Revolut... when did you buy shares?

Do you consider the valuation consistent with trading history, or divergence from Fiat currencies?
Watch this space, Amazon, PayPal, as yet small counties.
Portugal officially accepting Crypto currency
Fall in Afghanistan the Dollars perception of dominance, all effected, as of course will Sterling follow I guess.
Printing currency and rising personal debt, all has to be factored in.
What am I saying, well read UN agenda 21. Take a view as each of us will no doubt. If not only ones self to blame.
 
Do you consider the valuation consistent with trading history, or divergence from Fiat currencies?
Watch this space, Amazon, PayPal, as yet small counties.
Portugal officially accepting Crypto currency
Fall in Afghanistan the Dollars perception of dominance, all effected, as of course will Sterling follow I guess.
Printing currency and rising personal debt, all has to be factored in.
What am I saying, well read UN agenda 21. Take a view as each of us will no doubt. If not only ones self to blame.
Am I the only one who doesn't understand a word of that?
 
The valuation is from Seedrs and relates to the latest fund raising. Shares have regularly been traded on the Seedrs secondary market circa the official Seedrs valuation and frequently at a premium. Back in 2017 digital banking was in its infancy and the offers had a variety of unique features, like Revolut and its excellent currency trading for the average consumer. They will all have to become fully fledged banks, and Revolut with its global customer base will be in a strong position if it finally gets UK banking licences. There is talk of yet another 30x increase in valuation!
 
Just had a quick Google of this agenda 21 thing, never heard of it before, but what I can see it's lot of freeloading politicians just making things up as they go along ever since the 90s, just say anything they like then go back home and ignore it till the next jaunt out.
 
Do you consider the valuation consistent with trading history, or divergence from Fiat currencies?
Watch this space, Amazon, PayPal, as yet small counties.
Portugal officially accepting Crypto currency
Fall in Afghanistan the Dollars perception of dominance, all effected, as of course will Sterling follow I guess.
Printing currency and rising personal debt, all has to be factored in.
What am I saying, well read UN agenda 21. Take a view as each of us will no doubt. If not only ones self to blame.
So called Fiat currencies have operated since the early 1930s when countries began to abandon the Gold Standard. There is insufficient true money in the system to pay out all of the deposits held by savers, and this was a key reason for Alistair Darling's decision to bail out the Banks in 2008 and subsequent years, to stop 'Bank runs' which would have turned a financial crisis into a repeat of the Wall Street Crash, but on a much larger scale.

What has changed over the last 35 years is the Central Banks view of Monetary Theory & Practice; it is now referred to as Modern Monetary Theory and embraces concepts such as Quantitative Easing which were anathema to many Central Bankers as recently as 10 years ago.

Steve
 
Quantitative easing, that's just "printing money" the scourge of Wilson and Callaghan if I remember?
 
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So called Fiat currencies have operated since the early 1930s when countries began to abandon the Gold Standard. There is insufficient true money in the system to pay out all of the deposits held by savers, and this was a key reason for Alistair Darling's decision to bail out the Banks in 2008 and subsequent years, to stop 'Bank runs' which would have turned a financial crisis into a repeat of the Wall Street Crash, but on a much larger scale.

What has changed over the last 35 years is the Central Banks view of Monetary Theory & Practice; it is now referred to as Modern Monetary Theory and embraces concepts such as Quantitative Easing which were anathema to many Central Bankers as recently as 10 years ago.

Steve
Please explain the meaning of or define 'true money'

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Quantitative easing, that's just "printing money" the scourge of Wilson and Callaghan if I remember?
QE surfaced around 2011/12 in the aftermath of the Financial Crash, so well after Wilson & Callaghan, and Central Bank Controls plus Exchange Control Regulations, allied to Fixed Exchange Rates [Remember the £ devaluation from 2.8 to 2.4 against US$?], meant that QE was not possible. George Osborne was Chancellor when QE was implemented and there was great suspicion amongst Financial Journalists about a] the potential inflationary impact of 'printing' money [in fact it is created electronically so no trees are harmed in the process; very environmentally friendly ...]; and; b] whether the Treasury could take the interest derived from the initial QE issue as an income to offset against the borrowing the Government had created, whether this was remotely ethical. Recent Modern Monetary Theory takes a much more mature and relaxed view about the process and argues that a country can issue as much currency as it needs to finance its operational needs and can use interest rates to dampen any inflationary pressures. Professor Richard Murphy's regular blogs are really good reading [I'm a wow at parties, slightly less popular than Victoria Wood's man in the Fair Isle Jumper, standing alone on the landing, sipping Lambrusco, and bursting to met someone to whom he can explain how cost efficient it is, and how easy it is to do one's own conveyancing ... :LOL:]

