Staying longer than 90 days in the EU (1 Viewer)

[gwyntaxi]

I wonder what would be the reaction if hoards of people from across the channel rocked up in blighty fully intent on overstaying their legal time, even perhaps making use of the NHS while they're here?

I don’t think there’d be any reaction at all to be honest, it seems that any Tom Dick or Harry can come here no problem, not the same in NZ, Australia or USA, seems like our doors are open to all and sundry.....

 

[DumfriesDik]

I think you might find that it’s 30days, that’s been the stipulation with the last 3 insurance companies I’ve been with...just sayin.

Always worth checking, and I checked again(!), with LV it is 60 days.

 

[63720]

We're with the C&MC insurers and have 90 days away cover.

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[Bolti]

Always worth checking, and I checked again(!), with LV it is 60 days.

A quick phone call to LV and you can get time away extended to end of policy. Our last extension cost £10.50 This would be from December till May. Need someone to pop in once a week, check around and move mail heating to be on 12 degrees or drained down.

 

[DumfriesDik]

A quick phone call to LV and you can get time away extended to end of policy. Our last extension cost £10.50 This would be from December till May. Need someone to pop in once a week, check around and move mail heating to be on 12 degrees or drained down.

Mine is up for renewal and it is something I may well enquire about. Thanks for the tip.

 

[slowdriver]

just an update

so i've had a long extensive insurance day today and LV have come up trumps again with regards to staying longer than 90 in the Schengen area accidentally or not, this is what they said

"As you have paid for 365 days motor travel insurance with 180 days overseas european cover, you can take the 180 days however you choose to, if Brexit allows you to say for a maximum of 90 days, and you stay over 90 days then LV will still cover you for up to and including 180 days regardless of any issues with overstaying the legal limit. You will be insured for the full 180 days regardless if you take them in 1's, 10's or 180.

Thats good to know

Apologies in advance if I am missing something here, but insurance cover is one thing and the rules covering access to the counties that are signatories of the Schengen Agreement, which define how long you can spend in the Schengen Area are entirely separate.
LV appear to be saying that they will insure you for 180 days irrespective of the fact that you have overstayed in the Schengen Area - which is welcome but otherwise unremarkable. However if you overstay the 90 days in 180 you won't need insurance, in the worst instance, and if your overstay was sufficiently egregious because you won't be allowed back into Schengen Area countries - any of them.

See here: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/consequences-of-overstaying-in-schengen-area/

"Germany is known to have the strictest immigration laws in the EU in this direction; while Greece is known for applying very high fines to those caught overstaying.

In general, all of the member states apply one of the following types of penalties for overstaying a Schengen visa or a permitted stay."

Deportation​

When you get caught staying illegally in Europe, you will totally be deported to your home country. The deportation procedures depend on your case and the country where you are caught. You may be deported immediately, within just a few hours or after a few days. On the other hand, if you get caught engaging in paid activity while overstaying your visa, or engaging in illegal activities, you will most possibly be taken into custody where you will wait for your trial. If you are found guilty then you will be held in prison or fined a high amount of money. Upon completing the punishment, you will then be deported to your home country and banned from entering the Schengen for a specific amount of time.

Deportation is always followed by another consequence. Usually, you will know about it before being deported, since you will receive the decision on your case. If you have just overstayed a few days, and you are lucky to be caught in one of the countries that go easy on overstayers, you may leave without another penalty.

Difficulties coming back to Schengen​

Even if you get back to your home country without any fine or ban, you should know that your overstaying will cause you problems the next time you attempt to enter the Schengen Zone. Immigration officers and border guards tend to be suspicious on people who overstay once, no matter in which country they were caught overstaying. Therefore, you will encounter difficulties in getting a Schengen visa or crossing the EU external borders.

Fine​

This is the most often penalty for overstaying a visa. Depending on the member state, the fees are applied differently. However, if you are caught after you have illegally remained in the Schengen for a longer time, aside from a fine being applied to you, you will also be banned from entering the Schengen Area for an appointed period of time, or even forever.

Ban​

Banning people from entering the Schengen is usually applied to those overstaying and working or engaging in other illegal activities. A person can be banned for a period of three years and more from entering any of the member states of the Schengen area.

No consequences​

There are also cases when people do not bear any consequence for overstaying their visas. If you are a child or a person that cannot travel without a caretaker because of an illness or disability, then most possibly you will not face any consequences for overstaying."

