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Me and Mrs Emmit are going on a cruise!!! Its not for some time but as we will going in and out of Shengen countries with sea days in between it occurred to me that I will need assistance in working out just how many days have to be counted as part of the 90/180 rule.
Does anyone have any definitive knowledge as to the rules or have an address (old skool) where I could get the official answer.
 
Emmit said:
Me and Mrs Emmit are going on a cruise!!! Its not for some time but as we will going in and out of Shengen countries with sea days in between it occurred to me that I will need assistance in working out just how many days have to be counted as part of the 90/180 rule.
Does anyone have any definitive knowledge as to the rules or have an address (old skool) where I could get the official answer.
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From the the first port the ship stops at in the shengen zone until it docks back in the UK is counted as time in the zone.
 
I was looking at the rules a few months ago after chatting to a young couple from Ipswich on a small yatch heading down to Gibraltar, as I understand it, its pretty much the same rules as overland, as Lenny Lenny HB said and only if you go out of the zone the clock stops, apparently even if you don't leave the ship unfortunately it's still ticking. 🤔
I had a easy to understand link but can't find it now. :doh: Bob.
 
Somewhere on the journey it stops at Gib. I'm hoping that will(temporarily) stop the clock.
 
Emmit said:
Somewhere on the journey it stops at Gib. I'm hoping that will(temporarily) stop the clock.
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It will depend on how the cruise company deals with it. I would get confirmation from them.
 
A friend of mine who goes on a few cruises but only with P&O recommended that you join the P&O facebook group and ask. She says there is bound to be someone on there who knows or will make it their mission to find out. There are lots who do back to back cruises so it’s become relevant.

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Emmit said:
Somewhere on the journey it stops at Gib. I'm hoping that will(temporarily) stop the clock.
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It depends as part days count as a day in. So if you say docked late in the evening and then went ashore for a day and passed out of Schengen. Then went ashore the next day and back into Schengen as you were leaving in the night all the days would still count as being in Schengen.
Also I'm not sure but hasn't Gibraltar opted to in effect stay in Schengen to avoid border issues.
 
"Also I'm not sure but hasn't Gibraltar opted to in effect stay in Schengen to avoid border issues"

In that case I will lose a few more days!
 
Emmit said:
"Also I'm not sure but hasn't Gibraltar opted to in effect stay in Schengen to avoid border issues"

In that case I will lose a few more days!
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It could be worse you could have been flying to Gibraltar and starting your cruise there. If they are in Schengen your counting would in effect have started well before you entered any of the main part of Schengen and continued until you left Gibraltar!
 
RowleyBirkinQC said:
I think this video was shared on here recently, which may help…

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I haven't watched this video but the title riles me up the wrong way.

If videos like this were made to explain how to get round the UK immigration laws most on here would rightly be furious. But when we are doing it to EU countries seems it is ok for some reason?
 
The Wino said:
It depends as part days count as a day in. So if you say docked late in the evening and then went ashore for a day and passed out of Schengen. Then went ashore the next day and back into Schengen as you were leaving in the night all the days would still count as being in Schengen.
Also I'm not sure but hasn't Gibraltar opted to in effect stay in Schengen to avoid border issues.
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See my post #3 that is the info given by the cruise company for a cruise my mates going on next week.
He is most peeved had to knock a week off his trip to Spain in Jan because of it.

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Emmit said:
Somewhere on the journey it stops at Gib. I'm hoping that will(temporarily) stop the clock.
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Yes it will but visiting Gibraltar we only save a day or two, if it was me a cruise starting in Italy / Greece and heading to Croatia and Turkey would solve the problem. 😎 Bob.
 
bobandjanie said:
Yes it will but visiting Gibraltar we only save a day or two, if it was me a cruise starting in Italy / Greece and heading to Croatia and Turkey would solve the problem. 😎 Bob.
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It's not really a problem in the overall scheme of things.
Having a stop in Gib. (if it is Schengen) means that out of a 15 cruise, the only days that DON'T count are the three days it takes to get to the first port which is Vigo.
So that's 11/12 days out of my 90, but as said, no drama.

They might have rearranged the 90/180 rule by then but I'm not going to hold my breath.
 
Lenny HB said:
From the the first port the ship stops at in the shengen zone until it docks back in the UK is counted as time in the zone.
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Why till it docks back in UK? Can one not get an exit stamp on leaving the last port in Schengen. Entry to UK is not now recorded as exit from Schengen I presume.?

And if one does not get an exit stamp one is recorded as still in Schengen, which could mark one as an overstayer on next attempted entry to Schengen.

What is the answer?