Steve
 
Please explain the meaning of or define 'true money'
'True money' [not a strict economic term, but a handy reference phrase to describe the actual levelof cash and quasi cash deposits held by Banks] pre-dates Fiat currencies, or Fractional Reserve Banking Systems which rely upon the presence of Cash Deposits and other Eligible Reserve Assets [the formal ratios that were used to control the amounts of lending that Retail Banks could make whilst staying solvent were abandoned by the Bank of England in the mid 1980s] to expand lending, and in turn, economic activity. Originally, Bank Notes were originally Promissory Notes issued by Goldsmiths ['I promise to pay the Bearer on Demand the sum of Five pounds ...' on currency notes] to save merchants from having to heave gold around the place to pay bills, and the Goldsmith would exchange the Promissory Note for the equivalent value of gold originally deposited with him 'on demand', i.e. at the request of the Depositor].

The early Bankers were Italian [hence Lombard Street, London EC3 being the original heart of the English Banking operations] who traded from benches [IIRC, the Italian for bench is 'banco'] accepting deposits and making loans, relying upon the fact that depositors of gold would not require their deposits returned all at the same time, so they could make loans of the deposits to other merchants and charge a higher interest rate than that which they paid the depositor. When the early 'Bank runs' occurred and Depositors DID require the return of their deposits at the same time, it was impossible to meet those demands because the deposits had been loaned elsewhere, so the Depositors would close the Bank down by smashing the trading bench, or banco, and the term 'bankrupt' came into parlance.

Steve
 
I still think the concept of money is very strange.
Even based on the 'value' of gold or any other base it all depends on trust.
Swap a piece of paper for something tangible, a. strange transaction which we all accept.
 
I understand but how do you manage to obtain a cow if you don't have the 2 sheep that the guy wants in exchange for his cow? You have to run off and find someone who wants your 20 chickens in exchange for his 2 sheep. Or maybe he only wants to let you have one of his sheep .......
 
I understand but how do you manage to obtain a cow if you don't have the 2 sheep that the guy wants in exchange for his cow? You have to run off and find someone who wants your 20 chickens in exchange for his 2 sheep. Or maybe he only wants to let you have one of his sheep .......
That's why money was invented.
In certain communities a system of agreed values for services is used as a form of barter.
Unfortunately In the modern global consumer led society some form of accepted currency value is necessary.

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That's why money was invented.
In certain communities a system of agreed values for services is used as a form of barter.
Unfortunately In the modern global consumer led society some form of accepted currency value is necessary.
Exactly my point, you were the one who said "I still think the concept of money is very strange"
 
I still think the concept of money is very strange.
Even based on the 'value' of gold or any other base it all depends on trust.
Swap a piece of paper for something tangible, a. strange transaction which we all accept.
Even more bizarre is the practice which [apologies for the assumption here] you, I and millions of people in UK/almost globally accept of having a credit of £x hundreds/thousands appear in our Bank Accounts and regarding that as 'money' which we 'spend' by typing in figures via the online banking App to transfer 'money' to the Building Society, Local Council, supermarket etc to buy goods and services, without any 'true money' [which is not 'true money', because there are insufficient cash deposits to allow for the total savings to be paid back out to the Savers! But those Savers can't complain, because they transferred 'money' into the account electronically, originally ...

Small wonder that Apple, Google et al wanted to enter the Payments System [no longer 'Banking' 'cos they ain't Banks, they're richer than them ...

Steve
 
Even more bizarre is the practice which [apologies for the assumption here] you, I and millions of people in UK/almost globally accept of having a credit of £x hundreds/thousands appear in our Bank Accounts and regarding that as 'money' which we 'spend' by typing in figures via the online banking App to transfer 'money' to the Building Society, Local Council, supermarket etc to buy goods and services, without any 'true money' [which is not 'true money', because there are insufficient cash deposits to allow for the total savings to be paid back out to the Savers! But those Savers can't complain, because they transferred 'money' into the account electronically, originally ...

Small wonder that Apple, Google et al wanted to enter the Payments System [no longer 'Banking' 'cos they ain't Banks, they're richer than them ...

Steve
Yes an even stranger concept than money is real money and 'virtual' money but as long as it works and everybody accepts it.
Even stranger is the concept of gravity :giggle:
 
Yes an even stranger concept than money is real money and 'virtual' money but as long as it works and everybody accepts it.
Even stranger is the concept of gravity :giggle:
Now there I disagree strongly! Gravity is a myth; the earth just sucks ... :LOL:

Steve
 

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