Solar Panel Blown off Roof (1 Viewer)

[fifthwheel]

Not much comfort for yourself but it does reinforce my argument to those that ridiculed me for screwing down as well as bonding with Sikaflex my solar panels mounts and satellite dish.

Ive been saying this for years on more than one forum, I didnt get much support either. john.

 

[chaser]

Ive been saying this for years on more than one forum, I didnt get much support either. john.

cant understand why anyone would rely on just adeasive, its only as good as the paint its stuck to, whats wrong with a screw through them as well

 

[scotjimland]

Very scary experience..

reminds me of the time the awning on my RV unfurled doing 60 mph on the M6 .. still gives me the shivers just thinking about it..


Just for info..

when I purchased my Alden AS 4 Auto Sat dish it was supplied with

Sika 252 + Sika Akitvator

There is no mechanical fixings or screws to hold it to the roof.. it has been on for over 3 years ..

this is the procedure, instructions by Alden


Sika 252 for fixing sat dish or solar panels.

1. Use a pencil to mark the place of the unit on the roof.
   
2. Sand the roof surface with sandpaper.
   
3. Clean each surface with a thinner.
   
4. Spread Sika-Aktivator on the sanded surface.
   Leave to dry for 15 to 20 minutes.
5. Glue generously the base of the unit with SikaFlex 252 then press slightly on the unit. Layer of glue: ± 3 mm.

1. To accelerate the polymerisation, spray a little water on the visible parts of the glue.

Leave to dry for 24 hours.

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[34127]

cant understand why anyone would rely on just adeasive, its only as good as the paint its stuck to, whats wrong with a screw through them as well

I found this on another forum a while back. It is a photo of a Fiat roof where the adhesive didn't fail but the paint came off the vehicle. Another argument for using screws or other mechanical fixing.

 

[Basildog]

Most are using the wrong products .
Modern adhesive should be more than capable of doing the job but as with everything it’s about doing everything by the manufacturers instructions and not guesswork or making do with some alcohol cleaner you think is ok .
Attention to detail with surface preparation and using the Aktivator and 252i

 

[jezport]

6 aluminium brackets, sikaflex and stainless steel screws in each bracket. Why risk killing someone?

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[34127]

6 aluminium brackets, sikaflex and stainless steel screws in each bracket. Why risk killing someone?

Also, if there was an incident that caused serious damage or harm then there would be an investigation to the cause and try to find if anyone had been negligent. If the panels were simply glued on and the joint failed then how hard would it be to prove you were not negligent and hence not responsible for the incident. I wouldn't like to be in that situation.

 

[Basildog]

6 aluminium brackets, sikaflex and stainless steel screws in each bracket. Why risk killing someone?

I would rather not bother with solar than drill holes in the roof but as I find solar pretty useless from September to April and don’t need it the rest of the year then maybe I won’t bother fitting any on this van

 

[scotjimland]

I found this on another forum a while back. It is a photo of a Fiat roof where the adhesive didn't fail but the paint came off the vehicle. Another argument for using screws or other mechanical fixing.

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we don't know what adhesive was used.. and clearly a bodge job

but in any case, clearly the preparation was poor.. or non existent, you can't bond onto paint, should have been sanded down to remove the paint. as per SIKA INSTRUCTIONS

with correct preparation, (as posted) and using SIKA 252 + Akitvator, it will never come off

there is no need to pepper your roof with screws..

If the adhesive fails due to using the incorrect Sika and or poor preparation, it's doubtful if a few self tapping screws will hold a heavy solar panel onto the roof.. IMV they will simply rip out ..

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[Larrynwin]

I would never rely on any adhesive alone without mechanical fixing in such a situation.
The consequences of this could have been fatal just for a few screws.

 

[Littlewheels]

This is why I prefer the SemiFlexible Panels ensure the roof is clean and wipe IPA to give correct base contact then the adhesive is applied to the solar in lines every 100/150mm with a break in the middle to allow any damp/condensation to breath.
Done correctly it’s impossible for wind to pass underneath,quality units can be stood on if really nessasary to get about on the roof if it’s really busy up there as many are,it’s a win win situation.

 

[Wissel]

Turning into an interesting thread this.

Myself, I used Sika 252 attached to 25mm aluminium box the full width of each panel, with the panels Sika'd above. I did this to give maximum adhesion and an air gap under the panels. Rock solid after 6 years.

On my next conversion I've decided to fit two lengths of aluminium L bracket the full length of my roof. These will be stuck with Sika 252 again - and rivited. They will be the correct distance apart to rivit solar panels between them.

I'll paint the visible parts of the brackets to match the van before fitting - should make the panels quite hidden (and still an air gap). Doing it this way in case a panel ever fails and needs replacing.

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[mfw]

Had sunstore solar fit a panel and they do it all the time they only used adhesive

 

[Lenny HB]

Nothing wrong with adhesive if the correct adhesive has been used correctly. Self-tappers into very thin alloy aren't going to do much.
If you are going to use screws you need to put a spreader plate on the inside of the roof and bolt though to that. How many of you who advocate the use of screws have done that?

Don't notice cars driving down the road with bits falling off them, most car front wings and various other bits are glued on with PU adhesive.