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[DumfriesDik]

Apologies in advance if I am missing something here, but insurance cover is one thing and the rules covering access to the counties that are signatories of the Schengen Agreement, which define how long you can spend in the Schengen Area are entirely separate.
LV appear to be saying that they will insure you for 180 days irrespective of the fact that you have overstayed in the Schengen Area - which is welcome but otherwise unremarkable. However if you overstay the 90 days in 180 you won't need insurance, in the worst instance, and if your overstay was sufficiently egregious because you won't be allowed back into Schengen Area countries - any of them.

Sorry, the message about house insurance is, don't forget about it! The 90 day rule is one thing, but remember, your house insurance may stipulate a much shorter time of being empty. I wasn't trying to marry the two together, just a heads up.

 

[slowdriver]

Yes I saw that, but the quote which I included was from Al n Val and said " ....LV have come up trumps again with regards to staying longer than 90 in the Schengen area...." which implies that it is possible to stay longer than 90 days in 180 in the Schengen zone. It is not.

 

[Al n Val]

Yes I saw that, but the quote which I included was from Al n Val and said " ....LV have come up trumps again with regards to staying longer than 90 in the Schengen area...." which implies that it is possible to stay longer than 90 days in 180 in the Schengen zone. It is not.

its implying nothing of the sort.

all they are saying, regarding of all the brexit sh!te people keep on dragging up, is that i'm covered for 365 days unless stipulated and the schengen area is covered.

Ask LV if you don't believe rather than implying things on here

Al

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[Dutch 68]

just an update

so i've had a long extensive insurance day today and LV have come up trumps again with regards to staying longer than 90 in the Schengen area accidentally or not, this is what they said

"As you have paid for 365 days motor travel insurance with 180 days overseas european cover, you can take the 180 days however you choose to, if Brexit allows you to say for a maximum of 90 days, and you stay over 90 days then LV will still cover you for up to and including 180 days regardless of any issues with overstaying the legal limit. You will be insured for the full 180 days regardless if you take them in 1's, 10's or 180.

Thats good to know

Do they offer more then the 180 days too if people wish?

 

[Al n Val]

Do they offer more then the 180 days too if people wish?

you'd have to ask them, possibly, but its not something i've personally asked them tbh, maybe as an addon I really don't know

 

[Dutch 68]

you'd have to ask them, possibly, but its not something i've personally asked them tbh, maybe as an addon I really don't know

Thank you, we are planning to only come back to the UK a couple of times a year so will be away for more then 180 days.

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[slowdriver]

its implying nothing of the sort.

all they are saying, regarding of all the brexit sh!te people keep on dragging up, is that i'm covered for 365 days unless stipulated and the schengen area is covered.

Ask LV if you don't believe rather than implying things on here

Al

As I said in my initial post "Apologies in advance if I am missing something here"
Clearly I was - I honestly thought the thread was about insurance related to staying more than 90/180 days in Europe.
Apologies, again, for the misunderstanding. I am very glad that you have found cover for 365 days. I shall do as you suggest ask LV if they can offer me a similar deal. I am currently covered (ish) by my Nationwide policy for only 31 days. As for Brexit sh!te, I wouldn't know. Things haven't changed much for me since I have never traveled in Europe for more than 90/180 days, so it's a non-issue.

 

[jumar]

Thank you, we are planning to only come back to the UK a couple of times a year so will be away for more then 180 days.

Of course those who have a Eurozone passport can do so...like you have..

 

[ceejayt]

Spain just announced they are looking at how they might extend the 90 day rule

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[Al n Val]

Spain just announced they are looking at how they might extend the 90 day rule

Where??

 

[Dutch 68]

Of course those who have a Eurozone passport can do so...like ou have..

maybe more people are looking into their family trees to see what’s available to them, the Irish for starters are inundated with applications…..

 

[Rob Hammond]

Where??

In the independent (Valencia) region.

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[busby]

Where??

It was in the Spanish news.Top guy in Valencia has been earwigging the Spanish Government Leader.BUSBY.

 

[Al n Val]

It was in the Spanish news.Top guy in Valencia has been earwigging the Spanish Government Leader.BUSBY.

ah!!
wasn’t this posted last week as well somewhere

tbh it’s a step in the right direction

 

[2657]

In the independent (Valencia) region.

Valencia is an autonomous community of Spain, as are other areas, it is not independent.

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[gus-lopez]

, the Irish for starters are inundated with applications…..

But for thise who have to use the 'foreign registration ' first they will have a long wait as they have been shut down since the start of the pandemic, & with no reopening date proposed at present, & it is only those who have a direct relative who are still being processed.

 

[Rob Hammond]

Valencia is an autonomous community of Spain, as are other areas, it is not independent.

