Scottish stay at home order ends Friday 2nd April (1 Viewer)

[Mountain man]

Reply received from Police Scotland copy of there email attached.

 

[marchie]

Reply received from Police Scotland copy of there email attached.View attachment 482446

Useful reply which skirts around the 'nothing to prohibit, nothing to permit' theme adroitly. Reassuring to know that the Police will not interfere as long as everyone is behaving responsibly. And finishing at 'following the guidelines at www.gov.scot' takes us back to the start of the thread, 'nothing to say I can't, nothing to say that I can'!

Steve

 

[fat haggis]

Another spanner in the works here
I contacted the local MSP. So properly from the horses mouth not a councillor ( only a few know )
Copy of email below


Good morning

Thank you for taking the time to contact Michael Russell MSP. Once travel is permitted within Scotland that would mark the re-opening of tourism on the mainland (island announcement still to be made).

Details here: https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-timetable-for-easing-restrictions/

It should be possible to use your motorhome after that date but you should check with the organisations of which you are a member as we can only advise, not tell you what to do.

Kind regards

Heather

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-----Original Message-----
From: sam mccaffery < pcsam@hotmail.co.uk>
Sent: 07 April 2021 12:51
To: Russell MW (Michael), MSP <Michael.Russell.msp@parliament.scot>
Subject: Overnight stays in a motorhome

Help please sir.
I’m a member of a popular motorhome fourms and a some member are stating it’s ok to camp out or overnight on Scotland as things stand April 2021 On level 4 restriction. Can you please clarify if it’s ok for Scottish people to over in on a motorhome or camper van in Scotland under level 4 as things stand of today’s date.
Than you for help on his matter
Sam Mccaffery. from taynuilt

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[Mountain man]

Very big spanner in the works .However we are not going anywhere till my girlfriend lets me know .

 

[fat haggis]

I’m in th same boat as you mate. One the boss lets me off the lead.

 

[Gellyneck]

One the boss lets me off the lead.

Hope she doesn't have to follow you around with a wee poly bag as well!

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[fat haggis]

Hope she doesn't have to follow you around with a wee poly bag as well!

No she makes sure I’m cleaned out before letting me go anywhere

 

[Gellyneck]

No she makes sure I’m cleaned out before letting me go anywhere

I'm dreading to ask how she does this!

 

[fat haggis]

I'm dreading to ask how she does this!

Empty’s my pockets of course

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[Gellyneck]

Empty’s my pockets of course

Think yourself lucky! Most guys get them emptied when they arrive home!

 

[marchie]

No she makes sure I’m cleaned out before letting me go anywhere

'No, fat haggis, she said,'Sit'; you seem to have added an extra letter ...'

Steve

 

[rnb100]

So, there you go. Police Scotland are unable to give clarification on Covid 19 guidelines set out by the Scottish government.

Unless issuing a covid fine.

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[irnbru]

Help please sir.
I’m a member of a popular motorhome fourms and a some member are stating it’s ok to camp out or overnight on Scotland as things stand April 2021 On level 4 restriction. Can you please clarify if it’s ok for Scottish people to over in on a motorhome or camper van in Scotland under level 4 as things stand of today’s date.
Than you for help on his matter
Sam Mccaffery. from taynuilt

I think we all know you can’t go around Scotland Willy nilly until the 26th April , stay local means staying in your own local authority area, that’s not what you asked.

 

[WillH]

Doesn't surprise me, if Police Scotland can't understand the rules then what chance Joe Public. As I previously stated there are too many, increasingly complex rules. Best advice is to stay home and stay local.

 

[marchie]

So, there you go. Police Scotland are unable to give clarification on Covid 19 guidelines set out by the Scottish government.

Unless issuing a covid fine.

