Row of motorhomes Goring by Sea (1 Viewer)

[GJH]

your right to a point ( but our elected council members tell us at regular meetings when this subject always rears its ugly head that it is a Gipsy issue and their appears to be no real will or management structure to sort it out....Goring is six miles from us and people we known who live on the seafront are very displeased with the amount of MH's parking at the 'GAP '

If elected members claim that, challenge them to prove it. Put in a FoI request to the council asking (say) how many illegal traveller camps there have been in the area in the last 5 years and the cost of dealing with them.

As regards local residents being displeased, we have to realise that it isn't everyone who likes big white boxes. Local authorities have to balance the demands of all sections of the population. That's why I always urge people to identify a place where a positive case for establishing an aire can be made - i.e. the benefits can be shown to outweigh any drawbacks. It is much harder for an authority to argue against sound evidence for a specific place than it is for them to argue against a vague "we want an aire in the borough".

 

[jongood]

I'm not surprised you got nowhere. As far as the relevant legislation goes, NT and Visit Britain are no different from any other organisation which would need to obtain a licence and planning permission. The only organisations which can set up caravan sites (which is what aires are) without licences are the local authorities which are also licensing authorities.

As has been demonstrated many times, they are not going to commit to a potential £50K spend without somebody providing them with evidence that it would be money well spent. The NT and Visit Britain aren't going to provide that evidence and neither are the CC or any other private organisations which own and run caravan sites.

The only way to provide evidence (not just airy fairy "we spend money" claims) is for people (as individuals or together with like minded friends) to do it themselves. The fact that only a handful of people bother to do so is proof positive that there is no general demand for aires in the UK.

Sorry to pick this up so late Graham, but I am on hols.

I think your view would be more informed if you had experience of aires.

As soon as you mention them in UK, the council etc start thinking about planning permission and facilities for emptying toilets. This is not neccesary, in many cases little more than a section of car parks that are treated differently. having said that many do over here because they realise the benefit and want to serve their customers ( tax payers). However in UK I would suggest doing as the Italians and French actually where it is common for service staions to have borne facilities because they will levy a charge and want to sell the 100 litres of diesel.

Regarding planning - If this is neccesary than how are the councils that are managing, doing it, councils like Abingdon ( which I have used from your site, thanks) canterbury, The North Devon one, Northern Ireland, Alnwick etc.

And do the NT really need planning permission to let the occasional MH stay on their carparks?

sorry its a bit brief, back on Sunday, so pick it up then.

Jon

 

[maison]

Nimby's are always dissatisfied with something that has sod all to do with them. You have no right to a view under UK planning law and no houses behind that stretch anyway......

We have a great view"............

........of the massive Solar Farm that was built right next to our village. No more than 50 metres away from the nearest houses. Local Councillors passed the Planning Application having been told by Planning Officials that the Farm was not "overlooked".

All representations by local residents were ignored.

(Signed by a fully paid up member of the NIMBY Club).

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[GJH]

Sorry to pick this up so late Graham, but I am on hols.

No problem Jon. To address your points

I think your view would be more informed if you had experience of aires.
Does involvement in setting up the trial scheme at Guisborough count?

As soon as you mention them in UK, the council etc start thinking about planning permission and facilities for emptying toilets.
Planning permission is a fact of life in the UK and it applies to local authorities just as much as anyone else. LAs have no option but to comply with the requirements. As for toilet emptying, first of all there are no such facilities at St Annes or the Powys car parks for instance but secondly LAs have to take steps against emptying in inappropriate places (as mentioned on a few threads recently).

This is not neccesary, in many cases little more than a section of car parks that are treated differently. having said that many do over here because they realise the benefit and want to serve their customers ( tax payers).
That assumes that the car parks are suitable for use by large vehicles (and many of our older ones are not) and that usage for camping will not be detrimental to parking requirements of other users. That is why I say there is a need to identify specific places.

However in UK I would suggest doing as the Italians and French actually where it is common for service staions to have borne facilities because they will levy a charge and want to sell the 100 litres of diesel.
There is, as far as I know, no restriction on service stations offering facilities for fresh water supply and waste disposal. At least one motorway service area (I can't remember which) has disposal facilities but it comes down to a commercial decision by the private company operating the services.

