Stray Russian missile kills 2 in Poland

[Gingernuts]

Oops

 

[Steve and Denise]

Stray Missile!!!! Are you going to start WW3 because some fu**wit entered the wrong co-ordinates. or the wrong type of rocket was used?

I agree wrong co-ordinates just Nuke Moscow with everything at once and we will say the same ! Job done, plus that will put an abrupt end to the migrant problem in England

 

[Brains]

The last time a mad nationalist Dictator bombed Poland the result was WWII.

A mad nationalist Dictator has just bombed Poland ......

 

[Just smiffy]

I’ve had a look on maps and there’s not a lot there in the village and there’s nothing note worthy for miles around to want to bomb…

 

[TDub49]

Oops

Talk about the media jumping to conclusions, seems the latest intel is that it is a Ukrainian ground to air missile (they own a lot of Russian kit) that's caused the damage, not one fired by the Russians. World war three averted . . . . .

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[Steve and Denise]

Not much point in us taxpayers worrying about it we don’t have any say

 

[John Barrett]

Talk about the media jumping to conclusions, seems the latest intel is that it is a Ukrainian ground to air missile (they own a lot of Russian kit) that's caused the damage, not one fired by the Russians. World war three averted . . . . .

Well. to avert WWIII they all would say that wouldn't they...

 

[Guigsy]

Current thinking is at least one of the missiles was a stray Ukrainian air defence missile that was fired to intercept incoming Russian missiles.

 

[bertiebasset]

Why would the Ukranians be firing in that direction ?? missiles are not known to do U turns.

 

[JJ]

Maybe it was on its way somewhere else but the limp warning light came on and it fell out of the sky...

JJ

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[Two on Tour]

Why would the Ukranians be firing in that direction ?? missiles are not known to do U turns.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Why would the Ukranians be firing in that direction ?? missiles are not known to do U turns.

Did you not see the video of the Russian missile launched that reversed course and hit the launch site?

Edit…….. Two on Tour already posted it

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Maybe it was on its way somewhere else but the limp warning light came on and it fell out of the sky...

JJ

Ran out of AdBlue?

 

[Guigsy]

Why would the Ukranians be firing in that direction ?? missiles are not known to do U turns.

A nearby Ukrainian city was being attacked with missiles. A Ukrainian defence missile was sent to intercept and missed. It continued on its path and fell just beyond the border. It is feasible.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

A nearby Ukrainian city was being attacked with missiles. A Ukrainian defence missile was sent to intercept and missed. It continued on its path and fell just beyond the border. It is feasible.

It seems that, much to the disappointment of hot headed people, this is the most likely cause.

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[Pausim]

The Polish Government are now confirming that it was probably a Ukrainian air defence missile that missed its target. Even so if the Russians weren’t targeting Cities nowhere near the ground fighting there would be no need to fire air defence missiles near the border.

 

[SpeedyDux]

cant see why a Ukrainian missile was going west and 1000km from the front line.

Early in this war in about March or April, it was reported that a Ukrainian-fired missile accidentally went off course and detonated in Moldova. Fortunately there were no casualties. Google appears to have removed this story from search results. Google only finds a completely different story from 31 October about debris from a Russian missile claimed to have been shot down by Ukraine's air defence landing on a Moldovan village.

Let's wait for an independent investigation and report into this tragic incident in Poland. All that I have heard reported is that it was a Russian-built missile. Both sides have used those. Guidance systems can malfunction.

 

[Coolcats]

Deliberate?

I blame the Media

 

[Guigsy]

The Polish Government are now confirming that it was probably a Ukrainian air defence missile that missed its target. Even so if the Russians weren’t targeting Cities nowhere near the ground fighting there would be no need to fire air defence missiles near the border.

Yeah. This isn't widely covered in the news. Cities like Kyiv, hundreds of miles from the front line, are being hit with salvos of cruise missiles on a frequent basis. Mostly targeted at civil infrastructure (which is still a war crime?) but some are hitting civilian targets that would be very hard to claim are military or misses.

 

[Wack]

Well. to avert WWIII they all would say that wouldn't they...

Exactly

Nato didn't want it to be a missile fired from Russia and now it's not, though why the Ukrainians would be using Russian made equipment so close to the Polish border when they have accurate western weapons I have no idea

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[Larrynwin]

Supplied by Australia

 

[Pausim]

Exactly

Nato didn't want it to be a missile fired from Russia and now it's not, though why the Ukrainians would be using Russian made equipment so close to the Polish border when they have accurate western weapons I have no idea

Because they don’t have enough of the more modern western weapons. These Russian S300 ground to air missiles were stockpiled throughout the former eastern block countries before the wall came down. Not only Ukraine but it’s near neighbours have them and they are far more readily available than the sophisticated western ones. I believe they are not only more available but the Ukrainians have been trained to use them.

The sophisticated stuff is in short supply and NATO is struggling to supply the Ukrainians despite all the good intentions.

Can the United States Do More for Ukrainian Air Defense?

Ukraine is pleading for air defense systems to protect against Russian missile and drone attacks, but the United States has little left to give and Europeans can provide only small numbers in the near term.

www.csis.org

 

[Guigsy]

Because they don’t have enough of the more modern western weapons. These Russian S300 ground to air missiles were stockpiled throughout the former eastern block countries before the wall came down. Not only Ukraine but it’s near neighbours have them and they are far more readily available than the sophisticated western ones. I believe they are not only more available but the Ukrainians have been trained to use them.