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There is no clarification to be had! Nobody thought about m/homes when the Regs were updated. The timetable sets out the move from Stay Home to Stay Local and, on 26 April, allows campsites to reopen [2nd homeowners are allowed to stay overnight to prepare the property for letting or for maintenance, but vetoes 'using it as an excuse to take a holiday']. So, in the period 5 April to 25 April, the Regs make no mention of people staying overnight in motorhomes, it was never considered. Hence the Police advice, because th Regs are silent; there is neither express permission, nor express prohibition, so 'Park up, behave, and don't be like a bear and crap in the woods whilst you are away!

Steve

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[fat haggis]

I think we all know you can’t go around Scotland Willy nilly until the 26th April , stay local means staying in your own local authority area, that’s not what you asked.

Are you willing to publish your email you received from a councillor

 

[marchie]

Doesn't surprise me, if Police Scotland can't understand the rules then what chance Joe Public. As I previously stated there are too many, increasingly complex rules. Best advice is to stay home and stay local.

Police don't say that they don't understand the Regs. The Regs make no reference to being able to stay overnight, nor to being forbidden to do so. The Timetable sets out Stay at Home; Stay Local; Campsites Open. Never thought about motorhomers staying local AND staying overnight, so the Police cannot intervene unless you breach Parking Regs, cause environmental damage, or commit some other kind of Public Order offence

Steve

 

[rnb100]

Best advice is to stay home and stay local.

Stay home and stay local are two different things entirely. I started a thread recently about staying in the camper van on my own 'locally' and about drinking alcohol whilst parked up. Some good discussions were had and I received some excellent knowledge from the more seasoned on here regarding laws, etc. I decided to go for it and overnight on my own in the camper. I wasn't bothered by the cops on my overnight park up, but I was expecting a chap at the door.

It is a bit concerning though when you ask for clarification from the department that issue the fines and they cannot clarify anything. Personally, I think it'll be alright if you're not acting the fool and drawing attention to yourself. It would have been nice to have an email to show the cops if they did turn up though, but it's pretty poor when it's left to Joe Public to interpret the laws that could end up with them getting a fine.

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[fat haggis]

I think we all know you can’t go around Scotland Willy nilly until the 26th April , stay local means staying in your own local authority area, that’s not what you asked.

Thank you for taking the time to contact Michael Russell MSP. Once travel is permitted within Scotland that would mark the re-opening of tourism on the mainland (island announcement still to be made)


Tourism. open From the 26th
If you go to another part of Scotland and stay the night by any means. Your a tourist. So according to the rules no overnight tourists allowed until the 26 th.
that includes all of us.

 

[Grianan]

The guidelines are broad brush. They don’t consider every eventuality. For us, MHing is important but it affects a relatively small number of people. For the sake of 3 weeks we aren’t staying overnight but have no issue with anyone who does. Sadly we’re back at work by the 26th but I’m sure that was a deliberate decision by ScotGov. I think it’s unlikely the police will fine anyone - they only made 3 fines after the Edinburgh Meadows revelling.

 

[fat haggis]

I think we all know you can’t go around Scotland Willy nilly until the 26th April , stay local means staying in your own local authority area, that’s not what you asked.

I’m my question I asked about overnight in Scotland
where did you get the Willy bits from that question to the MSP and the MSP answer

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[irnbru]

Thank you for taking the time to contact Michael Russell MSP. Once travel is permitted within Scotland that would mark the re-opening of tourism on the mainland (island announcement still to be made)


Tourism. open From the 26th
If you go to another part of Scotland and stay the night by any means. Your a tourist. So according to the rules no overnight tourists allowed until the 26 th.
that includes all of us.

I’m my question I asked about overnight in Scotland
where did you get the Willy bits from that question to the MSP and the MSP answer

Because you already know you need to stay local, try reading the email you sent again.

I really give up with you.

 

[fat haggis]

Because you already know you need to stay local, try reading the email you sent again.

I really give up with you.