The paper

 

[Coolcats]

I don’t think there’d be any reaction at all to be honest, it seems that any Tom Dick or Harry can come here no problem, not the same in NZ, Australia or USA, seems like our doors are open to all and sundry.....

Not true and never has been it’s often the press that makes it seem that way. A good friend fell in love with a Turkish woman who was working for him ( yes she had a long term work permit). They got married but to reside in the U.K. permanently it cost them around £10,000 and go through hoops of official paperwork. (This was about 15 years ago)

You to can reside in other countries should you choose but you will also have to go through the pain of following that countries process.

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[Coolcats]

Yes I saw that, but the quote which I included was from Al n Val and said " ....LV have come up trumps again with regards to staying longer than 90 in the Schengen area...." which implies that it is possible to stay longer than 90 days in 180 in the Schengen zone. It is not.

You can stay longer than 90 days if you have applied to stay longer or if you have a right to stay longer eg you have an eu passport…..

 

[nicholsong]

Apologies in advance if I am missing something here, but insurance cover is one thing and the rules covering access to the counties that are signatories of the Schengen Agreement, which define how long you can spend in the Schengen Area are entirely separate.
LV appear to be saying that they will insure you for 180 days irrespective of the fact that you have overstayed in the Schengen Area - which is welcome but otherwise unremarkable. However if you overstay the 90 days in 180 you won't need insurance, in the worst instance, and if your overstay was sufficiently egregious because you won't be allowed back into Schengen Area countries - any of them.

See here: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/consequences-of-overstaying-in-schengen-area/

"Germany is known to have the strictest immigration laws in the EU in this direction; while Greece is known for applying very high fines to those caught overstaying.

In general, all of the member states apply one of the following types of penalties for overstaying a Schengen visa or a permitted stay."

Deportation​

When you get caught staying illegally in Europe, you will totally be deported to your home country. The deportation procedures depend on your case and the country where you are caught. You may be deported immediately, within just a few hours or after a few days. On the other hand, if you get caught engaging in paid activity while overstaying your visa, or engaging in illegal activities, you will most possibly be taken into custody where you will wait for your trial. If you are found guilty then you will be held in prison or fined a high amount of money. Upon completing the punishment, you will then be deported to your home country and banned from entering the Schengen for a specific amount of time.

Deportation is always followed by another consequence. Usually, you will know about it before being deported, since you will receive the decision on your case. If you have just overstayed a few days, and you are lucky to be caught in one of the countries that go easy on overstayers, you may leave without another penalty.

Difficulties coming back to Schengen​

Even if you get back to your home country without any fine or ban, you should know that your overstaying will cause you problems the next time you attempt to enter the Schengen Zone. Immigration officers and border guards tend to be suspicious on people who overstay once, no matter in which country they were caught overstaying. Therefore, you will encounter difficulties in getting a Schengen visa or crossing the EU external borders.

Fine​

This is the most often penalty for overstaying a visa. Depending on the member state, the fees are applied differently. However, if you are caught after you have illegally remained in the Schengen for a longer time, aside from a fine being applied to you, you will also be banned from entering the Schengen Area for an appointed period of time, or even forever.

Ban​

Banning people from entering the Schengen is usually applied to those overstaying and working or engaging in other illegal activities. A person can be banned for a period of three years and more from entering any of the member states of the Schengen area.

No consequences​

There are also cases when people do not bear any consequence for overstaying their visas. If you are a child or a person that cannot travel without a caretaker because of an illness or disability, then most possibly you will not face any consequences for overstaying."

In that link it says Deportation 'to home country'. I wonder whether they mean country of citizenship or country of residence.?

In normal parlance 'home' would be where you live, so it would be 'residence', but without it being defined it is open to interpretation.

Geoff

 

[georgio]

Any country can issue visas however they wish for whoever they wish. The andalucia region of spain is considering this for obvious financial reasons. the first domino I would suggest.

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[EuroTrotters]

I wonder what would be the reaction if hoards of people from across the channel rocked up in blighty fully intent on overstaying their legal time, even perhaps making use of the NHS while they're here?

They do, as do people from outside Europe.

 

[Coolcats]

In that link it says Deportation 'to home country'. I wonder whether they mean country of citizenship or country of residence.?

In normal parlance 'home' would be where you live, so it would be 'residence', but without it being defined it is open to interpretation.

Geoff

If an American, residing in the UK committed a crime in an EU country I do believe you would be sent back to the US as that is where their 'home' country is, the individual could try and get back to the UK as a resident but it would be interesting to see what happened at customs

 

[jumar]

Any country can issue visas however they wish for whoever they wish. The andalucia region of spain is considering this for obvious financial reasons. the first domino I would suggest.

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