Shower is useless????

[Robster100]

Just running Puriclean through the system, as I have no idea when the van was last used or cleaned out.

Tried the shower for the first time.

Well shower I think is not the right description, trickle, would be much more appropriate!

Even the sink in the bathroom, does not appear to have much in the way pf pressure, while the one in the kitchen is brilliant.

My old Swift caravan had a superb shower and it was at the other end of the van to the pump.

Is this considered normal on a Burstner or do I have a problem?

ALSO - My Swift had a low level water alarm on its internal tank, would I be correct in assuming the Burstner does not have a tank low or indeed waste tank full alarm?

Robin

 

[The Wino]

I would take the shower head off and see what the flows like then. The distance from the pump I don't think makes a big difference as water isn't compressible.

 

[David and Sally]

Our Burstner has a decent shower rate but the washroom taps is slow. Maybe the tap is deliberately slowed down?

The kitchen tap is good too.

 

[Newfie]

Good pressure on all taps & shower in our IXEO i728G

 

[Allanm]

Sounds like you may have a problem. Our Burstner has good water pressure, the shower is almost like our shower at home.
I would check the shower head to see if it has any limescale in it.
Not sure which model Burstner you have, different models and years may well have different water gauges and pumps, ours doesn’t have an alarm but it does have buttons to press to tell us how much water is in each tank.

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[Robster100]

Hmmm

Thanks for all the replies.

Engineer who called me is trying to tell me Burstner has a reputation for not having great pressure in the shower, at least on smaller vans!

I would have thought a 7.5M van would not be considered small?

I have an Ixeo Time Sovereign 745.

Really glad to hear that others do have good water pressure.

I took the shower head off and I can stop the water flow with my little finger!

Wife will go mad, as we only use our own facilities!

 

[TheBig1]

trace the pipes and look for a kink or restriction

 

[tonyidle]

Leave white vinegar in the system overnight. Is there any difference between Hot & Cold pressures? Is your system pressure or microswitch? Also remove and clean tap flow straighteners - they block easily with limescale.

 

[Sucoz]

We've had a problem with our (Burstner) shower since I drained down for the winter. An engineer told us that if you haven't used it in a while the system forgets so you have to keep running it, then stopping then try again.
Not sure if it's true, but tried yesterday, nothing at all!!, then noticed the dump valve was open ?

 

[Robster100]

Does this look right for normal flow?

Tap in central position and opened to maximum.

I could not upload an MOV file so hopefully you might be able to copy and paste the link?

https://macgb.ddns.net:5001/d/f/541904329794171586

Robin

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[TheBig1]

nowhere near full flow

 

[Robster100]

Thanks heavens for that, I was getting really worried!

 

[Charlie9038]

Sounds like a block or the pump might be faulty, or leaking

 

[TheBig1]

On some older vans with pipes joined by jubilee clips you find the low is restricted, but this doesn't happen with push fit joints

 

[Robster100]

Engineer coming out to see me Sunday morning!

We will see what happens then.

Thanks for all the feedback.

Robin

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[Allanm]

Can’t open that link, but it seems the engineer who called you used the universal salesman’s excuse ( they all do that!) Let us know how you get on on a Sunday. Water pressure at the shower should be as high as the other taps.

 

[Allanm]

So, just downloaded the mov file. Flow does seem a bit low but depends on the shower head and it’s design. Ours is a straight slim shower head with one straight line of holes. Can you try another shower head or make sure yours is limescale free. Can’t check my shower at the moment because the water tank is empty.

 

[Robster100]

Shower head is a round one, similar to the one I had in my caravan.

the engineer is an Independant one, although in this instance working for the person who sold me the van.

he said it all depended on the year of the van, some had better systems than others!

he di get me to turn off the water and try blowing through the shower hose, it should have pushed a little water through into the bathroom sink but while I could blow it a little it then seemed to ‘block up’!

oh well we will see on Sunday.

 

[Vipar]

Have you tried reverse pressure? Blowing one end then the other? It might mean undoing a clip or two.

 

[The Wino]

Shower head is a round one, similar to the one I had in my caravan.

the engineer is an Independant one, although in this instance working for the person who sold me the van.

he said it all depended on the year of the van, some had better systems than others!

he di get me to turn off the water and try blowing through the shower hose, it should have pushed a little water through into the bathroom sink but while I could blow it a little it then seemed to ‘block up’!

oh well we will see on Sunday.

