alarm and not attract any attention? You may never be safe from a professional, but ask the question, how many are actually stolen each year.

Indeed, so an intruder alarm and an immobiliser is a basic security essential. personally I have not gone for re-enforcing the MH as if the opportunist has a crowbar or similar they still have a good chance of getting in and making a bad mess of the van!

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[MR. FUSION]

Your time isn't replaceable, missed opportunities are not replaceable, the stress you suffer etc...which is why we fit a good lock to a door rather than just a latch. All security can be beaten but the better the security the less likely we are to suffer loss. Just doing the bare minimum to satisfy your insurance broker is fine and you can rely entirely upon them if you like but it's rare that you will ever be fully compensated.

Won't they just go in via the windows or a locker though Jim ?

 

[eddie]

I think that's not quite right, the motorhome is not immobilised but the engine is. Professionals will be towing away the vehicle anyway and for £30 they will have also defeated the second line of defence, the GPS tracking system.

Proof? Evidence? Factual cases? LOL Hypothetical like most "Ah but security doesn't work" arguments! There are far more posts on Forums about how difficult it was to get a motorhome recovered by professional organisations such as the AA and the RAC than people reporting that their motorhome was stolen.

The two vehicles owned by the people discussing the "Non Starter" system are large. I do not believe for one minute that there are thieves driving around in low loaders big enough to steal 25' 30' motorhomes that they just may encounter! Even if they do they have to tackle my Growler system which hasn't happened yet!

My motor home is 33' weighs ten ton and most people wouldn't be able to start it normally let along defeat the Growler, tracking and GSM immobilisation.

All things are possible, it is just when you start to work out what is probable, you can start to see the "actual reality" of what could happen

 

[Jim]

Won't they just go in via the windows or a locker though Jim ?

Why bother, the thieves your talking about will have the chinnook and lifting gear on standby,

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[eddie]

Totally agree the important thing though is to treat your keys like the crown jewels and don't leave them in an obvious unlocked place. Probably about time insurance companies started specifying how keys should be kept and secured rather than going off on hugely expensive and easily jammable tracker tangents.

But the reality is that Tracking systems are not "hugely expensive" in 1996 we were fitting "LEO" Tracking systems (Low Earth Orbit) at £1499 plus £200 a year monitoring. At the end of 2015 our cheapest monitored option is £199 installed.

Also the statement easily jammable, is the same as "easily picked"

Do you know of a single motorhome that was stolen and the use of a "jammer" was used to defeat the Thatcham approved and installed Tracking system? In fact, do you know of a single motorhome stolen, not recovered to the owners, when a Thatcham approved tracking device was fitted?

Does anyone? Actual case, not a friend of a friend of a friend?

 

[MR. FUSION]

Why bother, the thieves your talking about will have the chinnook and lifting gear on standby,

The RAF

 

[Jim]

The RAF

Yes, easily stolen, you can buy kit on eBay to kill the transponder, Bobs your aunty

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[Deleted member 29692]

Totally agree the important thing though is to treat your keys like the crown jewels and don't leave them in an obvious unlocked place. Probably about time insurance companies started specifying how keys should be kept and secured rather than going off on hugely expensive and easily jammable tracker tangents.

That's the point of the Non Starter.

If anyone wants to steal my keys they can have them rather than do a load of damage or make a load of mess searching for them.

They won't be stealing my van with them though.

 

[MR. FUSION]

Also the statement easily jammable, is the same as "easily picked"

Do you know of a single motorhome that was stolen and the use of a "jammer" was used to defeat the Thatcham approved and installed Tracking system? In fact, do you know of a single motorhome stolen, not recovered to the owners, when a Thatcham approved tracking device was fitted?

Does anyone? Actual case, not a friend of a friend of a friend?

Are statistics with information like that even published?

The fact that there appears to be a thriving market on EBay UK for GPS signal jammers indicates to me that somebody is buying them and its not for jamming their mates satnav

In any case I don't think it's my role to prove a negative here, as I am only the concerned punter. I think the sellers need to prove a positive don't you think ??

