Schengen Shufflers planning lengthier European trips

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An article in the Daily Telegraph today about motorhomers planning longer European ventures, taking account of the new restrictions (copied below):


Meet the Schengen Shufflers – the motorhomers planning lengthier European trips​


Myles and Karen Davies in front of campervan smiling

Myles and Karen Davies, avid campervanners who plan to travel across Europe this winter, despite new Brexit rules

In the post-Brexit world new restrictions mean that those intent on long cross-continent tours need to plan very cleverly


From the 18th-century Grand Tour to gap year interrailers and retired motorhomers heading for the southern European sun, lengthy trips across Europe are the ambition of many Britons. Yet the arrival of new post-Brexit travel regulations – which restrict British passport holders to visits in Schengen Area countries for just 90 days out of every 180 – has made such trips, if not impossible, more administratively tricky. Add to this picture the shifting traffic light system that has left popular holiday spots out of bounds, and travellers have been subject to a level of forward-planning that would bamboozle a top-flight City PA.

For post-Brexit regulations, some canny travellers have come up with a solution: the Schengen shuffle, well-planned itineraries that make the most of countries that are in Europe but not in the Schengen Area, and countries bordering Europe with favourable periods to remain for British passport holders, such as Morocco, the Ukraine and Turkey.

“This is an opportunity to see the fringe bits of Europe,” says Rupert Dillow, 30, a lawyer and keen traveller who’s planning a trip with his girlfriend this year, heading to countries outside the Schengen Area, including Ireland and Croatia, in his Mercedes camper van.

“It took some getting our head around where we can and can’t go,” says Dillow, who’s written an ebook guide on the new travel rules (travelonwards.co.uk/schengen-ebook). “There are EU countries that are within the Schengen Area, to which the new 90-day rule applies; there are countries not in the EU that are in Schengen such as Iceland, Norway and Switzerland; and there are countries in the EU that are outside Schengen where stays will not count towards the 90 day allowance, including Cyprus and Croatia.”

Myles and Karen Davies, 53 and 54, took to the road in their campervan, nicknamed Scoobie, in 2016, after giving up their corporate jobs on the Isle of Man. After a year back in Britain due to the pandemic, they will head to the continent again in winter.

“After some tantrums and tears we realised we can still travel for a year at a time in and around Europe if we plan on a spreadsheet and are very organised about where we will be and when”, says Karen. Departing in December, the couple will drive across France and through Spain, spending a few weeks there before heading to Morocco, where they are eligible for another three-month stay under the North African country’s visa-waiver for British passport holders. Karen adds that she and Myles will take care to ‘spend’ their 90-day Schengen allocation wisely, taking into account the need to travel back home in case of emergency.

Charlie Hutchinson, 32, a British military observer currently living in his motorhome in Ukraine plans to travel into Romania, reentering the Schengen Area in Hungary before heading west through Austria and into Switzerland. Hutchinson hopes that the equalising of travel regulations between favoured European holiday destinations, such as France and bordering countries such as Bulgaria and Ukraine, will encourage Britons to explore more untouristed spots: “the Carpathian Mountains for example, which are like the Alps that time forgot”.

The Davieses, who run the travel blog motoroaming.com, rave about Romania: “It’s like going back to a Thomas Hardy novel with these amazing painted monasteries and locals picturesquely scything grass.”


How to do it

The Schengen Area comprises 26 countries that have officially abolished all passports and all other types of border control at their mutual borders following a 1985 treaty, the Schengen Agreement, that sought to build a ‘Europe without borders’.

Most Schengen Area countries are EU members; there are however, countries that are not in the EU but are ‘associate’ members of Schengen for border and visa purposes, including Switzerland, Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein, and countries such as Ireland, which are in the EU but have opted out of Schengen. There are also ‘pending’ Schengen countries, including Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia, which are not currently in Schengen but are expected to join in the future and where alternative visa arrangements for Britons now apply.

From January 1, 2021, British passport holders can spend 90 days in each rolling 180-day period within the Schengen Area and from 2022 will need to register an electronic application called an Etias prior to entering the Schengen Area, costing around £5.50 per application; etias.com.

For more help and information, visit visa-calculator.com or a Schengen travel/visa calculator.
 

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It's not a new idea of course and I can't see many folk following this method. For example, how many will want to spend 3 months in Morocco? I'm not knocking the place, I've been there, but I like to tour around and visit new places. It will suit those happy to spend long periods in the same place but that isn't everyone.

But very happy to be shown I'm wrong. Time will tell over the next few years where are the best places to go to get around the restrictions on our travels.
 
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It's not a new idea of course and I can't see many folk following this method. For example, how many will want to spend 3 months in Morocco? I'm not knocking the place, I've been there, but I like to tour around and visit new places. It will suit those happy to spend long periods in the same place but that isn't everyone.

