Road Tax reminder for PHGV

[Minxy]

Just had DVLA letter informing me that the road tax for my camper runs out on 31/3/19 (which I knew) but it's paid by DD so should renew automatically, however I wasn't aware that they still sent out reminders so assume it's because of the classification of our camper being a Private HGV and they're using it to draw our attention to the below requirement for a PHGV if it has anything other than user-accommodation 'goods' on board - it is shown in capitals on the letter:

This vehicle needs a goods vehicle certificate from 01/04/2021 if the vehicle is carrying goods/burden not needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle.​

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Just had DVLA letter informing me that the road tax for my camper runs out on 31/3/19 (which I knew) but it's paid by DD so should renew automatically, however I wasn't aware that they still sent out reminders so assume it's because of the classification of our camper being a Private HGV and they're using it to draw our attention to the below requirement for a PHGV if it has anything other than user-accommodation 'goods' on board - it is shown in capitals on the letter:

This vehicle needs a goods vehicle certificate from 01/04/2021 if the vehicle is carrying goods/burden not needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle.​

I think that was always the case...... but happy to be corrected by the usual suspects

 

[pappajohn]

I think that was always the case...... but happy to be corrected by the usual suspects

But why that particular date two years hence.
Maybe something's changing.....carrying bikes etc.
Bikes aren't a necessity to accommodation, they are a convenience.

 

[Pausim]

I think that was always the case...... but happy to be corrected by the usual suspects

That was also my understanding but the inclusion of a future date suggests either something has changed or it has something to do with the age of the vehicle. Perhaps 3 years from first registration?

Interesting.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

But why that particular date two years hence.
Maybe something's changing.....carrying bikes etc.
Bikes aren't a necessity to accommodation, they are a convenience.

Maybe they have made a few tweaks to their computer system so that a reminder is automatically generated. Certainly, I thought that the rules were always in force as people discussed the matter of MH garages.... a few years ago

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[Pausim]

I did read elsewhere that someone had been pulled up and reported for carrying a motocross bike in their garage. You might be able to argue a road registered motorcycle was needed to get day to day supplies associated with the accommodation but perhaps not an unregistered off road one. I believe that horse box owners are not allowed to claim that having living accommodation entitles them to the motorhome exemption, because a horse is not needed for accommodation purposes.

 

[pappajohn]

Certainly, I thought that the rules were always in force as people discussed the matter of MH garages

Agreed, but It just seems odd they should put a future date to it rather than a simple reminder of current rules.
I think something is about to change.

 

[pappajohn]

You might be able to argue a road registered motorcycle was needed to get day to day supplies associated with the accommodation

I'm sure the prosecution would counter argue you already had a motor vehicle to do that without the need to carry a motor bike even though it would mean breaking Camp.

Guess we'll have to wait a couple of years for a definative answer.

 

[TheBig1]

It is just a reminder that an MOT or a goods vehicle certificate is required at the 3rd year from new. It always was the same even though there is discussion of making the MOT 24 months at some stage

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Agreed, but It just seems odd they should put a future date to it rather than a simple reminder of current rules.
I think something is about to change.

You may well be right. My own guess is that it is a software upgrade or similar, since a major change such as this would have been in the press - at least we hope so.......

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[Minxy]

But why that particular date two years hence.

That was also my understanding but the inclusion of a future date suggests either something has changed or it has something to do with the age of the vehicle. Perhaps 3 years from first registration?

Probably because that's when it will require its first MOT so which one it needs will depend on how the vehicle is used.

Its the fact that I got a tax reminder that has perplexed me as I didn't think they did that now.

 

[tacr2man]

I get tax reminder for all sorts of different vehicles , including the scooter . @Minxy Girl

 

[nicholsong]

Year before last I forgot my VED renewal. By the time I got the fine it equated to the VED I had saved and DVLA just renewed it 5 months late, which happened to be 1st Jan - so now is easy to remember and I lost no money.

Geoff

 

[pappajohn]

Now nobody mentioned it was three years old on that date.
Misinformed through insufficient data.

 

[pappajohn]

since a major change such as this would have been in the press - at least we hope so.......

This is DVLA we're talking about.. . You don't think they would even consider making it public two years early.

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[Pausim]

Now nobody mentioned it was three years old on that date.
Misinformed through insufficient data.

It was suggested as possible explanation earlier.

 

[gus-lopez]

I did read elsewhere that someone had been pulled up and reported for carrying a motocross bike in their garage. You might be able to argue a road registered motorcycle was needed to get day to day supplies associated with the accommodation but perhaps not an unregistered off road one. I believe that horse box owners are not allowed to claim that having living accommodation entitles them to the motorhome exemption, because a horse is not needed for accommodation purposes.