Geoff
 
Emmit said:
Me and Mrs Emmit are going on a cruise!!! Its not for some time but as we will going in and out of Shengen countries with sea days in between it occurred to me that I will need assistance in working out just how many days have to be counted as part of the 90/180 rule.
Does anyone have any definitive knowledge as to the rules or have an address (old skool) where I could get the official answer.
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Recently returned from P&O cruise stopping off in Portugal, Spain, and most Canary Islands. Not once were we checked for Covid, or passport. So not sure how local foreign government could count the days in their country!
 
Emmit said:
"Also I'm not sure but hasn't Gibraltar opted to in effect stay in Schengen to avoid border issues" In that case I will lose a few more days!
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The clock stops when you arrive in Gib.
On a cruise however, the port visit is usually only for a few hours and so a clock stop might be irrelevant... unless perhaps if Gib is the first port of call from the uk and your passport has not been stamped (by Schengen authorities) when you arrive. In which case I assume that the first Schengen entry stamp and clock start will occur when you visit your first Schengen port.

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Emmit said:
Me and Mrs Emmit are going on a cruise!!! Its not for some time but as we will going in and out of Shengen countries with sea days in between it occurred to me that I will need assistance in working out just how many days have to be counted as part of the 90/180 rule.
Does anyone have any definitive knowledge as to the rules or have an address (old skool) where I could get the official answer.
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Do they check and stamp your passport each time you get off and back on the ship, if they do that will surely count for 1 day.
 
Mrs B had a trip to Greece booked in 2020 which she finally will take in June 22 due to COVID issues. As a result we have had to then think about our start date this year for our winter trip to Spain which will be for 90 in Schengen. Any delay through breakdown or COVID stuff at the back end of that winter 90 days will then jeapordise that Greece trip. There is no doubt that 90 out and 90 in is easy but when that is broken up some will get caught out. Realistically the 90 day ‘rule’ (it used to be 13 weeks) was established before significant numbers were affected by it and in the greater scheme of things it’s only tens of thousands, not millions that are ‘interested’ in getting a rule change and almost without exception that is Brits. A lot of anecdotal stuff of Antipodean backpackers overstaying and getting banned but most of them don’t care as they aren’t interested in coming back.
 
Targetpaster said:
Mrs B had a trip to Greece booked in 2020 which she finally will take in June 22 due to COVID issues. As a result we have had to then think about our start date this year for our winter trip to Spain which will be for 90 in Schengen. Any delay through breakdown or COVID stuff at the back end of that winter 90 days will then jeapordise that Greece trip. There is no doubt that 90 out and 90 in is easy but when that is broken up some will get caught out. Realistically the 90 day ‘rule’ (it used to be 13 weeks) was established before significant numbers were affected by it and in the greater scheme of things it’s only tens of thousands, not millions that are ‘interested’ in getting a rule change and almost without exception that is Brits. A lot of anecdotal stuff of Antipodean backpackers overstaying and getting banned but most of them don’t care as they aren’t interested in coming back.
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It's the sort of thing people will have to allow for it terms of staying right up to the 90 day limit. It's not a lot different to leaving plenty of time to get to the airport if you're late it being someone elses fault there was a jam on the motorway won't get you on the plane!

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You’re right of course. Delays like that though are normally measured in hours. COVID and breakdowns could be days or weeks.
 
Emmit said:
Me and Mrs Emmit are going on a cruise!!! Its not for some time but as we will going in and out of Shengen countries with sea days in between it occurred to me that I will need assistance in working out just how many days have to be counted as part of the 90/180 rule.
Does anyone have any definitive knowledge as to the rules or have an address (old skool) where I could get the official answer.
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I have just contacted P&O and asked the question. I hope to spend 90 in spring in MH, and cruise in August.
I can’t imaging that P&O will run a passport checking service, though the individual countries visited may decide to set up a control point. Had this set up when visiting Mumbai-India. Will post response from P&O when (if) received.
 
My wife will be going to Poland with my two daughters on the 20th for 3 days.
Will she get her passport stamped out of the UK and then back in at the UK airport?
As we hope to Go to Spain in January 🤠
 
laurieash said:
My wife will be going to Poland with my two daughters on the 20th for 3 days.
Will she get her passport stamped out of the UK and then back in at the UK airport?
As we hope to Go to Spain in January 🤠
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I think not, she she should get it stamped upon arrival in Poland and then stamped again upon departure from Poland, assuming she has a UK passport.

Re the cruises I find it hard to swallow from the above. When I was at sea, many years ago now, my ships were all UK registered and when onboard, anywhere in the world, you were effectively on UK soil when onboard.

I know this has benefits when one of our supernumerary passengers had gone ashore in Argentina and done something wrong. The police were refused access by the Captain to arrest him as they had no powers onboard. He stayed onboard until sailing.

So I would expect if this were the situation with your cruise ships registration you should be non Schengen whilst onboard?

An interesting one

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