Remap or not - pre adblue euro 6 Fiat

Folkranger

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Mine is a 2017 150bhp 2.3
Quite a few people with these, both on this site and elsewhere, find them either underpowered or too high geared. Mine certainly is compared to my previous 2014 150bhp Ducato which flew along motorways without the need to change down on hills.

Has anybody any experience or knowledge of remapping these particular engines? There are many companies listing them and showing expected performance figures.
 
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I've got a 2014 for my first and find it great most of the time

Would find it difficult to beat even when I drive all the sprinter and transits at work
 
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Folkranger said:
Mine is a 2017 150bhp 2.3
Quite a few people with these, both on this site and elsewhere, find them either underpowered or too high geared. Mine certainly is compared to my previous 2014 150bhp Ducato which flew along motorways without the need to change down on hills.

Has anybody any experience or knowledge of remapping these particular engines? There are many companies listing them and showing expected performance figures.
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Sorry to ask again but anybody........?
 
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If you are not happy with the power / torque you have , re map it or fit an inline box , I’ve had one on my Renault master van for 7 years , completely changed the van , so much nicer to drive , wouldn’t hesitate to have one again

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I think the op has particular concerns about his twin egr model, it is considerably more complex than engines before or after. And wishes to know if anyone with such a beast has had it mapped, so do I.
 
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I have been doing some looking around at remaps, not to gain any power particularly but to get rid of the egr valve before it gives problems and also the adblue as I use 10 ltrs every 1,000 miles and since the price of adblue has increased by around 300% in a year from 70 pence a litre to £2,29 a litre I begrudge buying it.☹️
 
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Some engines seem to be breaking when taken above about 450Nm torque so whichever map you get I'd be nervous going much higher than that on the 2.3
 
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I have seen companies like Celtic Tuning videos before, sods law cant find the 2.3 150BHP re-map video now, but they do use a rolling road, a 130BHP is on you tube, see below.

I think this guys re-map below, done using Quantum software offers a fair view of what to realistically expect, again he has the Fiat 130, not the 150, but worth a look, no mention of cost you may notice.
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Steve and Denise said:
I have been doing some looking around at remaps, not to gain any power particularly but to get rid of the egr valve before it gives problems and also the adblue as I use 10 ltrs every 1,000 miles and since the price of adblue has increased by around 300% in a year from 70 pence a litre to £2,29 a litre I begrudge buying it.☹️
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6,90€/ 5 litres here. I'd think I had a problem if it was using a litre per 100miles?https://www.oscaro.es/aditivo-desco...ewPTFHV5GawEAzYLCt3wV_jtskh-T4whoClJwQAvD_BwE

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Folkranger said:
Mine is a 2017 150bhp 2.3
Quite a few people with these, both on this site and elsewhere, find them either underpowered or too high geared. Mine certainly is compared to my previous 2014 150bhp Ducato which flew along motorways without the need to change down on hills.

Has anybody any experience or knowledge of remapping these particular engines? There are many companies listing them and showing expected performance figures.
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I have the same engine. I too find it is sluggish on hills, and needs a lower gear on any kind of hill. Just had it remapped by Celtic Tuning. Bhp quoted as up from 150 to 185, and torque up from 258 lb/ft to 310. Off to Scotland next week, so I will try to remember to post my impressions. Have done a couple of very short runs locally already and there does seem to be more puff in 5th and 6th.
 
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I've got the same engine. 150bhp on a 2020 registered van, but I think it's an older chassis as it's Euro6, but not ad-blue. I find that if I'm trying to be economical and drive at 60mph, every hill it flashes on the dash that I should be changing down. It's also not particularly good on fuel. I think I'm averaging about 28mpg.

Watching acropolis22 's feedback with interest.
 
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My 2019 150bhp Comfortmatic trundles along nicely with a toad on the back. Sometimes can’t decide which gear it wants to be in but so did my Hymer/Mercedes auto. With such a complex bit of machinery I will stick to “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”.

I also have a suspicion that upping the power might change the emissions and who knows what clever tests they might introduce into future MoTs.
 
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acropolis22 said:
Absolutely no idea. Why the question?
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The Euro 6 status is based on the Fiat testing and set up. If the ECU is logging changes and dates then perhaps some future MoT tests might bring the Euro 6 status into question. A couple of years back some truckers were found bypassing the AdBlue system and I remember they were devising new ways of catching them out. It seems possible with all the concerns about pollution that diesel engines are going to be further clamped down on in the future. I have no idea what the future has in store for us but I plan to keep my engine as compliant as possible just in case.
 