 

[maz]

The panels were fitted by me 13 months ago using Silkaflex 521. Both surfaces were well cleaned and keyed before fixing. The Silkaflex has parted from the plastic feet as a good amount of approx 6mm high Silkaflex remains on the GRP roof of the van.

Scary stuff! Thanks for letting us know. And kudos to you for putting your hand up and saying it was you who fitted the panels. I suspect some would have hidden behind the event happening to a ‘friend’.

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[fifthwheel]

Turning into an interesting thread this.

Myself, I used Sika 252 attached to 25mm aluminium box the full width of each panel, with the panels Sika'd above. I did this to give maximum adhesion and an air gap under the panels. Rock solid after 6 years.

On my next conversion I've decided to fit two lengths of aluminium L bracket the full length of my roof. These will be stuck with Sika 252 again - and rivited. They will be the correct distance apart to rivit solar panels between them.

I'll paint the visible parts of the brackets to match the van before fitting - should make the panels quite hidden (and still an air gap). Doing it this way in case a panel ever fails and needs replacing.

Wissel was it you I sold the Sika 252 to? john clark

 

[DBK]

Nothing wrong with adhesive if the correct adhesive has been used correctly. Self-tappers into very thin alloy aren't going to do much.
If you are going to use screws you need to put a spreader plate on the inside of the roof and bolt though to that. How many of you who advocate the use of screws have done that?

Don't notice cars driving down the road with bits falling off them, most car front wings and various other bits are glued on with PU adhesive.

Good point about self-tappers into thin aluminium. The roof of our PVC is steel of course and the screws grip very well.

 

[Steve and Denise]

Well I for one have been up and had a check of mine all joints seem to be good after 18 months but I will check them from time to time.

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[Larrynwin]

Good point about self-tappers into thin aluminium. The roof of our PVC is steel of course and the screws grip very well.

When using mechanical fixings ensure you find supporting roof framework if the surface of the roof is inadequate for a secure fixing.

 

[tonyidle]

we don't know what adhesive was used.. and clearly a bodge job

but in any case, clearly the preparation was poor.. or non existent, you can't bond onto paint, should have been sanded down to remove the paint. as per SIKA INSTRUCTIONS

with correct preparation, (as posted) and using SIKA 252 + Akitvator, it will never come off

there is no need to pepper your roof with screws..

If the adhesive fails due to using the incorrect Sika and or poor preparation, it's doubtful if a few self tapping screws will hold a heavy solar panel onto the roof.. IMV they will simply rip out ..

Of course they will - tiny self-tappers into a couple of mm of aluminium or GRP. Aeroplanes, cars, and wind generators, are being glued together these days some of which might be subject to higher stresses than a solar panel .

 

[tonyidle]

When using mechanical fixings ensure you find supporting roof framework if the surface of the roof is inadequate for a secure fixing.

You won't find that in a modern roof.

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[tonyidle]

Turning into an interesting thread this.

Myself, I used Sika 252 attached to 25mm aluminium box the full width of each panel, with the panels Sika'd above. I did this to give maximum adhesion and an air gap under the panels. Rock solid after 6 years.

On my next conversion I've decided to fit two lengths of aluminium L bracket the full length of my roof. These will be stuck with Sika 252 again - and rivited. They will be the correct distance apart to rivit solar panels between them.

I'll paint the visible parts of the brackets to match the van before fitting - should make the panels quite hidden (and still an air gap). Doing it this way in case a panel ever fails and needs replacing.

I do the same as you plan to do but I use Rivnuts & 5mm stainless screws. That way I can easily remove the panel without drilling rivets. (Belt & braces in case the connections to the panel fail.)

 

[Stroppy Bird]

Good point about self-tappers into thin aluminium. The roof of our PVC is steel of course and the screws grip very well.

How did you manage to check that the area the screws were going into were clear of any wiring?

 

[Wissel]

Wissel was it you I sold the Sika 252 to? john clark

Yep

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[jongood]

Many of us have motorhomes that are basically glued together! seems to be holding together so far.

better than a dreamliner anyway.
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[DBK]

How did you manage to check that the area the screws were going into were clear of any wiring?

A good question. All I can say is from what I could see of the underneath where the screws were to be put there was no wiring. The screws are right at the edge of the roof and I don't think any of the vehicle wiring runs along the inside of the roof, it mostly seems to come from the floor and rear corners.

 

[Larrynwin]

You won't find that in a modern roof.

Are you saying that on for instance my Hymer a class the roof has no internal framing, I am surprised .
My last RV in avatar had aluminium box section framing in walls and roof which I secured my solar panels to in addition to adhesive.

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[Basildog]

Are you saying that on for instance my Hymer a class the roof has no internal framing, I am surprised .
My last RV in avatar had aluminium box section framing in walls and roof which I secured my solar panels to in addition to adhesive.

If your HYMER is like our new one it’ll be made of old egg boxes stuck together with toffee and chocolate

 

[Larrynwin]

If your HYMER is like our new one it’ll be made of old egg boxes stuck together with toffee and chocolate

Wow egg boxes, I bow to your incredible knowledge

 

[Basildog]

Wow egg boxes, I bow to your incredible knowledge

The loading for a person going onto the roof is only 75kg so only midgets and anorexic’s

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