Single hardstanding bolthole - possible or not? (1 Viewer)

[movan]

So how do these people go on who have a large piece of land attached to their house, they put a shed on it for two sheep, and have a caravan at the side of the shed for 'when they are cutting the grass, dealing with the sheep, etc' .... THEY don't need any permission do they? I know a couple of people who do that, and there doesn't seem to be any checks made as to are the people in the van the ones living in the local house...

Succinctly put, what I mean is, there doesn't seem to be any checking up on vans in a field on their own... so it seems to me to be worth the risk.

 

[Wildman]

You need change of use, possibly for hardstandings, but you can use any land for a Certificated Location. Car park, rugby ground, race course, field orchard

You would only be able to allow people who are Funsters, but to be honest, your not oblidge to take anyone

Keep up Eddie, providing the licence issuer i.e. Fun, or MCC do not restrict use ANYONE can use a CL, CS, CFL, obviously the big two restrict use but natural England after talks with DEFRA, determined it is a matter of choice for the issuing authority.

 

[movan]

My electric cost £35,000 just to bring into the orchard!

Crumbs.... is that because it is attached to your business? How did they justify that?

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[maz]

Could be a case for joining forces with another couple of people similarly inclined.

Good idea!

 

[chaser]

But maybe it's a viable option .........

I think we are straying from your op a bit here, in the beginning you wanted a bit of ground you could stay on occasionly for yourself only now we are getting into full blown sites with electric and all the trimmings, which I don't think you have much hope in getting, everyone around will be against it, as I said if you keep it simple and just do it , no one will say a word.

 

[Wildman]

So how do these people go on who have a large piece of land attached to their house, they put a shed on it for two sheep, and have a caravan at the side of the shed for 'when they are cutting the grass, dealing with the sheep, etc' .... THEY don't need any permission do they? I know a couple of people who do that, and there doesn't seem to be any checks made as to are the people in the van the ones living in the local house...

Succinctly put, what I mean is, there doesn't seem to be any checking up on vans in a field on their own... so it seems to me to be worth the risk.

They still need planning permission Joy most get it on agricultural grounds and limited to their use and lifetime It depends how many days a year it is occupied.
Caravan = non agricultural and requires (officially) a change of use just to park it there unless it is within the curtilage of your main house.

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[Judge Mental]

You just connect to one of them

ask the local tinkers..they will show you for a few pints

 

[pappajohn]

Sorry to disagree but as I have already said , in this village we have one transformer for about 20 houses and it comes past on 4 wires which is then joined to the houses randomly off the bottom one and one of the othersof them to each house

Agreed, but you still have a transformer in the substation reducing the voltage to 230v......the substation will receive between 11000 and 44000 volts as it will continue on to other substations.

The pole mounted transformers are for low demand areas....as i said ours only feeds two houses so a second purpose built substation would be both unneccesary and expensive.

It already comes from a substation locally but too far away to deliver 230v from there so its sent from the substation at a far higher voltage the reduced to 230v when it reaches our pole mounted transformer

 

[eddie]

Keep up Eddie, providing the licence issuer i.e. Fun, or MCC do not restrict use ANYONE can use a CL, CS, CFL, obviously the big two restrict use but natural England after talks with DEFRA, determined it is a matter of choice for the issuing authority.

We'd only want to use a CL with other "Funsters" though, wouldn't we Your right of course, I remember reading somthing along those lines.

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[maz]

If you go for a Fun CL your allowed up to five "members" vans at any one time and no "one" van is allowed to stay for more than 28 consequetive nights. So if you had a night away every no and again it is practically impossible to police for the local authority to be honest.

Also as I pointed out to a planning officer some years ago, if a motorhome leaves the site at 10.00pm on Thursday to go shopping at the Tesco's 24 hour supermarket, and comes back at 2.00am Friday morning, that legally would constitue leaving the site. The Act states nothing about being away from dusk to dawn.

All you would have to do is organise a dump and fresh water to comply with the Act and get Jim to make you a Motorhome Fun Certificated site.

I did hear that Jim is looking double the number of Fun CL's so now would be a good time

As it would be very much a do-it-yourself site , it would probably work best with just Funsters able to use it.

 

[pappajohn]

ask the local tinkers..they will show you for a few pints

Thought that was street lamp bases.

 

[eddie]

Crumbs.... is that because it is attached to your business? How did they justify that?

No sadly we needed a three phase supply to run 50 hook ups, and buildings, so it had to come across from Taunton racecourse across a couple of fields.

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[Wildman]

Could be a case for joining forces with another couple of people similarly inclined.

Not such a good idea as any one person could breach the regulations and stuff it up for everyone else, as soon a 2-3 vans pull on the locals will think it a gypsy encampment and go all out to have you moved on or at least watch to make sure no one overstays the 28 days, it is a minefield. Even agricultural use is only considered if you have the means of earning the minimum agricultural wage from the holding and these days that is deemed to be in excess of 40 acres to achieve it. You could always spend your cash on a small farm in Bulgaria and spend winters ther, its cheap as chips, hee hee.

 

[chaser]

So how do these people go on who have a large piece of land attached to their house, they put a shed on it for two sheep, and have a caravan at the side of the shed for 'when they are cutting the grass, dealing with the sheep, etc' .... THEY don't need any permission do they? I know a couple of people who do that, and there doesn't seem to be any checks made as to are the people in the van the ones living in the local house...