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Guigsy said:
I think I'm averaging about 28mpg.
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blimey I wish I could get near 28mpg, we have a 2019 Euro 6 in our adria sonic and that averages 11l per 100km, which using Google translates to about 21mpg, but the main point is that even when on a motorway crusing around 100-105 km/h I am always getting the change down notification flashing at me.

On The road trip we are on at the moment some of the hills through France and Italy have been very much down to 4th gear 🥴, so I was going to investigate about getting ours remapped when we get back to Spain.

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Quantum Remapped 2015 Fiat 130. Recently completed 1500 mile trip to Scotland and back with mixture of motorway up and the NC500. 31.3 mpg. Fully loaded every day with water and fuel. No complaints so far with remap.
 
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Pausim said:
My 2019 150bhp Comfortmatic trundles along nicely with a toad on the back. Sometimes can’t decide which gear it wants to be in but so did my Hymer/Mercedes auto. With such a complex bit of machinery I will stick to “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”.

I also have a suspicion that upping the power might change the emissions and who knows what clever tests they might introduce into future MoTs.
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I recently asked a local garage who are a Viezu approved workshop. Mine is comfortmatic and he said he wouldn't remap it for that reason.
 
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blimey I wish I could get near 28mpg, we have a 2019 Euro 6 in our adria sonic and that averages 11l per 100km, which using Google translates to about 21mpg, but the main point is that even when on a motorway crusing around 100-105 km/h I am always getting the change down notification flashing at me.

On The road trip we are on at the moment some of the hills through France and Italy have been very much down to 4th gear 🥴, so I was going to investigate about getting ours remapped when we get back to Spain.
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We have done more or less the same roads & have averaged 24mpg.
I agree with MartinandBev that down to forth gear sometimes, which isn’t great.
The trouble with generic maps is that, there is nothing to compare it to, or prove, unlike a rolling road before and after.
You have to take the man’s word for it. “ Yeah mate, it’s now 190bhp & 400ftlb of torque.”
In all honesty, it’s the torque curve that needs improving and broadening in these things. I need to see some real proof before throwing any money at some of these “Herbert’s”

Oh, how I miss the 3ltr lump! 😊
 
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MartinandBev said:
blimey I wish I could get near 28mpg, we have a 2019 Euro 6 in our adria sonic and that averages 11l per 100km, which using Google translates to about 21mpg, but the main point is that even when on a motorway crusing around 100-105 km/h I am always getting the change down notification flashing at me.

On The road trip we are on at the moment some of the hills through France and Italy have been very much down to 4th gear 🥴, so I was going to investigate about getting ours remapped when we get back to Spain.
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The good new is that 11litres per 100km is over 25mpg when you use imperial rather than us gal (y) 100km = 62miles, 1 gallon = 4.546 litres, 62/11x4.546 = 25.62mpg
 
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I doubt many tuners can identify, let alone accurately modify the fuel computer map so never trust the dash readout after a remap, always measure brim to brim to get an accurate guesstimate.

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dunnah01 said:
I doubt many tuners can identify, let alone accurately modify the fuel computer map so never trust the dash readout after a remap, always measure brim to brim to get an accurate guesstimate.
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That's true with chip tuners as they deliberately muck around the the signals that the ECU sent to the injectors. But ECU remaps should remain roughly as accurate as before.
 
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We have the Fiat 2.3 150hp 2019 Comformatic Burstner Iexo 736 4000 kg Fiat heavy chassis
Now at 15560 miles av 24.9 mpg
 
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Why does my tracker show my vans mileage at 16944 yet this van was delivered ( Brand new ) with 504 miles on the clock and now has covered15420 according to the speedo. When the van was delivered to us it was found to have badly repaired accident damage which no one knew anything about. It was bought (new) by me Sept 2019

Please this is about the mileage query only.
 
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Mine van is only 6m on a 3.5t chassis with a 700kg payload that we'd struggle to fill as there's no garage. So it's a light van. But I guess having the massive frontal area is the issue. It it's even a little bit windy, motorway trips normally mean 26-27mpg if I keep the cruise control on at 60mph. I get about 28mpg if it's still and not hilly. It improves considerably if there's a long section of 50mph roadworks.

I previously had a 2007 120bhp PVC which was a similar weight. I was expecting the 25% boost in power and torque with a wider band, along with it being a decade newer to mean it'd perform at least as well. It feels quite a lot more sluggish.
 
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Jackd said:
I agree with @MartinandBev that down to forth gear sometimes, which isn’t great.
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What is the problem with changing down to 4th gear? If you have dropped below the optimum point on the power curve surely that is the most efficient thing to do. An empty van might not need to change down but we are driving heavily loaded motor homes.
 
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