No but if that applies then the vehicle would require a class 7 test yearly from new.

Probably because that's when it will require its first MOT so which one it needs will depend on how the vehicle is used.

If carrying a m/bike, car etc; which aren't classed as necessary for the use of the m/home then if honest it requires testing yearly from new. The same as it would if carrying goods for sale or trade goods

 

[Minxy]

No but if that applies then the vehicle would require a class 7 test yearly from new.

If carrying a m/bike, car etc; which aren't classed as necessary for the use of the m/home then if honest it requires testing yearly from new. The same as it would if carrying goods for sale or trade goods

They've just put it on my renewal as MOT reminder for the future (ie 2 year's time), so if that's the case surely they should have said it would be needed when 1 year old? Have the rules changed?

 

[Minxy]

Now nobody mentioned it was three years old on that date.
Misinformed through insufficient data.

You mean you FORGOT that I bought it new last year ... how could you!

 

[nicholsong]

No but if that applies then the vehicle would require a class 7 test yearly from new.

If carrying a m/bike, car etc; which aren't classed as necessary for the use of the m/home then if honest it requires testing yearly from new. The same as it would if carrying goods for sale or trade goods

Gus

Just assuming that a MH were deemed to be a 'Living Van' would that mean that on its V5C

D.5 [Body type] would have to be changed from Motor Caravan - and if so to what?
and
[X] From Private HGV changed to what?

If the answers to these questions are No, then the 'Living van ' category is purely for DVSA MOT Class.

Who thinks up these distinctions and how are they cross-referenced? After all DVSA and DVLA are both Government Agencies under the auspicies of the Department for Transport.

Geoff

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[Cheshirecat57]

Probably because that's when it will require its first MOT so which one it needs will depend on how the vehicle is used.

Its the fact that I got a tax reminder that has perplexed me as I didn't think they did that now.

Mel
We get tax reminders every month for various members of our 200 vehicle fleet

 

[Tude]

Just had email from dvla to say my new Dd has gone threw . Sorted for this yr again no other questions

 

[gus-lopez]

They've just put it on my renewal as MOT reminder for the future (ie 2 year's time), so if that's the case surely they should have said it would be needed when 1 year old? Have the rules changed?

No, always been the same but has always relied on people's honesty stating at the test what they use it for. Theoretically any MH carrying a car /mbike means it is being used for carrying goods as they are outside the needs of a motorhome.

Gus

Just assuming that a MH were deemed to be a 'Living Van' would that mean that on its V5C

D.5 [Body type] would have to be changed from Motor Caravan - and if so to what?
and
[X] From Private HGV changed to what?

If the answers to these questions are No, then the 'Living van ' category is purely for DVSA MOT Class.

Who thinks up these distinctions and how are they cross-referenced? After all DVSA and DVLA are both Government Agencies under the auspicies of the Department for Transport.

Geoff

The best person to answer this is @vwalan as he has one & I'm sure can explain it.
Iwas reading an excellent article on it all the other day & thought I had book marked it but don't appear to have done so.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

It is just a reminder that an MOT or a goods vehicle certificate is required at the 3rd year from new. It always was the same even though there is discussion of making the MOT 24 months at some stage

It was announced in the Budget several years ago the NEW car etc would need an MOT after 4 Years but it never happened.

 

[ChrisL]

Just had DVLA letter informing me that the road tax for my camper runs out on 31/3/19 (which I knew) but it's paid by DD so should renew automatically, however I wasn't aware that they still sent out reminders so assume it's because of the classification of our camper being a Private HGV and they're using it to draw our attention to the below requirement for a PHGV if it has anything other than user-accommodation 'goods' on board - it is shown in capitals on the letter:

This vehicle needs a goods vehicle certificate from 01/04/2021 if the vehicle is carrying goods/burden not needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle.​

The part in the italics refers to the definition of a motorhome as being a living van if it also carries goods/burden not needed by the user for accommodation as has been discussed on other posts several times however i'm not sure that the DVLA have got that definition correct, if you check the construction and use regs. the definition seems different to me.

living van. a vehicle used primarily as living accommodation by one or more persons, and which is not also used for the carriage of goods or burden which are not needed by such one or more persons for the purpose of their residence in the vehicle.

My emphasis on not,

Check the following link and scroll down the expressions until you get to Living van, and see what you think.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/made

I have not been able to find any later amendments to that part of the act.

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