I would get a cheap shower hose fron screwfix and try that as a first step or just try the one off the shower at home.

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[Podney]

It might be having a problem with its prostate gland,a well known cause of low pressure.

 

[TinaLes]

With the shower head taken off, there should be no restriction and the water flow rate at the shower position will be as good as you are going to get.
If you can trace the pipes up to the back off the shower head, and also the basin in the bathroom, and find no kinks on the pipe, or anything else restricting the pipes, then it will be the pump.
You have not mentioned whether you have a pressurised or non pressurised water system, if it a submersible pump placed in the storage tank, then it will be a low pressure system, relying on micro switches at each tap to turn the pump on/off.
If it has a Whale type pump,(yea the noisier type) then it will be a pressurised system, these have a higher flow rate in most cases, and also have a flow regulator at the pump to adjust the pressure, so check that also.
Good luck, dont be fobbed off with some are good some are not, change the pump for a higher pressure one if needed, having checked out the pipe runs of course, plus any in line filters.
LES

 

[Robster100]

Mine has a pump in the water tank, so sounds like a low pressure system based on the above description, but surly I should get more pressure than I am. :-(

 

[TheBig1]

Mine has a pump in the water tank, so sounds like a low pressure system based on the above description, but surly I should get more pressure than I am. :-(

if you were not getting full pressure in the kitchen sink, then I would say the pump is failing. If as I mentioned before your plumbing is hose and jubilee clips, with fittings restricting the flow, then the more fittings before the outlet at the shower, the slower it will flow

 

[Allanm]

Mine has a pump in the water tank, so sounds like a low pressure system based on the above description, but surly I should get more pressure than I am. :-(

You should be able to see wires going to the bases of the taps if the pump is micro switch controlled. Both high and low pressure systems can have a submersible pump.
can you get access to the pump? On mine, the tank is behind a service door with a screw off cap in the side giving access to clean the tank and service the pump.

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[Robster100]

That picture is almost identical to mine!

Yes I can see the pump through the service panel.

One of the things the engineer got me to do was to check to see if the pump had water coming out of a small hole at the top of it!

 

[tonyidle]

Mine has a pump in the water tank, so sounds like a low pressure system based on the above description, but surly I should get more pressure than I am. :-(

A submersible pump has a higher flow rate than one outside the tank. Both types:

Reich 19 Litre Per Minute Twin Submersible Water Pump

Reich 12V 19L/Min 1.5 BAR Twin Submersible Fresh Water Pump £46.99

Colour: Black
Power: 12V D.C.
Output: 55W
Size: Height: 19cm, Width: 8cm,
Hose connection: 3/8” (10mm)
Non Return Valve
Necessary tank opening: 80mm
19 litres per minute 1.4 BAR
Self priming
Automatic vent strainer

Brand	SHURflo £86.99
Series	Aqua King II Standard
Model	4139-111
Voltage	12V DC
Amps	Maximum: 6.5A
Fuse	7.5A Recommended
Flow Rate	11.35 LPM (3.0 GPM)
Cut Out Pressure	30 PSI / 2 Bar
Inlet / Outlet	1/2"-14 NPSM Male (13mm)
Self Primes up to	1.82 Metres (6 Feet)
Construction	Polypro Housings, EPDM Valves / Seals, Santoprene Draphragm, Stainless Steel Hardware

 

[jezport]

Mine has a pump in the water tank, so sounds like a low pressure system based on the above description, but surly I should get more pressure than I am. :-(

As others have said, if the flow is good at the kitchen sink there is nothing wrong with the pump. It has to be a restriction, so try to follow the hose routing. It both the hot and cold slow or just one ?

 

[Allanm]

This is my shower. It’s with the tap half open, otherwise it goes over the bowl edge!


This is our shower head

 

[Lenny HB]

Your pump is probably a Reich twin, they have 2 motors it's not uncommon for one motor to fail especially if they have been run dry for some time. Your symptoms looks like one motor has failed it can push water to the nearest outlet but the longer run to the shower it can't manage. I've had the same when one motor failed.

ALSO - My Swift had a low level water alarm on its internal tank, would I be correct in assuming the Burstner does not have a tank low or indeed waste tank full alarm?

Normally a flashing warning triangle on the control panel.

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