 

[sdc77]

Of course vehicles with trackers are sometimes not recovered. Those gps blockers you talk of can work but are more often used by fleet drivers to stop their company following them. If you buy a quality tracking system then it can use a blend of technologies such as gps gsm and rf.
Coupled with sensible key and vehicle security the gsm immobiliser is a nice addition which .. if nothing else can provide reassurance and peace of mind.

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[eddie]

Don't forget that motorhome are an entirely different threat risk to, say cars. Motorhomes are not generally stolen for the same reasons

Ram raiding! Getaway vehicle, Getaway vehicle to remove the proceeds of a theft, Joy riding

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To fund a secondary crime, To fund a drugs habit

We are though more vulnerable to casual, opportunistic, spur of the moment crime which is thankfully easier to deter

 

[Robert Clark]

The fact that there appears to be a thriving market on EBay UK for GPS signal jammers indicates to me that somebody is buying them and its not for jamming their mates satnav
?

I was looking online and people are also using them for detecting bugging devices and gps trackers that may have been placed in their vehicle by jealous spouses, lovers, business competitors, employers - I guess the list is endless.

 

[eddie]

The fact that there appears to be a thriving market on EBay UK for GPS signal jammers indicates to me that somebody is buying them and its not for jamming their mates satnav

And they all originate in China, even the .Co.Uk ones, and the T&C's clearly state that it is the "buyers" responsibility to establish it the product is legal to own in the buyers Country and that the manufacturers will not take responsibility if the product is confiscated! That sounds a bigger scam in my mind lol!

In any case I don't think it's my role to prove a negative here, as I am only the concerned punter. I think the sellers need to prove a positive don't you think ??

True, but then if you told me that you were concerned that "Nasty Blue Monkeys" were going to steal your motorhome, I would ask why you thought that, and what proof you had!

26 years specialising in motorhome security with an exemplary track record has taught me that!

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[Robert Clark]

Alarms also give their owners peace of mind and a feeling of security - that's priceless

 

[MR. FUSION]

I was looking online and people are also using them for detecting bugging devices and gps trackers that may have been placed in their vehicle by jealous spouses, lovers, business competitors, employers - I guess the list is endless.

Oooooh its a scary world !!!!

 

[MR. FUSION]

And they all originate in China, even the .Co.Uk ones, and the T&C's clearly state that it is the "buyers" responsibility to establish it the product is legal to own in the buyers Country and that the manufacturers will not take responsibility if the product is confiscated! That sounds a bigger scam in my mind lol!

True, but then if you told me that you were concerned that "Nasty Blue Monkeys" were going to steal your motorhome, I would ask why you thought that, and what proof you had!

26 years specialising in motorhome security with an exemplary track record has taught me that!

You got me there apart from the blue monkeys.....still think insurance companies should be stipulating security for vehicle keys though.

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[Puddleduck]

Surely alarms and immobilisers are about deterring opportunist thieves and preventing theft if your keys are stolen.

I'm quite sure that when parked in an Aire, that my MH is considerably less likely to be the targeted by thieves if they can see the flashing LED's on the side. Instead they are considerably more likely to try and break into the other 'unprotected' vans

Yes, a determined professional thief could use a low loader to tow away my van - but that's no excuse for not protecting yourself from the majority of thieves which are opportunists

Exactly.

 

[eddie]

You got me there apart from the blue monkeys.....still think insurance companies should be stipulating security for vehicle keys though.

With that I agree 100% wholeheartedly I have had so many meetings with so many insurance companies over the years trying to get them to agree to a number of issues, and it is like trying to push a car uphill! Using a rope lol

 

[gus-lopez]

Only for insurance purposes

Yes, you can always rely on insurance to see that your 100% compensated.

Only if it is available & that you have it- In my case it isn't & I don't.

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