Succinctly put, what I mean is, there doesn't seem to be any checking up on vans in a field on their own... so it seems to me to be worth the risk.

My point entirely, I suppose it depends quite a bit where you intend having it, if it was round here , no one would ever bother about your van on a bit of ground if it wasn't there all the time but if you are near to atown or where there are lots of campsites, things would be very different.

 

[maz]

I think we are straying from your op a bit here, in the beginning you wanted a bit of ground you could stay on occasionly for yourself only now we are getting into full blown sites with electric and all the trimmings, which I don't think you have much hope in getting, everyone around will be against it, as I said if you keep it simple and just do it , no one will say a word.

Straying from the OP? - or lateral thinking to come up with a possible solution? A DIY Funster CL is hardly a 'full blown site with electric and all the trimmings'.

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[chaser]

Straying from the OP? - or lateral thinking to come up with a possible solution? A DIY Funster CL is hardly a 'full blown site with electric and all the trimmings'.

It is in the eyes of your possible neibours

 

[chaser]

Straying from the OP? - or lateral thinking to come up with a possible solution? A DIY Funster CL is hardly a 'full blown site with electric and all the trimmings'.

Not knocking your ideas , just my opinion

 

[chaser]

As I said earlier, a bloke has just done what you first suggested near here and he just gets on with it , no problem.

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[Barclaybasher]

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Sounds that a 'private' CL with named 'campers' (tenants) ?

If there were no buildings (sheds), extra cars etc and the 'campers' moved off from time to time using the CL as a 'home' base...................might work............as long as it looked like a CL


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[Puddleduck]

When we built this house we were warned by the planning officer that if we wanted a caravan (static or otherwise) on site to live in whilst we built we would need planning consent (some sort of temporary consent - can't remember exactly) but if we had similar as a temporary site office and it wasn't used as a residence no permission would be required (at this I had a very large wink) so to make sure the site office had a big sign with "SITE OFFICE" in the window. We weren't living on site so it didn't matter.

If someone objects you will probably have problems, if they don't, you won't. Planning officers generally have enough to do without looking for new work.

 

[Judge Mental]

solar panels and a back up genny

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[movan]

When we built this house we were warned by the planning officer that if we wanted a caravan (static or otherwise) on site to live in whilst we built we would need planning consent (some sort of temporary consent - can't remember exactly) but if we had similar as a temporary site office and it wasn't used as a residence no permission would be required (at this I had a very large wink) so to make sure the site office had a big sign with "SITE OFFICE" in the window. We weren't living on site so it didn't matter.

If someone objects you will probably have problems, if they don't, you won't. Planning officers generally have enough to do without looking for new work.

There you are Maz... just stick a SITE OFFICE sign in your window. Good luck. Hope you get sorted. x

 

[DBK]

Because the overhead supply will be 3phase

It will also probably, assuming it is on wooden poles, be something like 11,000 volts or more so connecting directly to your motorhome will go with a very large bang!

 

[JJ]

I can sell you a bit of land as a bolthole to put your van on...

Electricity could be set up on a solar system.

No one would worry about how many days you parked there as no one would know.

Problem is it isn't in Blighty but, as a bonus, you might have a ride on mower to play with!

(Funsters sometimes drop by to say "hello".)

JJ

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[movan]

I can sell you a bit of land as a bolthole to put your van on...

Electricity could be set up on a solar system.

No one would worry about how many days you parked there as no one would know.

Problem is it isn't in Blighty but, as a bonus, you might have a ride on mower to play with!

(Funsters sometimes drop by to say "hello".)

JJ

how much, please?

 

[Puddleduck]

There you are Maz... just stick a SITE OFFICE sign in your window. Good luck. Hope you get sorted. x

And "Temporary Structure" - would only work on a building site though.

 

[Jim]

A CL would work, and while you would have to move every 28 days the law does not state how long, in fact the law does not actually state that you cannot stay over 28 days. However all exempted organisations are asked to abide with Defra guidelines which stipulate the 28 days rule. When the act was written the exemptions were added for recreation rather than living on so they never thought to add a max stay to the act, so Defra by restricting it to 28 days doing so in the spirit of the act.

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[Barclaybasher]

A CL would work, and while you would have to move every 28 days the law does not state how long, in fact the law does not actually state that you cannot stay over 28 days. However all exempted organisations are asked to abide with Defra guidelines which stipulate the 28 days rule. When the act was written the exemptions were added for recreation rather than living on so they never thought to add a max stay to the act, so Defra by restricting it to 28 days doing so in the spirit of the act.

Would playing 'Musical Motorhomes' between the pitches be within the rules ?

 

[dabhand]

When I built my house had 2 caravans, a static and a motorhomes on it, no one took a blind bit of notice including the various planners and environment agency staff who were frequent visitors.

There are many answers to all of your questions Joy and most solutions will involve a considerable expense. Find the plot that you are interested in first and then do the sums. You might well be better off finding a cl in a location you fancy and doing a deal for extended stays.

 

[Jim]

Would playing 'Musical Motorhomes' between the pitches be within the rules ?

Thing is, if the council or Defra think your taking the pee they will take action. CLs are for recreation. If the vans have their own veg patch then the issuing organisation might lose its ability to issue exemptions.

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[Wildman]

nope musical motorhomes would not work. Noting Jims post then of course raises another problem. That of actually getting a licence. If the issuing authority know what is going on then their licence is at risk so I assume a CFL would be out of the question, where to next. Like most things of this nature discussing them on an open forum effectively puts a stop to them.