Schengen Fine

[flatpackchicken]

Copied from another site, Well here is the proof now coming out regarding getting fined for overstaying the 90 day limit !!!
A €198 fine but still to see proof of re entering Schengen !!!!!!

Overstaying 90 days.

I’d just like to say my partner got fines €198.00 for overstaying 11 days. As we were travelling, we were stopped at customs at Brittany Ferries and they ordered us to pay the fine otherwise we would be arrested. No ban from re entering, just the fine. I have EU residency so didn’t get fined. I don’t know if this amount would be higher the longer overstay. But be careful.

My personal oppinion is that if it was a guaranteed fine and no ban from re entering the Schengen I would overstay for the fine of €198 but I can’t guarantee you it won’t be higher. It’s just my

experience.

I’m not here for a debate but I seen a lot of comments saying their was no fine and they don’t check. So just wanted to let you know

PHOTO now added.

 

[bigtwin]

I’m not sure that there was any doubt about the potential consequences of over staying. However there has certainly been a significant, and vocal, minority that were/are dismissive of the likelihood of ever being taken to task for it.

Ian

 

[PaddyM]

Not bad £25 a day , makes you think “no sweat” if you stay over by a few days plus a nice little earner for the french .
In this digital high tech age it does make me laugh seeing customs officials stamping paper .

 

[Billylou]

I’m no Sherlock but it’s interesting that the stamp isnt as curved as the page.

 

[bigtwin]

I’m no Sherlock but it’s interesting that the stamp isnt as curved as the page.

I’m no cynic but it’s interesting that the cynics are questioning the authenticity of the image/story.

Ian

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[UptheGas]

Another Brexit benefit , they just keep rolling in

 

[AndyPK]

I am a cynic, and I think it’s very cynical of you being cynical of the cynics……or something like that……

 

[Billylou]

Never been called a cynic before but even I’d call myself a cynic for being so cynical.

 

[Tombola]

Thanks op. Although each country have different rules this was relating to France

What happens if I cannot help but overstay my 90 days in France?

We ask whether delays relating to illness or transport disruption will be taken into account by border control authorities for non EU visitors

www.connexionfrance.com

 

[raysalaugh]

I am a cynic, and I think it’s very cynical of you being cynical of the cynics……or something like that……

Can a sceptic get a look in?

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[EuroTrotters]

Copied from another site, Well here is the proof now coming out regarding getting fined for overstaying the 90 day limit !!!
A €198 fine but still to see proof of re entering Schengen !!!!!!

Overstaying 90 days.

I’d just like to say my partner got fines €198.00 for overstaying 11 days. As we were travelling, we were stopped at customs at Brittany Ferries and they ordered us to pay the fine otherwise we would be arrested. No ban from re entering, just the fine. I have EU residency so didn’t get fined. I don’t know if this amount would be higher the longer overstay. But be careful.

My personal oppinion is that if it was a guaranteed fine and no ban from re entering the Schengen I would overstay for the fine of €198 but I can’t guarantee you it won’t be higher. It’s just my View attachment 700456experience.

I’m not here for a debate but I seen a lot of comments saying their was no fine and they don’t check. So just wanted to let you know

PHOTO now added.

is that a straight continuous stay of 101 days or over a period of several visits?

 

[flatpackchicken]

is that a straight continuous stay of 101 days or over a period of several visits?

Straight off I think

 

[Carpmart]

Is this for overstaying 90 days in one territory (France in this instance) or for overstaying 90 days in the EU as a third country national? Both very different, would be good to know which?

 

[flatpackchicken]

It don’t say !!!!!

 

[Carpmart]

It don’t say !!!!!

Anyway of asking from the original source?

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[John Barrett]

Can a sceptic get a look in?

A sceptic questions, quite rightly. Unfortunately, a cynic only mocks...

 

[Verteuil Man]

Anyway of asking from the original source?

I would have thought that it is exceeding the 90 day limit on entry into the Shengan zone and leaving. Once in the zone movement between Countries is not monitored.

 

[Billylou]

Ok ok, I shouldn’t have been so cynical, perhaps my eyesight isn’t good enough to make such comments without first getting CSI on the case. I take it all back and apologies for all the cynicism. Now back to the thread.

 

[bigtwin]

Is this for overstaying 90 days in one territory (France in this instance) or for overstaying 90 days in the EU as a third country national? Both very different, would be good to know which?

It was a Schengen violation:

Ian

 

[nicholsong]

As I understand the penalties imposed for breaching the 90/180 days Schengen rules can be set by each individual country where the breach has been detected.

What a ' dog:s dinner' for what is supposed to be a near EU agreement!

There has been pressure in some countries, e.g. Spain to allow Brits to be free of 90/180. Spain could presumably set the fine of the breach of 90/180 at Euro 1 per day.

I would presume that all tourist dependent countries such as Greece and Croatia would act accordingly.

In which case the 90/180 rule would collapse.

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[The Wino]

As I understand the penalties imposed for breaching the 90/180 days Schengen rules can be set by each individual country where the breach has been detected.

What a ' dog:s dinner' for what is supposed to be a near EU agreement!

There has been pressure in some countries, e.g. Spain to allow Brits to be free of 90/180. Spain could presumably set the fine of the breach of 90/180 at Euro 1 per day.

I would presume that all tourist dependent countries such as Greece and Croatia would act accordingly.

In which case the 90/180 rule would collapse.