But very happy to be shown I'm wrong. Time will tell over the next few years where are the best places to go to get around the restrictions on our travels.
I'll just be Elaine's driver/gardener and accompany her on our trips to France & Spain. She has an Irish passport, and as long as we're together, I don't have to worry about the 90/180 Rule. In practice, we'll probably do a couple of 7 or 8 week trips in late Summer and then mid to late November so we won't go too heavy on the concession.

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I'll just be Elaine's driver/gardener and accompany her on our trips to France & Spain. She has an Irish passport, and as long as we're together, I don't have to worry about the 90/180 Rule. In practice, we'll probably do a couple of 7 or 8 week trips in late Summer and then mid to late November so we won't go too heavy on the concession.

Steve


Are you saying because she has an Irish passport your exempt from the 90/180 day rule with your British passport?
 
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I only asked because I've an Italian passport but my wife has only a British one so I was wondering if we could stay for longer than the 90days in the EU together.
 
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It's not a new idea of course and I can't see many folk following this method. For example, how many will want to spend 3 months in Morocco? I'm not knocking the place, I've been there, but I like to tour around and visit new places. It will suit those happy to spend long periods in the same place but that isn't everyone.

But very happy to be shown I'm wrong. Time will tell over the next few years where are the best places to go to get around the restrictions on our travels.
And of course we need to be allowed to travel there if the pandemic has not gone which at the moment looks unlikely.

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its interesting in that even before the B word people could travel to those places and did, so its not 'getting around the 90 day piece as what ever you do its still 90 days in 180.
 
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Are you saying because she has an Irish passport your exempt from the 90/180 day rule with your British passport?
Yes as long as she is with him
I only asked because I've an Italian passport but my wife has only a British one so I was wondering if we could stay for longer than the 90days in the EU together.
Yes.

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Are you saying because she has an Irish passport your exempt from the 90/180 day rule with your British passport?
Yes, as a spouse of an EU citizen. If I'm travelling with Elaine, then I don't have to worry. Equally, we can start off together, and spend x days without affecting my 90 days, and I could then swan off on my own and begin to use my 90 days, or any of several other combinations that the EU guide gives amongst the examples in the Border Officers' Manual (Sec 2.1.1 beginning at the foot of Page 17). On my mobile at present, so not able to quote more detail.

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Are you saying because she has an Irish passport your exempt from the 90/180 day rule with your British passport?

Yes as long as she is with him

Yes.

Yes, as a spouse of an EU citizen. If I'm travelling with Elaine, then I don't have to worry. Equally, we can start off together, and spend x days without affecting my 90 days, and I could then swan off on my own and begin to use my 90 days, or any of several other combinations that the EU guide gives amongst the examples in the Border Officers' Manual (Sec 2.1.1 beginning at the foot of Page 17). On my mobile at present, so not able to quote more detail.

Steve

Yes, That‘s correct. Swmbo can spend as much time in the EU as long as she’s with me (I have an Irish passport)

But let’s not tell her please 😉
 

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Yes, as a spouse of an EU citizen. If I'm travelling with Elaine, then I don't have to worry. Equally, we can start off together, and spend x days without affecting my 90 days, and I could then swan off on my own and begin to use my 90 days, or any of several other combinations that the EU guide gives amongst the examples in the Border Officers' Manual (Sec 2.1.1 beginning at the foot of Page 17). On my mobile at present, so not able to quote more detail.

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You best hope she don't leave you for someone with a mercedes.

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I only asked because I've an Italian passport but my wife has only a British one so I was wondering if we could stay for longer than the 90days in the EU together.
Apparently yes you can, I wouldn’t like to mislead you on this, it is only from what I’ve read from the Schengen topics, and they say that providing one of you has a E.U. passport the other is subject to the same time restrictions providing you are both travelling together, but I would look into it yourself and get first hand information of the actual ruling.
 
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We're doing a little under 7 months on the continent in 2022. We'll be spending 3 months in Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria before re-entering the Schengen area in Greece.

Prior to this we wouldn't have really considered spending so long in these counties, but the more we look into it, the more excited we're getting... about Croatia and Romania in particular.

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We're doing a little under 7 months on the continent in 2022. We'll be spending 3 months in Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria before re-entering the Schengen area in Greece.

Prior to this we wouldn't have really considered spending so long in these counties, but the more we look into it, the more excited we're getting... about Croatia and Romania in particular.
Sounds exciting to me too. Have you sorted some insurance?
 
