Removed DPF? (1 Viewer)

[Hettie's Crew]

Just heard on the news that changes will be introduced next year regarding MOT's to include checking if the DPF is present and working.
I know these are expensive if they go wrong and quite a few people have removed them.

 

[Lenny HB]

They have been required to check they are there since I think 2014.

 

[Pausim]

I do wish people would stop trying to poison my grandchildren.

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[Hettie's Crew]

They have been required to check they are there since I think 2014.

Must be getting strict with the testers. I know someone who's involved in mot testing and he just ticketed his old Audi for years without looking at it. I spoke to him in his garage when he eventually had to do some work on it because the brakes and suspension where completely shot and he no longer worked in testing.
There seams to be too many loopholes in mot testing.

 

[tacr2man]

Must be getting strict with the testers. I know someone who's involved in mot testing and he just ticketed his old Audi for years without looking at it. I spoke to him in his garage when he eventually had to do some work on it because the brakes and suspension where completely shot and he no longer worked in testing.
There seams to be too many loopholes in mot testing.

You can give them a ring
DVSA
Telephone: 0300 123 9000
Monday to Friday, 7:30am to 6pm
ask for Testing intelligence unit

 

[lawry]

Having run an MOT testing station for the past for 40 years up until April this year and also as a tester unless Vosa has introduced the testing of the exhaust DPF pressures the Tester has no way of knowing or proving that the internals of the DPF have been removed unless of course it has been it has been removed completely Removing the DPF, its insides, will not show on the emissions check
Vosa are clamping down big time on stations that offer a DPF removal service as well as carrying out MOT testing as well as garages that are charging less than the Standard MOT price as this encourages garages to "look for"extra work.

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[MC 55 FUN]

It seems D.P.F. removal has been illegal for nearly 4 years.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/caradvice/honestjohn/10516106/Removal-of-a-DPF-is-illegal.html

 

[olley]

They can make it as hard as they like, nothing to stop you taking off after a test, and putting it back before, theirs even gizmos you can buy to fool your ecu that its still there.

 

[Ivory55]

There are people who would cheat and scheme what ever, but some people might just be skint and the price of a filter is to much. They could be normal law abiding citizens but now had a wage rise for years and the sole purpose of the car is to take them to work as public transport does not exist. It’s very easy to have a go at them when they probably do not want to be cheating any way, and if interest rates rise then there will be many more like that.

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[lawry]

They can make it as hard as they like, nothing to stop you taking off after a test, and putting it back before, theirs even gizmos you can buy to fool your ecu that its still there.

Some dodgy traders even remove/refit tyres before and after At my garage we would not do Trade MOT,s Vosa run a traffic light system whereby RED garages are inspected frequently by mystery shopper or audit and steps are taken to remove the station or tester from testing if persistent. AMBER are inspected less so, but are garages that have made mistakes in past or were red but making efforts to become Green which stations are of the standard which is accepted by Vosa and although not inspected as often are still mystery shopped.In general over the years, of course there are still
arseholes about, but there are far more trustworthy garages about then years gone by.

 

[tonka]

My view is that we should have something like Spain.
Dedicated MOT stations that just do the MOT and nothing else, that way the vehicle owner knows there is no "upselling" of any repairs taking place and in theory maybe DVSA can keep a better watch over the testing.
I know that a few people just use MOT stations ie local council just for that reason.

A dedicated MOT site could maybe also include the driving test centre and DVLA office..
Think thats a bit like the DVM is the USA ?
Sounds sensible to me.. add in a costa coffee or Mcdonalds and their rent could pay for pay for a chunk of it..

 

[olley]

My view is that we should have something like Spain.
Dedicated MOT stations that just do the MOT and nothing else, that way the vehicle owner knows there is no "upselling" of any repairs taking place and in theory maybe DVSA can keep a better watch over the testing.
I know that a few people just use MOT stations ie local council just for that reason.