You really give up with me. Look at your self your bending rules to suit yourself. Staying local is not STAY ( overnight) as you believe is ok.
publish your full email with the councillor
Go on. That’s the one that you told everybody it was ok to overnight in Scotland including local.

and asking about staying in any part of Scotland includes Local without saying local

 

[irnbru]

You really give up with me. Look at your self your bending rules to suit yourself. Staying local is not STAY ( overnight) as you believe is ok.
publish your full email with the councillor
Go on. That’s the one that you told everybody it was ok to overnight in Scotland including local.

and asking about staying in any part of Scotland includes Local without saying local

Oh that old chestnut again. You’ve saw the full reply from the councillor. Asking about camping in Scotland is completely different from asking to park up within your own local authority.
Have you not noticed both my reply and Mountain man reply relate to staying local.

Now I will go back to ignoring you cos it’s like battering heads.

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[fat haggis]

Let’s see your full email. The post you put was a clear as mud.
I have posted a reply from and MSP your questioning my message to the MSP. Let’s see yours in full

 

[fat haggis]

COVID-19 RECOVERY PHASES IN SCOTLAND​

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WHAT YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW​

CAN I TRAVEL AROUND SCOTLAND FOR THE DAY?​

No. Although Scotland's lockdown has begun to ease, everyone is being asked to Stay Local. This means you should stick to around a 5-mile distance from your local council area. Travel and hospitality is expected to resume towards the end of April.

CAN I STAY OVERNIGHT ON A SHORT BREAK?​

No.

CAN I VISIT SCOTLAND FROM THE REST OF THE UK?​

No.

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No.

WHAT ARE THE MAIN RESTRICTIONS RIGHT NOW?​

Scotland's current Covid-19 advice is to Stay Local.
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[Ashley F]

This thread is going round in circles, just stay local given there doesn't appear to be any definitive answer that pleases everybody with regards to the rules. How about you do you, overnight or don't overnight between now and 26th. It's been such a rough year for everyone, why stress about what somebody else chooses to do if they believe they are still following the rules? Time to switch off imo, agree to disagree and all be thankful we are still alive and have mh adventures to look forward to, whenever we choose to begin them.

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[Grianan]

This thread is going round in circles, just stay local given there doesn't appear to be any definitive answer that pleases everybody with regards to the rules. How about you do you, overnight or don't overnight between now and 26th. It's been such a rough year for everyone, why stress about what somebody else chooses to do if they believe they are still following the rules? Time to switch off imo, agree to disagree and all be thankful we are still alive and have mh adventures to look forward to, whenever we choose to begin them.

Well said, live and let live so long as you do no one any harm.

 

[marchie]

Stay home and stay local are two different things entirely. I started a thread recently about staying in the camper van on my own 'locally' and about drinking alcohol whilst parked up. Some good discussions were had and I received some excellent knowledge from the more seasoned on here regarding laws, etc. I decided to go for it and overnight on my own in the camper. I wasn't bothered by the cops on my overnight park up, but I was expecting a chap at the door.

It is a bit concerning though when you ask for clarification from the department that issue the fines and they cannot clarify anything. Personally, I think it'll be alright if you're not acting the fool and drawing attention to yourself. It would have been nice to have an email to show the cops if they did turn up though, but it's pretty poor when it's left to Joe Public to interpret the laws that could end up with them getting a fine.

Neither the public nor the Police have to interpret the law. The Stay at Home, leading on to Stay Local, are Guidance, which give the flexibility to cover the numerous specific events that cannot be foreseen. The Scottish Government Timetable envisages that Stay Local will be succeeded on 26th April by the lifting of travel restrictions in Scotland and the opening of campsites, so we have 3 distinct phases, Home, Local, Overnight Stays. No thought was given to motorhomers 'Staying Local' also 'Staying Out' which is anticipated to happen on 26th April. So the Guidance is silent on overnight stays during the Stay Local phase. Which means there is nothing in writing to say that you can stay out overnight; but, equally, there is nothing to say that you cannot stay out overnight. Which is why the Police replies to M/Homers who have emailed enquiries to the Police say 'Park properly, no environmental damage' and follow the COVID Guidance [which say nothing about overnight stays during the 'Stay Local' phase!]

Steve

 

[bilM]

Just had a look at this it was in the P and J

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