The sophisticated stuff is in short supply and NATO is struggling to supply the Ukrainians despite all the good intentions.

Can the United States Do More for Ukrainian Air Defense?

Ukraine is pleading for air defense systems to protect against Russian missile and drone attacks, but the United States has little left to give and Europeans can provide only small numbers in the near term.

www.csis.org

There's additional complications too. Ground to air missiles are often integrated with a friend-or-foe system or air strike control so you can tell whether a blip on the radar is a target or not. Integrating NATO and Soviet systems is not easy (although there are many examples of Ukraine doing some great hacks).

 

[SpeedyDux]

Because they don’t have enough of the more modern western weapons. These Russian S300 ground to air missiles were stockpiled throughout the former eastern block countries before the wall came down. Not only Ukraine but it’s near neighbours have them and they are far more readily available than the sophisticated western ones. I believe they are not only more available but the Ukrainians have been trained to use them.

The sophisticated stuff is in short supply and NATO is struggling to supply the Ukrainians despite all the good intentions.

Can the United States Do More for Ukrainian Air Defense?

Ukraine is pleading for air defense systems to protect against Russian missile and drone attacks, but the United States has little left to give and Europeans can provide only small numbers in the near term.

www.csis.org

The reality of the USA's ability to resupply both its military stockpile and supply Ukraine with defensive missiles:

 

[gus-lopez]

The Polish Government are now confirming that it was probably a Ukrainian air defence missile that missed its target. Even so if the Russians weren’t targeting Cities nowhere near the ground fighting there would be no need to fire air defence missiles near the border.

The fault & blame still lies solely with russia. Like the Arabs state, " if the foreigner was not here it could not have happened" If the russians weren't conducting an illegal war ,having invaded for the second time, a neighbouring country it would not have occurred. The russian invasion also has to be considered on exactly the same lines as the Japanese attack on pearl Harbour. An act of war without a declaration.

Exactly

Nato didn't want it to be a missile fired from Russia and now it's not, though why the Ukrainians would be using Russian made equipment so close to the Polish border when they have accurate western weapons I have no idea

All NATO should now do is issue a statement along the lines,
" To prevent further horrific accidents like yesterdays, & to ensure traceability, we will now be supplying Ukraine with all & every western missile system & will remove all outdated soviet era 'missile' tat. This will ensure that if there is any further occurrence culpability can be deemed within a short while & bllame apportined & retribution exacted if found necessary"

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[Pausim]

All NATO should now do is issue a statement along the lines,
" To prevent further horrific accidents like yesterdays, & to ensure traceability, we will now be supplying Ukraine with all & every western missile system & will remove all outdated soviet era 'missile' tat. This will ensure that if there is any further occurrence culpability can be deemed within a short while & bllame apportined & retribution exacted if found necessary"

NATO doesn’t have the ability to supply the missile systems needed so there is no point in making hollow threats. Putin would just call our bluff. NATO also has to keep its own defences fully supplied because if Putin spots a weakness there he might well take advantage of it.

 

[Guigsy]

NATO doesn’t have the ability to supply the missile systems needed so there is no point in making hollow threats. Putin would just call our bluff. NATO also has to keep its own defences fully supplied because if Putin spots a weakness there he might well take advantage of it.

There's a fair amount of evidence from a lot of different sources that heavily suggest... in terms of conventional warfare, this is all Russia has got. They don't have the hardware, they couldn't manage the logistics and they definitely don't have the troops.

They can and will still hold a long and bloody battle in Ukraine. And sure, they've got some top drawer stuff, but that would be a serious escalation that becomes unpredictable. But the chances that Russia are capable of rolling in to Poland or Finland is pretty much non existent now.

 

[rangi]

For starters the strike was in Poland not the Ukraine.

Yea it makes a big difference if it’s two missiles.

It’s been said the missile/s came from Belarous.

Why would WW111 start, everyone is under the impression that Putin would have the ability to strike back.

They’ve still got enough missiles to hit residential areas.

OOPS! Ukrainian air defence missile that over shot .

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"

 

[Silver-Fox]

OOPS! Ukrainian air defence missile that over shot .

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"

Still not confirmed investigations ongoing I believe.

 

[Wack]

OOPS! Ukrainian air defence missile that over shot .

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"

Is it, or is it that nobody wants a nuclear war and if Nato gets involved that's where it'll be heading so diplomacy has prevailed

I'd think Nato is happy to accept this version of events and the Kremlin will be happy they're not going to get invaded but worried the supply of western weapons to the Ukrainians will now step into overdrive

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[Greasy Chap Butty]

There's a fair amount of evidence from a lot of different sources that heavily suggest... in terms of conventional warfare, this is all Russia has got. They don't have the hardware, they couldn't manage the logistics and they definitely don't have the troops.

They can and will still hold a long and bloody battle in Ukraine. And sure, they've got some top drawer stuff, but that would be a serious escalation that becomes unpredictable. But the chances that Russia are capable of rolling in to Poland or Finland is pretty much non existent now.

True. But military equipment is also on long delivery times. Bristling with electronics. Current equipment may not be quick to replenish, and new programmes take time to come to fruition.
Also very important to remember that Russia isn't the main threat at the moment.
We need a strong well stocked military capability to keep China's ambitions in check.