Regarding planning - If this is neccesary than how are the councils that are managing, doing it, councils like Abingdon ( which I have used from your site, thanks) canterbury, The North Devon one, Northern Ireland, Alnwick etc.
With existing car parks it depends what consent was obtained when they were built. Abingdon and Torridge happened to include overnight but Torridge's near neighbour Teignbridge did not (which is why they had to suspend the facilities they once offered). Canterbury and the sites in Northern Ireland deliberately included overnight camping because they identified a demand at those specific sites. Northumberland Council do not have overnight camping at Alnwick or any of their car parks, only daytime parking at several.

And do the NT really need planning permission to let the occasional MH stay on their carparks?
Yes. The NT is not a caravan site licensing authority so the provisions of the 1960 Act apply to the NT like any other organisation.

 

[Judge Mental]

We have a great view"............

........of the massive Solar Farm that was built right next to our village. No more than 50 metres away from the nearest houses. Local Councillors passed the Planning Application having been told by Planning Officials that the Farm was not "overlooked".

All representations by local residents were ignored.

(Signed by a fully paid up member of the NIMBY Club).

I sympathize with that but not a few vans parking overnight, particularity if not outside your door.. when I was young my parents London house was compulsory purchased for a new development that never happened..houses are still there 40 years later. we were not the only victims of these sorts of planning decisions, its still happening now.....

Nimbys a very big club! If you decide to join you cant really complain of the lack of housing for your children/grand children who are priced out of the market because of the attitude..

 

[MR. FUSION]

We have a great view"............

........of the massive Solar Farm that was built right next to our village. No more than 50 metres away from the nearest houses. Local Councillors passed the Planning Application having been told by Planning Officials that the Farm was not "overlooked".

All representations by local residents were ignored.

(Signed by a fully paid up member of the NIMBY Club).

Welcome to the brave new world of energy company brown envelopes.......

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[Alan]

I was at Goring last week and there was lots of motorhomes parked on the seafront at near by Worthing, on the main part of the town next to the pier.I thought this council must be mh friendly but after having a closer look realised that they where travellers, with the usual clutter and prams blocking the pavement with motorhomes parked with there number plates removed or with cars parked tight up obscuring there plates. surely this is illegal and giving the rest of the community a bad name.
alan

 

[Abacist]

Surely its illegal for a motor vehicle to be on the highway without displaying a registration number or number plate?

 

[Tootles]

I was in goring by Sea in WorthingWorthing

Is it boring in Goring??
Just asking.........

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[GJH]

Welcome to the brave new world of energy company brown envelopes.......

Evidence?

 

[MR. FUSION]

Evidence?

seriously......you don't think they leave a public trail do you ???? That is the point of a brown paper envelope.

 

[GJH]

seriously......you don't think they leave a public trail do you ???? That is the point of a brown paper envelope.

You mean like people who make such allegations don't dare actually name names

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[MR. FUSION]

You mean like people who make such allegations don't dare actually name names

I would certainly be able to tell you how a well known wind developer manipulated the system with lies, bribes and slush funds. But what is the point, we killed their bogus application with one of the most sophisticated local residents campaigns and EIS responses seen in the UK. Those scammers won't be coming back.

 

[GJH]

I would certainly be able to tell you how a well known wind developer manipulated the system with lies, bribes and slush funds. But what is the point, we killed their bogus application with one of the most sophisticated local residents campaigns and EIS responses seen in the UK. Those scammers won't be coming back.

The point is that if you have evidence of criminal acts you should report it with a view to prosecution. That is far different from baseless innuendo.

 

[MR. FUSION]

The point is that if you have evidence of criminal acts you should report it with a view to prosecution. That is far different from baseless innuendo.

Really, I dont think you understand how the one party state of Scotland works.....

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[GJH]

Really, I dont think you understand how the one party state of Scotland works.....

You know, from previous posts, that I have no time for the SNP but that makes no difference. Either you have evidence, so should use it, or have no evidence, in which case such comments as "energy company brown envelopes" are baseless innuendo.

 

[Emmit]

Having seen the photo's of the 'van parked with their No. Plates removed it occurs to me that the Police in Sussex are failing in their duty.
There are sufficient powers for them to have the vehicles removed (suspicion alone that the vehicles are uninsured, untaxed, the list goes on)
I can almost see the Inspector in this town worrying himself to a standstill because the Police would ordinarily be responsible for paying the storage costs of unclaimed, impounded vehicles but in this case with the high value of each motorhome, that's unlikely to be a problem.
We had a word for that kind of behaviour in Leeds by the Police in this case.
They're Yitny. (I believe it's a yiddish word meaning cowardly)

 

[Judge Mental]

aren't the VIN numbers printed on plate behind the windscreen? maybe that's removed as well . I cant see a young coper wanting to engage with a group of travellers..They will talk him round in circles, if that don't work skin him alive and bury him....