A dedicated MOT site could maybe also include the driving test centre and DVLA office..
Think thats a bit like the DVM is the USA ?
Sounds sensible to me.. add in a costa coffee or Mcdonalds and their rent could pay for pay for a chunk of it..

They used to have them, I took my RV for an MOT at the same place as I passed my HGV test, all owned by DVLA, didn't do repairs only Mot's. Plenty all over the country, all now closed in the last few years.

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[lindyloot]

When I was in business in the trade with my late husband, we did not do mots but took them to an mot only station. If our customer wanted to to get their own mot done we would always advise then to go to an mot only test station , as they would not be looking for work. The problem with DPf is that people do not know how to look after them. Especially if they only do short stop start journeys. DPF filters need a good run at a constant speed for so many minutes to keep it clear so it can doo its job. Garages can do a forced regeneration using diagnostic equipment, but dont stand too near the exhaust as it gets very hot !

 

[pappajohn]

Many simply remove the dpf, smack the guts out of it, refit the empty casing and reprogram the ecu to delete the sensors..
To all intents the dpf is still there and unless the engine is badly tuned its hard to tell with exhaust gas analyser equipment as it should still be within limits.

 

[Infinity31]

It seems D.P.F. removal has been illegal for nearly 4 years.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/caradvice/honestjohn/10516106/Removal-of-a-DPF-is-illegal.html

Removal is not illegal but using a vehicle that has had the DPF removed is. I think that is about to change

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[lawry]

Interesting reading from VOSA (oops habit as its DVSA now It also further down the page gives testers comments`)https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.u...cting-the-environment-and-the-mots-integrity/

 

[TerryL]

I've never looked into the costs of replacing a filter but it occurs to me that all the effort isn't worth it. Surely it's more cost effective to treat the thing right to start with? You can tell, of course, I've never had to replace a filter!

 

[Lot lover]

My view is that we should have something like Spain.
Dedicated MOT stations that just do the MOT and nothing else, that way the vehicle owner knows there is no "upselling" of any repairs taking place and in theory maybe DVSA can keep a better watch over the testing.

Same in France. But GB learning from EU, unlikely.

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[lawry]

I've never looked into the costs of replacing a filter but it occurs to me that all the effort isn't worth it. Surely it's more cost effective to treat the thing right to start with? You can tell, of course, I've never had to replace a filter!

Spot on
And in the case of having to do short journeys only either a dam good thrash down the motorway occasionally,a forced re-gen by a trusted garage, or even a cleaning process that is now available.

 

[lindyloot]

The Citroen Peugeot ones when they first came out ( if memory serves me correct) were changed at the 75000 mile service. We found that people brought the car from new and then changed them before 75K, the second owners suddenly found themselves with a big bill and more often than not had not been told by the sales man about the filter. when we have taken the filter off ( Note NOT to remove it ) we have found that the mesh was cleanable with a blast from an airline. Then a top up with the dpf fluid and a blast up the A303 was all that was needed . They were expensive when first on the market and had started to come down in price when I had to close the business after my husband passed away.

 

[Ninjabob]

What about the majority of motorcycles that have had all the emission stuff removed and aftermarket catless exhausts fitted.

The trouble with the whole DPF issue is the system are not fit for purpose which is why manufacturers like AUDI don't warrant them from new.

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[Stealaway]

They were expensive when first on the market and had started to come down in price

I've seen them at £800 +

 

[gus-lopez]

My view is that we should have something like Spain.
Dedicated MOT stations that just do the MOT and nothing else, that way the vehicle owner knows there is no "upselling" of any repairs taking place and in theory maybe DVSA can keep a better watch over the testing.
I know that a few people just use MOT stations ie local council just for that reason.

A dedicated MOT site could maybe also include the driving test centre and DVLA office..
Think thats a bit like the DVM is the USA ?
Sounds sensible to me.. add in a costa coffee or Mcdonalds and their rent could pay for pay for a chunk of it..

The only problem with that is that most spaniards don't do anything, even servicing , to the vehicles until/unless it fails the itv.