Only worth it for them if it's a significant part of their tourist income that's being affected. I think as a nation we're not as important to other countries economy as we like to think we are. That certainly seems to be the case the way the rules are being interpreted at the moment.

 

[nicholsong]

Only worth it for them if it's a significant part of their tourist income that's being affected. I think as a nation we're not as important to other countries economy as we like to think we are. That certainly seems to be the case the way the rules are being interpreted at the moment.

I understand that, but if the Tourism Minister and the Finance Minister got together to organise package for non- EU visitors with spend of over Euros 3000 per month and a fine of only Euro 1 per day they might be on a winner.

Not that I am trying to influence government policy in any country of course.

 

[The Wino]

I understand that, but if the Tourism Minister and the Finance Minister got together to organise package for non- EU visitors with spend of over Euros 3000 per month and a fine of only Euro 1 per day they might be on a winner.

Not that I am trying to influence government policy in any country of course.

I suspect a scheme like that ( presumably the 3000 euros a month would be per person) would be of little interest to most people reading this thread and hoping for a change in the rules. And as I say it would require some evidence that a significant number of people like that are being adversely affected at the moment.

 

[jongood]

Only worth it for them if it's a significant part of their tourist income that's being affected. I think as a nation we're not as important to other countries economy as we like to think we are. That certainly seems to be the case the way the rules are being interpreted at the moment.

Did you ever spend any part of winter in Spain pre Covid? (I know covid didnt cause this but that was the last opportunity for a representative view) Numbers of british on the costas were significant and not just motorhomers/tuggers. I do think that there is enough noise and the visa situation would be easy enough improve once other matters settle down.

 

[The Wino]

Did you ever spend any part of winter in Spain pre Covid? (I know covid didnt cause this but that was the last opportunity for a representative view) Numbers of british on the costas were significant and not just motorhomers/tuggers. I do think that there is enough noise and the visa situation would be easy enough improve once other matters settle down.

I think if things had settled down there might be a small chance but that's going to be years yet. Also there might well have been lots of Brits on the costas but once the long illegal stayers and stayers less than 90 days are taken out of the equation how many are affected that much by the 90 days? Do those who would have gone for say 120 days not go at all or go for 90 if so they're losing a small percentage of a small percentage. Do you think many of those long stay brits are spending a lot per month?

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[EuroTrotters]

I guess the fact that we are all willing to keep going back to Europe as much as we still can doesn’t help matters. Where else can we go as motorhomers?.

As a property owner in Spain. I often not only want to make the most of it. But have to go to it to deal with matters their. So I am as guilty as anyone else.

If we as holidaymakers, home owners, motorhomers etc were instead traveling outside of Schengen or staying at home, things might be a little different.

Resorts like Benidorm would struggle and the hotel & hospitality there would be the first to campaign for some kind of action to attract brits back.

It’s all very well some of us on here saying Spain can manage without brits and Benidorm was so much more civilised without the lager louts, saga louts, hens & stags. But the truth is, brits make up a very large percentage of the tourist income.

Costa del sol also gains a lot of income from British holiday makers and residents. As do man resorts on the costas, Spain and many other parts of Europe.

Brittany Ferries would not survive as a passenger service without British travellers.

 

[jongood]

I think if things had settled down there might be a small chance but that's going to be years yet. Also there might well have been lots of Brits on the costas but once the long illegal stayers and stayers less than 90 days are taken out of the equation how many are affected that much by the 90 days? Do those who would have gone for say 120 days not go at all or go for 90 if so they're losing a small percentage of a small percentage. Do you think many of those long stay brits are spending a lot per month?

IMO not everyone in campsites are tightwads, try wandering into the bars at Bonterra or any number of other sites and Brits make up a significant proportion, frequently going on to eat socially.

If you went to places like Benidorm etc, there were a lot more brits than motorhomes many of them finding the difference between spending their winters heating their homes in the North or living cheaply in the sun an easy decision to make. Yes there are/were undesirables over ther as well but every country has them - the London problem with Albanians being a case in point.

How long it takes to work its way to the top of the pile is a moot point, could be seen as an easy win for the hospitality sectors.

 

[Bramidan]

Hey people,”we” voted for it, rejoice.

 

[MattR]

In reality, the pressure from the hospitality industries will be determined by their losses of UK customers who would be spending more than 90 days in 180 in Europe.

Flights, ferries, hotels etc will continue to service the vast majority of customers from the UK and I suspect that the losses won't be sufficient to put pressure on their Governments.... Even the most popular winter destinations won't miss UK long stay visitors much - most provinces in Spain don't get UK tourists wanting to spend more than 3 months in the EU so it will come down to pressure from the likes of Malaga, Grenada, Almera and Alicante to try.

 

[Verteuil Man]

In reality, the pressure from the hospitality industries will be determined by their losses of UK customers who would be spending more than 90 days in 180 in Europe.

Flights, ferries, hotels etc will continue to service the vast majority of customers from the UK and I suspect that the losses won't be sufficient to put pressure on their Governments.... Even the most popular winter destinations won't miss UK long stay visitors much - most provinces in Spain don't get UK tourists wanting to spend more than 3 months in the EU so it will come down to pressure from the likes of Malaga, Grenada, Almera and Alicante to try.

The long stay Brits that go to Spain in winter try to spend as little as possible, hardly a great money spinner just keeping things ticking over. The argument for increasing the 90 day rule to boost tourism is a false one. Us snow birds do not go out there with our pockets bulging with euros, the Spanish and others make their money from the 2 weeks fly out, fly back tourists.

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