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[Emmit]

Having "Been there, done that," this is how it works.
The young copper will go to his Boss and say, "This is the situation."
The boss SHOULD then put into place a plan that SHOULD involve all Specialists within the service (think SPG/Task Force types, CID, Traffic, vehicle examiners) and even include outside agencies ie Housing (if they take away the occupiers homes then they will need rehousing).

That's what should happen. If that isn't happening I refer my friend to my previous comments They're yitny.

 

[Judge Mental]

Having "Been there, done that," this is how it works.
The young copper will go to his Boss and say, "This is the situation."
The boss SHOULD then put into place a plan that SHOULD involve all Specialists within the service (think SPG/Task Force types, CID, Traffic, vehicle examiners) and even include outside agencies ie Housing (if they take away the occupiers homes then they will need rehousing).

That's what should happen. If that isn't happening I refer my friend to my previous comments They're yitny.

Jeez..no wonder our taxes so high!lol

complete overkill don't you think? We are the most heavily policed nation in Europe as it is and you are advocating the riot squad for overnight motorhome parking

CCTV was brought in to protect us? (joke) and all it is doing is being used to hammer citizens, for minor infringements. pensioners being criminalised! getting bashed with big fines for doing nothing..its an absolute disgrace.

 

[Emmit]

Jeez..no wonder our taxes so high!lol

complete overkill don't you think? We are the most heavily policed nation in Europe as it is and you are advocating the riot squad for overnight motorhome parking

CCTV was brought in to protect us? (joke) and all it is doing is being used to hammer citizens, for minor infringements. pensioners being criminalised! getting bashed with big fines for doing nothing..its an absolute disgrace.

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I would point out that there is no such thing as a Riot Squad, they don't wear Riot Helmets or wear Riot gear. The equipment that those members of the Police wear are there as protection. The 'squad's' I spoke of would be there as a reactionary presence to the situation that may arise.

If you would wish attend that situation without the necessary resources I would suggest that you have no appreciation for the danger that can occur when one is faced with a group of people who have shown that they have no regard for Law.
There would be little point in attempting to do something about what is clearly happening and then have to find the resources as the situation escalates.

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[Judge Mental]

travelling comunity get away with murder..everyone scared of them with good reason. not sure what this has got to do with overnighting in Worthing by a few oldies

 

[GJH]

complete overkill don't you think? We are the most heavily policed nation in Europe as it is and you are advocating the riot squad for overnight motorhome parking

I thought the post was in response to vehicles without number plates rather than on street camping.

travelling comunity get away with murder..everyone scared of them with good reason. not sure what this has got to do with overnighting in Worthing by a few oldies

Broken Link Removed perhaps?

 

[Judge Mental]

I thought the post was in response to vehicles without number plates rather than on street camping.

Broken Link Removed perhaps?

Your sarcasm just about sums you up....

If a tactic that works maybe we should all fit magnetic number plates..more civil disobedience I say

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[GJH]

Your sarcasm just about sums you up....

If a tactic that works maybe we should all fit magnetic number plates..more civil disobedience I say

Sarcasm? What's sarcastic about pointing out facts?

 

[Peter Sansom]

We went to Holland a couple of months ago for a fortnight. I like the Dutch, they're a nice bunch of people and the country is pleasant...but to be quite honest it isn't a patch on our own wee island for scenery and diversity. You can be driving through the Yorkshire Moors one day and up in the Highlands of Scotland the next. Plus we all drive on the correct side of the road...apart from the odd idiot or two!

 

[Judge Mental]

We went to Holland a couple of months ago for a fortnight. I like the Dutch, they're a nice bunch of people and the country is pleasant...but to be quite honest it isn't a patch on our own wee island for scenery and diversity. You can be driving through the Yorkshire Moors one day and up in the Highlands of Scotland the next. Plus we all drive on the correct side of the road...apart from the odd idiot or two!

You have just found out why the Dutch leave on mass at every opportunity.

It's only redeeming feature are its city's. Amsterdam amazing....

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[jongood]

Is this post hijack number 4 or 5?

Must be close to a record.