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We'll be applying for Spain's digital nomad visa at some point after that trip, which will give us some extra time away (y)

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An article in the Daily Telegraph today about motorhomers planning longer European ventures, taking account of the new restrictions (copied below):


Meet the Schengen Shufflers – the motorhomers planning lengthier European trips​


Myles and Karen Davies in front of campervan smiling

Myles and Karen Davies, avid campervanners who plan to travel across Europe this winter, despite new Brexit rules

In the post-Brexit world new restrictions mean that those intent on long cross-continent tours need to plan very cleverly


From the 18th-century Grand Tour to gap year interrailers and retired motorhomers heading for the southern European sun, lengthy trips across Europe are the ambition of many Britons. Yet the arrival of new post-Brexit travel regulations – which restrict British passport holders to visits in Schengen Area countries for just 90 days out of every 180 – has made such trips, if not impossible, more administratively tricky. Add to this picture the shifting traffic light system that has left popular holiday spots out of bounds, and travellers have been subject to a level of forward-planning that would bamboozle a top-flight City PA.

For post-Brexit regulations, some canny travellers have come up with a solution: the Schengen shuffle, well-planned itineraries that make the most of countries that are in Europe but not in the Schengen Area, and countries bordering Europe with favourable periods to remain for British passport holders, such as Morocco, the Ukraine and Turkey.

“This is an opportunity to see the fringe bits of Europe,” says Rupert Dillow, 30, a lawyer and keen traveller who’s planning a trip with his girlfriend this year, heading to countries outside the Schengen Area, including Ireland and Croatia, in his Mercedes camper van.

“It took some getting our head around where we can and can’t go,” says Dillow, who’s written an ebook guide on the new travel rules (travelonwards.co.uk/schengen-ebook). “There are EU countries that are within the Schengen Area, to which the new 90-day rule applies; there are countries not in the EU that are in Schengen such as Iceland, Norway and Switzerland; and there are countries in the EU that are outside Schengen where stays will not count towards the 90 day allowance, including Cyprus and Croatia.”

Myles and Karen Davies, 53 and 54, took to the road in their campervan, nicknamed Scoobie, in 2016, after giving up their corporate jobs on the Isle of Man. After a year back in Britain due to the pandemic, they will head to the continent again in winter.

“After some tantrums and tears we realised we can still travel for a year at a time in and around Europe if we plan on a spreadsheet and are very organised about where we will be and when”, says Karen. Departing in December, the couple will drive across France and through Spain, spending a few weeks there before heading to Morocco, where they are eligible for another three-month stay under the North African country’s visa-waiver for British passport holders. Karen adds that she and Myles will take care to ‘spend’ their 90-day Schengen allocation wisely, taking into account the need to travel back home in case of emergency.

Charlie Hutchinson, 32, a British military observer currently living in his motorhome in Ukraine plans to travel into Romania, reentering the Schengen Area in Hungary before heading west through Austria and into Switzerland. Hutchinson hopes that the equalising of travel regulations between favoured European holiday destinations, such as France and bordering countries such as Bulgaria and Ukraine, will encourage Britons to explore more untouristed spots: “the Carpathian Mountains for example, which are like the Alps that time forgot”.

The Davieses, who run the travel blog motoroaming.com, rave about Romania: “It’s like going back to a Thomas Hardy novel with these amazing painted monasteries and locals picturesquely scything grass.”


How to do it

The Schengen Area comprises 26 countries that have officially abolished all passports and all other types of border control at their mutual borders following a 1985 treaty, the Schengen Agreement, that sought to build a ‘Europe without borders’.

Most Schengen Area countries are EU members; there are however, countries that are not in the EU but are ‘associate’ members of Schengen for border and visa purposes, including Switzerland, Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein, and countries such as Ireland, which are in the EU but have opted out of Schengen. There are also ‘pending’ Schengen countries, including Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia, which are not currently in Schengen but are expected to join in the future and where alternative visa arrangements for Britons now apply.

From January 1, 2021, British passport holders can spend 90 days in each rolling 180-day period within the Schengen Area and from 2022 will need to register an electronic application called an Etias prior to entering the Schengen Area, costing around £5.50 per application; etias.com.

For more help and information, visit visa-calculator.com or a Schengen travel/visa calculator.
I see a confusion between citizenship and residency on the Etias link
 
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Are you saying because she has an Irish passport your exempt from the 90/180 day rule with your British passport?
Yes. Whilst a non EU citizen travels together with his/her EU citizen spouse/family member, there is no use of the 90/180 days allowance. You can start a joint trip, then split up [e.g. for EU citizen to return to UK for a work commitment], and then the Third Country spouse begins to use his/her personal 90/180 days allowance. There are several examples of differing combinations of stay in the Border Guards Technical Manual, starting as the foot of Page 17.

EU Stay Border Guard Rules Manual Page 17 et seq

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